andy82 Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 John Williams' commentary on the annual report. I think what he has written is very fair and points to a healthy future. He is right to highlight that Rovers have done well to increase turn over after outsourcing the catering and shop businesses- now the club just takes fees without commercial risk whereas before all sales from those outlets went into the club's top line. 382260[/snapback] Which as i see it is great from an immediate economic point of view, crap for the long term marketing. Its quite clear that the external companies brought into do these jobs (remembering selling offical merchandise and products within the ground is a monopoly) are making their profits by reducing levels of service, especially staff and product range. Fairplay to them, they are businesses looking for oppotunity and downsizing and strategic portfolio management are simple procedures for them. The question on my mind, is how does this affect Rovers core product of the football(or tickets, if you rather)? Are people going to think they may as well go to the pub anyway, as they find themselves missing large parts of the match due to being in the concourse trying to get a drink or snack? Are people finding they have less of a range of merchandise to purchase and display, therefore cementing the floating/nuetral/rival fans views that Rovers are badly supported? If attendance keeps going down, are these companies going to back out as their profits go down year on year, leaving Rovers to have to restructure again in a few years? Sorry if my questions are explained in Williams notes - ive forgotton my damn username for the official site Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Exiled in Toronto Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 Chairman's commentary's in annual reports can hardly be categorized as "fair" - they are usually the epitomy of positive spin - unless of course the chairman has just come in from the outside and wishes to paint a bleak picture to make his subsequent achievements look all the greater. The decline in fanbase seems to have plenty of causes and not many solutions in the commentary. "We must try harder and we will" needs to be backed up by concrete plans with targets and consequences for failure. That's what executives get paid for. I didn't realize Bancroft had been turfed from his honorary position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philipl Posted February 7, 2006 Author Share Posted February 7, 2006 I agree that Chairmen's reports are typically a work of spin which is why l called this one fair. With regards to out-sourcing, the key is the levels of service/customer satisfaction specified in the contract. Perhaps BRISA could ask how the club is monitoring the contractors' performance and whether the supporters' could have a direct line of feed back to the contractors. I think the decision to outsource those two activities given that the catering in particular is in reality a twenty or so days a year operation was very sensible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy82 Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 With regards to out-sourcing, the key is the levels of service/customer satisfaction specified in the contract. 382369[/snapback] This is my point - i don't think they are providing the same level of customer service as they were pre - outsource, and this is rubbing off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FourLaneBlue Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 (edited) moved to more appropriate thread. Edited February 7, 2006 by FourLaneBlue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted February 10, 2006 Share Posted February 10, 2006 I cannot believe that Rovers recieved £1.5 million compensation money for Souness and his monkey backroom team!! ha ha that makes me happy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philipl Posted February 10, 2006 Author Share Posted February 10, 2006 John Williams in the LET Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey_big_nose Posted February 10, 2006 Share Posted February 10, 2006 John Williams in the LET 383251[/snapback] Wow, I didn't realise our wages were such a large amount of our turnover. Hopefully next year things should improve with big earners like Thommo, Amoruso (at least for half the financial year), Jansen and Flitcroft off the bill. At the moment I would guess our big earners are: Bellamy, Savage, Emerton, Tugay (although I think he signed a reduced contract...) Nelsen (Signed a new contract within three months of joining) Niell Amoruso Matteo Friedel Also I would imagine Ped and Reid are in line for big pay rises, Bentley too if he keeps up his form, while if we want Dickov to continue next season we need to give him some more cash. Still hard, as Phillipl once said, to see how we spend over 30 millin a year on wages. We have about 24. Even assuming that some of the money goes on the chairmen, manager, ticket staff, youth squad, Lee (!) etc. I would guess the average is still well over 1 million a first team player. 1 million a year translates to just under 20k a week! Crazy money... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florida Rover Posted February 11, 2006 Share Posted February 11, 2006 What about Gresko and Enkelman?Think they are on more than 20k per week? Florida Rover Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philipl Posted February 11, 2006 Author Share Posted February 11, 2006 (edited) About 20 players are taking $40m between them. The entire Board of Directors was costing less than $600K. Edited February 11, 2006 by philipl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeChuck Posted February 15, 2006 Share Posted February 15, 2006 What about Gresko and Enkelman?Think they are on more than 20k per week? Florida Rover 383287[/snapback] Enckelman on £20,000 a week? What makes you think that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florida Rover Posted February 15, 2006 Share Posted February 15, 2006 Just pulling numbers out of the air but apparently alot of our players are on higher wages than we could begin to imagine to make the numbers work for our wage compensation to the players. Florida Rover Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey_big_nose Posted February 15, 2006 Share Posted February 15, 2006 About 20 players are taking $40m between them. The entire Board of Directors was costing less than $600K. 383291[/snapback] Is there another industy outside the world of sport where the employees earn several times more than the chairman? Oh, just thought of films. And music. And the arts generally. But apart from that... By the way Phillipl wouldn't the wages of the 100+ non playing staff and coaching staff (including our Sparkster) come out of the $40 mill? Fair enough they would all be on a lot less but it adds up... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philipl Posted February 15, 2006 Author Share Posted February 15, 2006 No Joey- I've guessed a generous £6m ($10m) out of the £31m ($50m) total wage bill for everybody else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exiled_Rover Posted February 15, 2006 Share Posted February 15, 2006 Just pulling numbers out of the air but apparently alot of our players are on higher wages than we could begin to imagine to make the numbers work for our wage compensation to the players. Florida Rover 384125[/snapback] Well if Football Manager is anything to go by we're in serious financial trouble - Savage on £48k a week, Bellamy on £50k a week, Mokoena on £25k a week etc etc. Scary figures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G Somerset Rover Posted February 15, 2006 Share Posted February 15, 2006 I also looked at them figures with some discomfort Exiled Rover. Surely they aren't accurate? Mokoena and Nelsen (the latter would deserve it though) on 25k a week, Sav 48k, Bellers 50k. flitcroft always used to be in the early 20's as did Freidel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philipl Posted February 15, 2006 Author Share Posted February 15, 2006 About 20 players get through £500K a week- ish. Divi it up how you want to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G Somerset Rover Posted February 15, 2006 Share Posted February 15, 2006 Maybe football manager is right then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exiled_Rover Posted February 15, 2006 Share Posted February 15, 2006 About 20 players get through £500K a week- ish. Divi it up how you want to. 384242[/snapback] Yet they're not worth it - Souness at his finest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philipl Posted February 15, 2006 Author Share Posted February 15, 2006 Frightening to say but that ranks Rovers only about half way up or down the Premiership's pay league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florida Rover Posted February 15, 2006 Share Posted February 15, 2006 When the summer clearout ocurs,how much off that 500k pound per week will we cut?With Gresko,Amo,possibly Jon Douglas,possibly Gally,possiblt Gray,possibly Dickov and possibly Tugay that would represent close to 100k per week wouldn't you think?Could we replace those with say two 40k per week players and have the same team at a reduced cost? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey_big_nose Posted February 15, 2006 Share Posted February 15, 2006 When the summer clearout ocurs,how much off that 500k pound per week will we cut?With Gresko,Amo,possibly Jon Douglas,possibly Gally,possiblt Gray,possibly Dickov and possibly Tugay that would represent close to 100k per week wouldn't you think?Could we replace those with say two 40k per week players and have the same team at a reduced cost? 384276[/snapback] If we lost Gray, Dickov and Tugay we would need three players at least. Plus we are still a striker short when Pongo leaves. And remember that the likes of Ped and Reid must be in line for large pay rises. ps. thanks Phillipl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philipl Posted February 16, 2006 Author Share Posted February 16, 2006 Anyone who wants the Deloitte report on football revenues, just register at this site. No mention of the Rovers. Just out of interest, has anyone seen anyone wearing a Real Madrid shirt? I haven't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92er Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 If we lost Gray, Dickov and Tugay we would need three players at least. Plus we are still a striker short when Pongo leaves. And remember that the likes of Ped and Reid must be in line for large pay rises. ps. thanks Phillipl. 384307[/snapback] In last night's LET, Hughes is quoted as saying he wants to open contract talks with Gray in the next few weeks to keep him with us next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philipl Posted April 5, 2006 Author Share Posted April 5, 2006 Flybe to be floated I would imagine that the liquidity this will generate for the Walker Trust would come too late for the summer transfer market. Expect the Trustees to be relatively parsimonious as the Trust probably remains asset rich but cash limited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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