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Glenn said theres people unwilling to post positive things about the venkys for fear of being ridicled.Heres your chance(let them have their say).

My question is ,How have the venkys improved us since they took over us and why?

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hand on heart i didnt start this thread to ridicule anyone ,far from it.

im curious as to how the pro venky think thats all.`I asked the same question in other threads and noone replied ,maybe it got lost so im just asking the question ,thats all.

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To be fair, its a very good question and you don't have to be pro-venkys to try and answer the question. You'd actually think that there would be SOMETHING good that Venkys have done. However I honestly can't think of anything right now.

I was going to say that they at least cleared all our debt, but then remembered that they saddled us with more loans. Was that repaid though as the bank wanted it back? I am so confused with the goings on. I'm going to stick with no debt for now and hope its true :)

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To be fair, its a very good question and you don't have to be pro-venkys to try and answer the question. You'd actually think that there would be SOMETHING good that Venkys have done. However I honestly can't think of anything right now.

That's because there isn't one Biddy.

Well, thinking about it, does getting rovers to be the first PL club to play in India count?

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They have not improved us in any way. Any remote positive you can drudge up from the depths they've plunged us to can instantly be countered with a dozen negatives.

As owners of this club, thus far, they've been nothing short of a disgrace and should hang their heads in shame.

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Glenn said theres people unwilling to post positive things about the venkys for fear of being ridicled.Heres your chance(let them have their say).

My question is ,How have the venkys improved us since they took over us and why?

Two strange questions, if I may say, ABBEY. The first seems to be posited on the assumption that they have improved us. Which is somewhat begging the question.

Apart from broadly continuing the previous owners ticket-pricing policy [i seem to remember a fear at the time they bought the club that pricing would be one of the first casualties of the new regime], I can't think of any way that they have improved us on the field.

I'm not sure what you mean by your second question which I read as [forgive me if I misunderstand you] "Why have the Venky's improved us?"

Doubtless they and their apologists would say the answer to that is they have improved us because they have plans for the club which we would never have achieved under the previous owners [remind me again; Europe in how many seasons' time, was it?].

How you reconcile that ambition with the way in which things are turning out maybe as relevant a question for them to consider.

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sorry, meant how have they improved and the reasons why you think it has improved.I ask it because like i said earlier ive asked the question on other threads and its not been answered and glenn reckons people are not posting pro venky stuff for fear of ridicule.Like i said what impovements?

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Glenn said theres people unwilling to post positive things about the venkys for fear of being ridicled.Heres your chance(let them have their say).

My question is ,How have the venkys improved us since they took over us and why?

They got you drinking shandy on Sunday, surely thats positive :D

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The only place we are going is Div.1 and it's so difficult to get out of these days, especially when half your players have a relegation release clause!

Utterly disappointed. I'm glad i decided to play Saturdays rather than another season ticket. I would of been sick!

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I'll put my neck on the line and say there are a few positives amongst the mess.

1.We were only just staying above water under the trust who simply didn't invest in us for years. We were undeniably a selling club who didn't reinvest - regardless of us being promised that we would be a "trading club" we were saddled with £20m of debt which constantly needed "servicing" (aka selling your best players). Nobody can argue that we fought hard to keep hold of Jones and managed to fend off interest in Samba - would we have even bothered under the previous regime or would we have replaced Jones with a big money signing?

Also, along similar lines to above, we were potentially heading for bigger trouble had that dodgy bloke who took over Racing Santander somehow managed to purchase us - who knows, if the trust wanted out at any cost and the Venkys didn't come along would they have sold to him and what would have happened??. You can't rely on the comical fit and proper test - ask Birmingham and Man City about that one.

2.Our signings have improved to a certain degree (The new Chris Smalling and the new Dennis Irwin aside)in that we have signed players such as Formica, Rochina, Dann, Vuckevic and Yakubu who have definite class and Goodwillie is also well regarded and has potential - a big step up from Liganzi and that big weird French thing who's name escapes me. Some might say that we haven't reinvested all of the Kalinic and Jones money, but I think that is a stupid statement and would rather bide our time and search out a quality young player than fire £10million Spurs' way for an ageing Peter Crouch etc.

Here's the bit where the likely lads will really try to flame me;

3.Like thousands of Bolton and Newcastle fans, I'm personally also glad big Sam's football doesn't grace the sky above the pitch anymore because I was at the point of packing it in having to sit through that. Also, he simply didn't want to manage us either and thought he was worthy of much better - we talk about delusions of grandeur with Kean but good old Big Sam had his moments too "Real Madrid, Inter Milan, England manager etc. :rolleyes: "

Regardless of how some may package it in terms of "we'd definitely still be a Premier League club" with him in charge I view that as similar to living off bread and water to survive, or just settling for an ugly wife because they have the same parts as the fit ones but at least you know where you stand with them. Yes we would have a better chance of survival but we were absolutely bloody awful, started getting pasted and teams were dealing with us much easier and there wasn't a plan B anymore.

Unfortunately, the list of negativity is MUCH longer and far easier to compile. Top of it is undoubtedly now Kean. For whatever reason the owners have gambled on him, and even though I thought it may do, it just hasn't worked out. I am still an optimist these days though who thinks the Venkys aren't evil and are just a big decision and a P45 away from becoming a success and getting us back on the right road. It has come to the point now though that if this doesn't happen, something is very wrong at our club because nobody can justify a 20% win ratio over nearly 12months.

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I still don't understand the "Sam football" argument, nor will I ever.

It may just be me, but when I am in a fight I do not care one iota for cosmetics. I will bite, claw, chew and scream. I would rather win than lose beautifully.

Not that Keans football is beautiful by any means. Each week that goes by he becomes more the mirror image of what people hated.

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Good football is winning football, ask Man United fans if they care how they score a goal!

The only 2 things I can think of are season ticket prices, wolves away ticket subsidy and free stuff.

As somebody quite rightly pointed out above though, these are offset by a dozen or so failures.

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The fundamental thinking has been all wrong, the key decisions have been made due as a result of a crude conflict of interest – manager of any football club and having a credible chairman/chief exec are so important (if you want to be successful that is).

Interesting that Alan Nixon suggested last night that a chairman/chief exec appointment could be on the agenda soon.

Season ticket prices was a good/sensible move, not necessarily an improvement though.

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I still don't understand the "Sam football" argument, nor will I ever.

It may just be me, but when I am in a fight I do not care one iota for cosmetics. I will bite, claw, chew and scream. I would rather win than lose beautifully.

Not that Keans football is beautiful by any means. Each week that goes by he becomes more the mirror image of what people hated.

I think it is simple in that it just must not have affected you in that way. I genuinely found it depressing and really didn't want to come to the games. I renewed through guilt and association to the club I love. There are plenty of fans who feel the same way as me but admittedly, probably many more who are like you are happy with the points and survival.

In terms of fight I think that is what we have lacked ever since the day Hughes walked out. Under Sam it was a case of sitting back and humping it up top and hoping for a ood knock down. Under Kean it's a case of pretending to be better than you actually are and leaving yourself wide open on the break when you mess up. Neither style nowhere near matches the 100% effort, commitment and supreme fitness we showed under Hughes.

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2.Our signings have improved to a certain degree (The new Chris Smalling and the new Dennis Irwin aside)in that we have signed players such as Formica, Rochina, Dann, Vuckevic and Yakubu who have definite class and Goodwillie is also well regarded and has potential

Staggered at that one Pedro.

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