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#41 jim mk2

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Posted 20 July 2006 - 00:16 AM

QUOTE(Bryan @ Jul 18 2006, 23:34 ) View Post

Is Deliverance some sort of allegory about Vietnam?





Bingo, Bryan.

It's about fighting the unseen enemy.

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Posted 20 July 2006 - 07:15 AM

nah canoes and banjos - you just look to deep into these things

Someone was trying to explain to me how Apocalypse Now was some dark and deep journey into madness blah blah blah blah - and got quite upset when I pointed out the only madness was MArlon Brando's acting.

Its saving grace is possibly one of the best set piece war battles in film history.

which makes the whole film worthwhile

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Posted 20 July 2006 - 18:36 PM

QUOTE(jim mk2 @ Jul 20 2006, 01:16 ) View Post

Bingo, Bryan.

It's about fighting the unseen enemy.


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Posted 20 July 2006 - 18:42 PM

july 28th ..."cars" is out cant wait !!!!
lets see if this kids film can be compared with deliverence or a war film... sad.gif

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Posted 20 July 2006 - 19:05 PM

Honestly Abbs, don't be so uneducated. It's the story of a group of soulless machines, finding their way through friendship and loyalty, and learning to survive in a far off desert environment. It's obviously an allegory of the war in Iraq.

Then again it could just be the latest top animation from Pixar, jokes aimed at all ages and some cracking songs to boot, a treat for all the family.


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Posted 20 July 2006 - 19:24 PM

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Honestly Abbs, don't be so uneducated. It's the story of a group of soulless machines, finding their way through friendship and loyalty, and learning to survive in a far off desert environment. It's obviously an allegory of the war in Iraq.

Then again it could just be the latest top animation from Pixar, jokes aimed at all ages and some cracking songs to boot, a treat for all the family.


Have to disagree with you there AS, obviously it is talking about how we are becoming more dependant on technology and machines and that one day they will become more intelligent than us and will take over. Anything else would be plain silly.

I haven't seen deliverance so I can't really talk about it, but saying superman is an allegory is an insult to any good allegory or satire that has ever been done.
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Posted 20 July 2006 - 19:30 PM

QUOTE(adopted scouser @ Jul 20 2006, 20:05 ) View Post

Honestly Abbs, don't be so uneducated. It's the story of a group of soulless machines, finding their way through friendship and loyalty, and learning to survive in a far off desert environment. It's obviously an allegory of the war in Iraq.

Then again it could just be the latest top animation from Pixar, jokes aimed at all ages and some cracking songs to boot, a treat for all the family.


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Posted 20 July 2006 - 19:48 PM

Superman is a Christian allegory, no it's not, it's about a Jew fleeing his homeland, oh no it isn't it's about a wolly woofter in tights being out-and-proud, but remaining defiantly non-scene when he puts his glasses on.

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Posted 21 July 2006 - 09:01 AM

QUOTE(Eddie @ Jul 20 2006, 20:24 ) View Post

Have to disagree with you there AS, obviously it is talking about how we are becoming more dependant on technology and machines and that one day they will become more intelligent than us and will take over. Anything else would be plain silly.

I haven't seen deliverance so I can't really talk about it, but saying superman is an allegory is an insult to any good allegory or satire that has ever been done.


Have to agree with abbs!

the more I read your post the more I thin of you as a twa................
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Posted 21 July 2006 - 11:23 AM

The first part of that is a joke, if you don't like the second part then don't read a topic that is a movie discussion. As for the personal insults that you have now posted in more than one thread, please stop.
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Posted 21 July 2006 - 13:25 PM

Going back to Pirates of the Caribbean.

I thought it was a really good film.

A sort of Empire Strikes Back kinda film in the sense that it doesn't really end but still worth watching. Especially if you're gonna go see POTC 3.

I thought the problem with the 1st film was a weak story, but Johnny Depp stole the show.

In the 2nd film, the story is a lot better, but Johnny Depp goes missing at times, and is no longer a loveable rogue figure, in fact you start to dislike him.

Overall though 8 1/2 out of 10

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Posted 21 July 2006 - 14:51 PM

QUOTE(ABBEY @ Jul 20 2006, 19:42 ) View Post

july 28th ..."cars" is out cant wait !!!!
lets see if this kids film can be compared with deliverence or a war film... sad.gif



Cars is an ok film, but I enjoyed PotC2 better, except I felt the ending was a little on the weak side.

Not seen Superman Returns yet, but I have seen a clip where he stops a plane, looked fantastic. I'll probably watch that next week when I'm in Germany along with Nacho Libre, Click and Hard Candy.
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Posted 26 July 2006 - 16:58 PM

I was blown away by Superman. It was a little light on the action side but the whole package was utterly superb. Kate Bosworth-mmmmmmmmmmm.

As for the above discussion, I thought Apocalypse Now started well, however the last hour is stupidly over-wrought. Brando's acting is completely off the wall ("hrrmm...I swallowed a bug...") and the ending is rushed. Coppola was not happy with it but was bound by time and (over) budgetary restrictions.

Deliverance is a strange one. Great story, great acting but the whole things is annoyingly distant and minimalist. Even the infamous rape scene is sort of a non-event. And having seen it twice now, I still can't figure out why the guy falls out of the boat while going down the rapids. Can anyone tell me.

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Posted 26 July 2006 - 18:26 PM

QUOTE(Eddie @ Jul 21 2006, 12:23 ) View Post

As for the personal insults that you have now posted in more than one thread, please stop.


Just tell him he's an ignorant pig , Eddie .... huh.gif rolleyes.gif
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Posted 26 July 2006 - 21:38 PM

QUOTE(Rovermatt @ Jul 26 2006, 17:58 ) View Post

I still can't figure out why the guy falls out of the boat while going down the rapids. Can anyone tell me.


Its crucial to the plot?

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Posted 26 July 2006 - 21:51 PM

I don't so think but he's dead the next minute. What happened to him?
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Posted 27 July 2006 - 07:00 AM

Went to watch Superman last night and the most annoying thing wasnt the film (though I did get annoyed with that in places) it was the cinema I was in.

For starters it was like someones living room with about 30 seats in it. I was also sat right under the exit sign which lit me up like a star and also slap bang next to the in and out door.

The film started and then so did they. I kid you not every other minute this band of kids between 12 and 14 would run backwards and forwards in out of the door in pairs. Grrr I thought but then to make things worse a bloke around the middle of the room started shouting and swearing - we soon discovered that he had torrets so had to grin and bear it. Then half way through the film my attention was caught again due to some kids of about 8 or 9 who by this stage were bored out of their minds and so decided to start talking about power rangers or something and then when they got bored of that started have laser fights with their watches. I start thinking it couldnt get any worse and then guys who look after the place start running backwards and forwards up and down the aisle for some reason. Then one of these guys vanished and came back with a massive bag of crisps and sat on a little stool just behind me and it seemed instaed of eat them that he would just sit there and rustle the bag. Remeber that all the way through the film those girls had still been running backwards and forwards to the bog together.

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Posted 27 July 2006 - 07:24 AM

going to watch it next week, we get films late down here!!!

i thought the first one was a laugh and enjoyed it but some of the reports on here are suggesting that the 2nd movie is not as good as it's all hyped up to be.

i'll will report back after i seen it.





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Posted 28 July 2006 - 09:20 AM

QUOTE(Rovermatt @ Jul 26 2006, 22:51 ) View Post

I don't so think but he's dead the next minute. What happened to him?

Wasn't he shot? Although for that to be the case the redneck would have to be some marksman. Its been a couple of years since I've watched it but I remmeber the scene being pretty confusing. Even more bewildering was when I found out a long while after seeing the film was that the guy in question was a young-ish Ronny Cox! ohmy.gif

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Posted 28 July 2006 - 10:32 AM

Full of holes I suppose. How come he's powerless when stood on the new 'crystal creation', yet is strong enough to pick the bloody thing up and chuck into outer space ? Does it only affect him when he's above it ?

Still enjoyed it though, better than the pirates thingy.




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