Jump to content

Fútbol, Le Foot, Voetbal, ποδόσφαιρο


Recommended Posts

  • Replies 2.1k
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

Top Posters In This Topic

Popular Posts

What this is about, is the big clubs taking total control of European football. They are taking the power from the bodies such as UEFA, the PL. Between them they are cementing their position of runnin

Why do people care so much? Over to the late Sir Bobby Robson... “What is a club in any case? Not the buildings or the directors or the people who are paid to represent it. It’s not the televisio

i actually hope it happens,it`ll be a clean slate,all the greed will be in one league and eventually they`ll all turn on each other for bigger slices of the money,chuck them out of their leagues and l

Posted Images

If the tories want to guarantee re-election right now they will pass a law just like the germans where the clubs are owned 51% by fans etc.  These greedy bastards have taken the piss for long enough.

Do it right now in retaliation, or at least start the ball rolling and scare the shit out of them.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Extreme end of the scale but how about the government take steps to nationalise these clubs or expropriate a majority shareholding from their existing ownership on the basis that it is in the public interest to do so?

Link to post
Share on other sites

Personally I'd be happy to see them go. But if they are going they are to walk away from all domestic competition. It would offer a very unique opportunity to address the imbalance of power in our own pyramid. Level the playing field. For too long the biggest clubs have destroyed the game in this country. 

I hope they all rot in their super league and that it doesn't take off. I'm sure foreign markets would make it sustainable. If they left though English football could become fun again. They can take VAR with them too whilst they're at it.

Link to post
Share on other sites
6 hours ago, ben_the_beast said:

Personally I'd be happy to see them go. But if they are going they are to walk away from all domestic competition. It would offer a very unique opportunity to address the imbalance of power in our own pyramid. Level the playing field. For too long the biggest clubs have destroyed the game in this country. 

I hope they all rot in their super league and that it doesn't take off. I'm sure foreign markets would make it sustainable. If they left though English football could become fun again. They can take VAR with them too whilst they're at it.

I totally agree, the solution as I'd deal with it:

1. Give 'The 6' one weeks notice that if they go, the door will be shut with any future re-entry into the English pyramid starting in League 2 or below.

2. Promote 6 teams from The Championship and relegate none from this season's Premier League. Invite Celtic and Rangers to compete in next season's Championship and promote 4 teams from League 1 etc to retain the status quo.

Fuck 'em, let's see long term, which competition has the larger appeal! (Be a few scousers and Mancs on Ewood too I reckon.......Best add Liverpool and Manchester to our proposed bus 'em in to Ewood schedule!)

Link to post
Share on other sites
53 minutes ago, darrenrover said:

I totally agree, the solution as I'd deal with it:

Invite Celtic and Rangers to compete in next season's Championship and promote 4 teams from League 1 etc to retain the status quo.

Inviting clubs from another country surely cannot be the solution to this. It’s not that far removed from what these clubs are plotting, when you think about it. 

Link to post
Share on other sites

I wonder what the Yank at Burnley is thinking.

Servicing his buyout debt may prove a little less easy if there's less money swilling around the PL after the 'Big 6' get booted out.

Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, oldjamfan1 said:

Inviting clubs from another country surely cannot be the solution to this. It’s not that far removed from what these clubs are plotting, when you think about it. 

No I agree totally, best solution is to stop this in it's tracks.

Why did The Government not intervene when it was (perhaps still is) patently obvious to those that cared to look, that little old Blackburn Rovers were being raped and pillaged? Is it the case that it's now only relevant because it involves the so perceived 'big six'? (none of which were even close to being founder members of The Football League in 1888)......none have any true HISTORY comparable to ours.

I was merely working on the premise that they're all 'bent' and what's 'good for the goose' is also 'sauce for the gander'!

WE ARE The Rovers!!!

Link to post
Share on other sites

Spoke at length about this in a boozy Monday night. General consensus amongst the Villa / Blues / Baggies fans I drink with all wanted the 'Big 6' to go. Villa fans think they will benefit as a result and become a much bigger club.

Even if the money completely drained from the First Division (Premier League) people will still want to be footballers. If money leaves so does the demand from players / agents. Over time the business will do as business does and adapt and plateau at a level the finances determine. Everybody seemed pretty content with the idea that the 6 clubs could get kicked out, and it would allow 6 clubs to move up each league, including allowing 6 new clubs into the 4th division.

I don't think anybody actually wants that because we all enjoy the games against Utd and the like but I really don't think these 6 clubs have much goodwill amongst the remaining football fans in this country. That significantly weakens their position imo.

They are not helped by Perez latest conference, which he declared himself as the man "to save football". He called it the "important clubs in England, Italy and Spain" (no, really, he said that) getting together to create a more watchable tournament than what they would see "if Man Utd played a more modest Champions League team".

Getting in to bed with a man like that shows you everything you need to know. He has never cared about English football, and the debt levels the European clubs have in comparison to some of the English clubs show why they are so for it. Bunch of fools.

Link to post
Share on other sites

If the ESL goes ahead it needs to be separate to domestic football. If these clubs are getting 300m a season that drives up player fees, and will create huge wage inflation that trickles down the pyramid, it'll kill the game. 

 

Reform is needed and for me there's three things that need to happen 

1. Follow the German model of being 51% fan owned. 

2. Salary caps

3. Regulations placed on agents. 

It's a viscioous circle, as football gets more money, players and agents demand more which means owners want more money. 

Money in football is a double edged sword. On one hand we can improve stadiums, do outreach work, invest heavily in coaching and training infrastructure and this all improves the game. Pogba demanding 500k a game doesn't. 

I get there's a business side to it as well but I think football clubs could be profitable if you limit what you spend on wages and agent fees. You're not going to ruin the game by limiting what players can earn (as long as all the major leagues adopt it). 

Link to post
Share on other sites

Agree with RoverDom, above. Without reform and regulation, including fan ownership and representation on boards, things will continue towards the precipice. However, such a move will only happen with a unified fans' movement.

If clubs leave for the ESL, more will follow. There will be an ESL 2 and so on, with the next tier of clubs. It is just like the creation of the Premier League, which brought in a new era of inequality, only worse, due to it being formally, a relative closed shop. 

If a club qualifies somehow to be one of the fodder for the ESL and, presumably, almost guaranteed to go down, two things will happen. They will be grossly enriched, so the Premier League will be even more uncompetitive and, they will look for some way that they can boost their income to compete with the ESL.

The apathetic and the supporters of this proposal are asking for the destruction of professional football, including anyone from non-ESL Premier League clubs who fancy being the new Man Utd.

Edited by riverholmes
Link to post
Share on other sites

This is an American takeover of European football to woo consumers in China

And it won't stop under the present proposals; football will become like Super Bowl

So among other Americanisation reforms we can look forward to

1. Breaks in play every 10-15 minutes for TV advertising

2. Matches played around the world; eg, Man Utd v Barcelona in Shanghai; Arsenal v Milan in  Beijing; 

This is an existential threat to the game as we know it, dressed up as a guise according to the Real Madrid president as a "means to save football". 

 

Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, darrenrover said:

I totally agree, the solution as I'd deal with it:

1. Give 'The 6' one weeks notice that if they go, the door will be shut with any future re-entry into the English pyramid starting in League 2 or below.

2. Promote 6 teams from The Championship and relegate none from this season's Premier League. Invite Celtic and Rangers to compete in next season's Championship and promote 4 teams from League 1 etc to retain the status quo.

Fuck 'em, let's see long term, which competition has the larger appeal! (Be a few scousers and Mancs on Ewood too I reckon.......Best add Liverpool and Manchester to our proposed bus 'em in to Ewood schedule!)

Not a chance.  Dont want any Scottish teams in the English league.  Don't even want the welsh ones. Keep our countries separate.  

Link to post
Share on other sites

Personally I'd rather reform the major leagues as outlined above. Put salary caps in place etc and then maybe the likes of the SPL and the Dutch league with big names clubs could get somewhere close to being competitive. I'd rather not dismantle what little is left of the SPL by bringing them into England. 

 

Link to post
Share on other sites
21 minutes ago, roverandout said:

Not a chance.  Dont want any Scottish teams in the English league.  Don't even want the welsh ones. Keep our countries separate.  

That’s your opinion @roverandout, which you’re entitled to obviously.

I’d fight fire with fire and give these self imposed ‘big boys’ some competition and something to think about.

Some half cocked, ‘ Super League’ may be attractive to those in China, Thailand, USA and other far flung places but to those in football’s homeland, where clubs are part of the communities and are an integral part of the town/city/family heritage, there’ll be little or no interest.

I’d much rather be a Rover in these times than a Manc, Scouser or Cockney (naturally of course!)

WATR!!!

Link to post
Share on other sites

At the Uefa Congress, Fifa president Gianni Infantino says his organisation "strongly disapprove" of a European Super League.

Yesterday we heard and read about war, crime, terrible worlds, even more terrible if linked with the game we all love, that should give joy to everyone," said Infantino.

"I am speaking about the [European] Super League project. Let me be extremely clear, Fifa is an organisation built on true values of sport, statutes which define institutional framework with the pyramid. 

"We can only and strongly disapprove of a Super League which is a closed shop, breakaway from current institutions."

 

Interesting, much stronger reaction from FIFA today than their slightly non-committal one yesterday...

Edited by Mattyblue
Link to post
Share on other sites

Strong and excellent words from Everton fc. I wish we had owners capable of there sentiments towards the history of football in this country.

https://www.evertonfc.com/news/2111866

I know this is a full cut and paste, but hopefully the mods will leave it untouched, but if not, that’s okay. I understand the rules.

Everton is saddened and disappointed to see proposals of a breakaway league pushed forward by six clubs.

Six clubs acting entirely in their own interests.

Six clubs tarnishing the reputation of our league and the game.

Six clubs choosing to disrespect every other club with whom they sit around the Premier League table.

Six clubs taking for granted and even betraying the majority of football supporters across our country and beyond.

At this time of national and international crisis - and a defining period for our game - clubs should be working together collaboratively with the ideals of our game and its supporters uppermost.

Instead, these clubs have been secretly conspiring to break away from a football pyramid that has served them so well.

And in that Pyramid Everton salutes EVERY club, be it Leicester City, Accrington Stanley, Gillingham, Lincoln City, Morecambe, Southend United, Notts County and the rest who have, with their very being, enriched the lives of their supporters throughout the game's history. And vice versa.

The self-proclaimed Super Six appear intent on disenfranchising supporters across the game - including their own - by putting the very structure that underpins the game we love under threat.

The backlash is understandable and deserved – and has to be listened to.

This preposterous arrogance is not wanted anywhere in football outside of the clubs that have drafted this plan.

On behalf of everyone associated with Everton, we respectfully ask that the proposals are immediately withdrawn and that the private meetings and subversive practises that have brought our beautiful game to possibly its lowest ever position in terms of trust end now.

Finally we would ask the owners, chairmen, and Board members of the six clubs to remember the privileged position they hold – not only as custodians of their clubs but also custodians of the game. The responsibility they carry should be taken seriously.

We urge them all to consider what they wish their legacy to be.

Everton FC Board of Directors

Link to post
Share on other sites
3 hours ago, dave birch said:

Darren, you were doing alright until " Invite Celtic and Rangers".

Best to let some English clubs move up the ladder. I'm sure they'll feel they've earned it.

Yeh, I know!

It was more of a ‘stick it up ‘em’ comment and knee jerk reaction.

I’d rather have a Mackhem and Pompey chimes than a Glaswegian!

I’ll get mi coat and don mi tin hat! 🤣💙🤍

Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, darrenrover said:

That’s your opinion @roverandout, which you’re entitled to obviously.

I’d fight fire with fire and give these self imposed ‘big boys’ some competition and something to think about.

Some half cocked, ‘ Super League’ may be attractive to those in China, Thailand, USA and other far flung places but to those in football’s homeland, where clubs are part of the communities and are an integral part of the town/city/family heritage, there’ll be little or no interest.

I’d much rather be a Rover in these times than a Manc, Scouser or Cockney (naturally of course!)

WATR!!!

I would be up for going against these scummy 6. Just don't want any foreign clubs replacing them in an English league 

Link to post
Share on other sites
4 minutes ago, roverandout said:

I would be up for going against these scummy 6. Just don't want any foreign clubs replacing them in an English league 

Pompey and Mackems!👍

Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, Dreams of 1995 said:

Spoke at length about this in a boozy Monday night. General consensus amongst the Villa / Blues / Baggies fans I drink with all wanted the 'Big 6' to go. Villa fans think they will benefit as a result and become a much bigger club.

Even if the money completely drained from the First Division (Premier League) people will still want to be footballers. If money leaves so does the demand from players / agents. Over time the business will do as business does and adapt and plateau at a level the finances determine.

The problem is the money would drain quickly and clubs would have to readjust quickly. If Villa's TV rights were halved over the next 2 years they would have serious financial problems and could well go bust. With the knock on effect as could Burnley, Rovers, Blackpool or Morecambe.

This has been rumoured for a while. Who is to say that the Sky / BT Sport, Bein Sport, Canal Sport etc.. TV contracts for the Premier don't have a clause saying that if any clubs walk away the contract can be re-negotiated.

If it goes ahead, the 12 become untouchably richer, some of the rest of the UK teams will sink to a more palatable financial level and some of the others will go bust.

@Wheelton Blue asks "I wonder what Burnley's owners are thinking" . Probably thinking that if this happens we can't get our money back, so do we cut our losses and pull the plug. Which may well be the same as Venkys and many, many other owners outside the big 5 and Spurs.

 

Edited by Hasta
Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Loading...

×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

We have placed cookies on your device to help make this website better. You can adjust your cookie settings, otherwise we'll assume you're okay to continue.