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#121 47er

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Posted 07 April 2012 - 08:25 AM

You've made some great points recently but my beef is his treatment upon leaving. Even if Kean and Nelsen have fallen out, there should still be a statement of thanks from 'the club'.

What you need to be careful of is arguing speculation as fact. Who's to say Nelsen declared himself fit and was left out? What's happening with Salgado suggests it is likely but not certain.

Either way, what Kean does appear to be guilty of is ######-poor man-management skills.


There was never any suggestion from the club that Nelsen was remotely near making a come-back.He'd been "unavailable" for months. Yet Arry signed him and he was on the bench days later!

He played the 2nd game after his transfer! Isn't that proof enough? He was fit alright, the dopey owners wanted him out the door. Kean's position I've no idea about, just a yes-man anyway.

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Posted 07 April 2012 - 09:38 AM

Sams line up for his final game in charge against Bolton lost 2-1


Robinson, Salgado, Nelsen, Samba, Givet, Diouf, P Jones, Gamst, Emerton, Olsson, Roberts, Subs Bunn, Hanley, Hoilett, Dunn, Kalinic, M, Diouf Benjani

Kean's last line up against United lost 2-0

Robinson, Orr, Hanley, Dann, Olsson, Gamst, Nzonzi, Olsson, Lowe, Hoilett, Yakubu Subs Bunn Modeste, Formica, Rochina, Petrovic,Dunn, Henley.



Questions.


1. Which team would be more likely to win today?

2. Which team is worth more?

3. Which team if they played 38 games would finish higher (Using all 17 players) ?

4. Which squad with 7games to go would you rather have to try and keep you up,




Things to take into account.


1. Sams team is under the walkers trust with no investment

2. Kean's is under Venkys with more money made available to him in in 12 months than any previous manager the club has had.to tweek his squad

Makes you think - we get beat 2-1 by Bolton with both managers - and yet I presume you are saying we now have a far weaker team - does that make Kean a managerial master :-)

Only joking :lol:

To be fair - Kean only had money to spend by selling Jones - and the Samba money has fallen into a black hole. Obviously the money he took in hasn't been particularly well spent - but that seems to be a pattern at Rovers since Jack passed away - where when we have had money from sales we haven't necessarily spent it well.

#123 47er

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Posted 07 April 2012 - 10:56 AM

Makes you think - we get beat 2-1 by Bolton with both managers - and yet I presume you are saying we now have a far weaker team - does that make Kean a managerial master :-)

Only joking :lol:

To be fair - Kean only had money to spend by selling Jones - and the Samba money has fallen into a black hole. Obviously the money he took in hasn't been particularly well spent - but that seems to be a pattern at Rovers since Jack passed away - where when we have had money from sales we haven't necessarily spent it well.


Nothing quite matches the load of dross we've ended up with now. Given that we have "the new Rooney'"the New Dennis Irwin" and "the New Chris Smalling" we surely ought to be doing much better?

However, since they never play I can only assume they're being saved for the European Champions League.

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Posted 07 April 2012 - 11:59 AM

You are being deliberately disingenuous! First of all re Nelsen, his poor treatment lies in the fact that he was fit and never selected because the club wanted him out. Furthermore, they lied about it.

Secondly you are using the "broad-brush technique" in an attempt to demonstrate a status quo that never was.

2 examples of what you feel is poor conduct in the past (2 episodes separated by 3 to 4 years incidently) cannot be held to prove that nothing has changed and the club has always behaved in this way.

Do you really believe that? :wacko:

I believe we have poor owners but I also believe the past was not as rosy as is portrayed on here. Nelsen didn't get a thankyou is disappointing but isn't in the same league of callousness as Parkes' treatment, reading in the Sun he was sacked to make way for another of Hughes' flunky.

It's a sh!tty business and sh!tty things have always happened, even under Trust/Williams

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Posted 07 April 2012 - 12:32 PM

I believe we have poor owners but I also believe the past was not as rosy as is portrayed on here. Nelsen didn't get a thankyou is disappointing but isn't in the same league of callousness as Parkes' treatment, reading in the Sun he was sacked to make way for another of Hughes' flunky.

It's a sh!tty business and sh!tty things have always happened, even under Trust/Williams


Sounds like petty point-scoring to me, EiT.

I mean, what exactly is your point? Yes, the previous owners made some mistakes (I don't believe removing Parkes was one of them, btw), but you can't argue against their overall record. They oversaw our longest stay in the top-flight since 1936, with a respected and stable board-room which fostered a feeling of local pride and affinity both on and off the pitch. Of course, their eventual apathy for the club is what culminated in Venky's takeover in the first place but there is no comparison between the two parties. Venky's have been an unmitigated disaster from day one and the case of Nelsen is simply another black mark against their ownership.

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#126 47er

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Posted 07 April 2012 - 12:35 PM

I believe we have poor owners but I also believe the past was not as rosy as is portrayed on here. Nelsen didn't get a thankyou is disappointing but isn't in the same league of callousness as Parkes' treatment, reading in the Sun he was sacked to make way for another of Hughes' flunky.

It's a sh!tty business and sh!tty things have always happened, even under Trust/Williams


A bit more common now aren't they, these "######" things"?

Once again, the lack of a thank you note for Nelsen is not the issue, any more than his free transfer to Spurs. I've explained what I think its about, you've ignored it and I can't be bothered explaining it again.

Though bad things happened occasionally, we were renowned as a family club with a friendly and welcoming atmosphere where footballers really enjoyed their time at Ewood.

Big difference now. We don't even welcome the fans these days!

PS--I'm censored for quoting the word "######" but the original in EIT's post remains !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!TWICE :excl:Please explain :!:

Edited by 47er, 07 April 2012 - 13:20 PM.


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Posted 07 April 2012 - 13:18 PM

PS--I'm censored for quoting the word "######" but the original in EIT's post remains !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!TWICE :excl:Please explain :!:

Ironically it's the use of the character you used as an emoticon.

EiT's "!" has beaten the swear filter.

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Posted 07 April 2012 - 13:19 PM

Sounds like petty point-scoring to me, EiT.

I mean, what exactly is your point? Yes, the previous owners made some mistakes (I don't believe removing Parkes was one of them, btw), but you can't argue against their overall record. They oversaw our longest stay in the top-flight since 1936, with a respected and stable board-room which fostered a feeling of local pride and affinity both on and off the pitch. Of course, their eventual apathy for the club is what culminated in Venky's takeover in the first place but there is no comparison between the two parties. Venky's have been an unmitigated disaster from day one and the case of Nelsen is simply another black mark against their ownership.

Other than overall the Trust were marvelous and overall Venky's are awful, what exactly is your point? No matter, let's all just repeat it umpteen times a day. No wonder this messageboard is on its arse

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Posted 07 April 2012 - 13:22 PM

Ironically it's the use of the character you used as an emoticon.

EiT's "!" has beaten the swear filter.


Ah! I didn't notice! Time for an eye test!

Plaudits to EIT! (for that alone)

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Posted 07 April 2012 - 13:27 PM

Other than overall the Trust were marvelous and overall Venky's are awful, what exactly is your point? No matter, let's all just repeat it umpteen times a day. No wonder this messageboard is on its arse


This board is often a reflection of the club itself. In which case, why are you surprised?

Btw, concession accepted.

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Posted 07 April 2012 - 14:57 PM

No natural leaders and your keeper as captain, I'm staggered that "the warrior", as Kean describes him, isn't in the starting XI today.

Surely you need that heart when you are in a relegation battle?

He's quoted as saying there are no contractual style clauses but hasn't - as far as I can see - denied that his match fee is making him too expensive to be picked. (Edit: LT piece)

Or perhaps Kean really is that stupid...?

Edited by Stuart, 07 April 2012 - 15:00 PM.

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#132 BRFC1995

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Posted 07 April 2012 - 16:06 PM

He'll be welcomed like the second coming if he ever gets a game, has any player ever felt their importance rise so much without even playing.

How do we ever get Dann off the books, frightened schoolboy defending.

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Posted 07 April 2012 - 16:11 PM

Surely Givet has to be back in the team for Tueaday.
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Posted 07 April 2012 - 16:13 PM

Dann is Kean's guy, Givet is Allardyce's guy. Dann will start Tuesday.

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Posted 07 April 2012 - 16:14 PM

Exactly how I see it DE.

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Posted 07 April 2012 - 22:35 PM

My guess tomorrow now that he has 'recovered' is... unused substitute.


My guess for tuesday is again... unused substitute and probable inclusion of Marcus Olsson teaming up with martin on the left.

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 03:40 AM

(Please don't use that word again) the media. They don't care about us.

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 09:09 AM

I think there is more to this than meets the eye, as with most things Rovers these days.

Also seems that Martin Blackburn (The Sun) smells one big rat !

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 10:09 AM

My guess for tuesday is again... unused substitute and probable inclusion of Marcus Olsson teaming up with martin on the left.

I bet your right, he'll be benched until the end of the season. (Please don't use that word again) the Media-Mafia

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 13:25 PM

Is Tony Parkes back here now though, i thought he had some scouting role or something? It's be uuseful for him to be sitting in the dugout offering his experience to Kean and Black...




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