[Archived] Burnley fans up in arms over Ewood game.

[Paul]

May be draconian measures which I for one could well do without but spare a thought for the families with young kids who can attend the games without worry as a consequence.

I'm certain that wouldn't be the case if the measures weren't in place.

On the contrary I would go if allowed to make my own way there. Neither I nor my lad want to be herded like cattle so we don't go.

The bussing in and out if fans is outrageous.

[Plastics]

I wasn't able to go last time we were in this league as I was young and my Mum wouldn't allow it. Gutted I didn't get to go in retrospect. Would have been allowed if the same measures had been in place back then.

I'm surprised people find it outrageous. It's only like using the away travel coaches Rovers provide. It's not great but it's not the worst thing in the world.

[ABBEY]

The glory years. When there was more likely to be violence at a football match, you could get away with far more racism/sexism and could molest at ease...

Molest ? Ffs which games have you been too ?

[Plastics]

Molest ? Ffs which games have you been too ?

The first bit was to do with football, then after the comma was simply the 70's.

[Parsonblue]

The glory years. When there was more likely to be violence at a football match, you could get away with far more racism/sexism and could molest at ease...

I don't know what you experienced in the 60s and 70s Plastics but it certainly wasn't what I experienced going to the Turf at that time. The present arrangements for both sets of supporters are completely over the top. The only reason supporters still go is because the games between the clubs have been so few and far between. However, if we were to stay in the Championship for any length of time the fact that I was away from home for eight hours for a trip I can do in 20 minutes in the car would soon lose its interest for me.

[Plastics]

I wasn't alive but I've heard stories from my Dad. Someone he knew was abducted by Burnley fans and they put him in a pram and wheeled him around the town for a while, in front of everybody and he couldn't do anything about it. Then they beat him up.

Anybody who can't amuse themselves for a good few hours simply by thinking has no imagination.

[Parsonblue]

I wasn't alive but I've heard stories from my Dad. Someone he knew was abducted by Burnley fans and they put him in a pram and wheeled him around the town for a while, in front of everybody and he couldn't do anything about it. Then they beat him up.

Anybody who can't amuse themselves for a good few hours simply by thinking has no imagination.

Perhaps they can spend a good few hours thinking just what a complete an utter waste of time the over the top policing of these games now is. As I say, the experiences I had of football in the 60s and 70s seem to be somewhat different to what you believe them to be. Then again, I suppose if you go looking for trouble you'll no doubt find it.

[Plastics]

Perhaps they can spend a good few hours thinking just what a complete an utter waste of time the over the top policing of these games now is. As I say, the experiences I had of football in the 60s and 70s seem to be somewhat different to what you believe them to be. Then again, I suppose if you go looking for trouble you'll no doubt find it.

That's quite an assumption. From what I gather he was not looking for it and instead was spotted by somebody who outed him as a Rovers fan. Was walking along minding his own business.

My Dad was once hit with a compass which stuck in him, thrown from a side street into a crowd of Rovers fans walking down a main road with a police escort (in Blackpool I think but I can't remember what he said). My Grandad had the same but with a brick thrown into a crowd, this time at Bolton. He got hit on the head and was completely dazed by the incident. This is walking in crowds, not asking for trouble.

If the 70's is no different than now, as you seem to think (which i do not believe) then those things can still happen and I'm glad for all the fuss made about security in this game. On the other hand, if it is safer now, I'm still happier not taking the risk given some of the Burnley fans I have met in the past.

[darrenrover]

Molest ? Ffs which games have you been too ?

Longside late seventies Abbey it was very cosy.

The molesting took place in The Bee Hole End if memory serves me correct.

[Seedstral]

The worst incident occurred when the scum trashed their own town centre on the pretext of giving it a makeover.

They only trashed their own town as it was the first time we'd played each other in years and they thought it was their big day out. They thought they had it sussed when they realised that the Rovers fans who went on the train that day were escorted down side streets and back allies to the ground straight from Manchester Road and thinking that it would be the same route back lined the route all the way back for ambushes but what happened was we were escorted to Barracks train station instead. What happened then is public knowledge as they went on to trash their own town as said earlier. Now for me whos not a violent person i have to say thats the safest i've ever felt going to the dark side without a coach in sight. Could they do it again too right they could but the police dont want to and it all comes down to finances in my opinion as not too long ago they did it for a FA Cup replay on a midweek night and that passed off mainly without incident

[chris_h]

A Forest supporter died at the hands of Burnley fans. From memory it was because he had the temerity to drink in a pub in the town before kick off.

Having grown up through the 80s in Accy I'm well aware of what a significant proportion of Burnley fans are capable of. They'll be waiting for the Police to ease off and, for that reason, the Police shouldn't.

[bypass06]

Don't think this thread would exist if they were well clear of us in the league.

Bottom line is they know they'll get nowt from the game, And they don't want to shell out for it.

[arbitro]

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/archive/2001/01/23/Lancashire+Archive/6048404.Family_man__behaved_like_a_yob_/

[Stuart]

I think if people expect *zero* incidents then yes bussing will be the way to go.

But I still feel that if you treat people like animals they will behave like animals.

[Gav]

Did we not leave Ewood at 9.30 for noon kick off this season?

No, some didn't leave Ewood until 11am, I was one of them....a complete farce, police on bridges, barracades outside the away end, Really necessary?

and I shall not be doing it next season.

[gumboots]

Hopefully none of us will!

[Gav]

Hopefully none of us will!

Yes gumboots, lets hope burnley go down, that's the spirit!

[Parsonblue]

That's quite an assumption. From what I gather he was not looking for it and instead was spotted by somebody who outed him as a Rovers fan. Was walking along minding his own business.

My Dad was once hit with a compass which stuck in him, thrown from a side street into a crowd of Rovers fans walking down a main road with a police escort (in Blackpool I think but I can't remember what he said). My Grandad had the same but with a brick thrown into a crowd, this time at Bolton. He got hit on the head and was completely dazed by the incident. This is walking in crowds, not asking for trouble.

If the 70's is no different than now, as you seem to think (which i do not believe) then those things can still happen and I'm glad for all the fuss made about security in this game. On the other hand, if it is safer now, I'm still happier not taking the risk given some of the Burnley fans I have met in the past.

You must clearly live in a world where you are frightened of our own shadow. How sad.

[bypass06]

Looks like it's catching on.

Draconian’ derby restrictions leave Tigers furious over police intervention

http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/football/hull-city/hull-city-v-blackburn-rovers-draconian-derby-restrictions-leave-tigers-furious-over-police-intervention-1-5423251

[ABBEY]

That's quite an assumption. From what I gather he was not looking for it and instead was spotted by somebody who outed him as a Rovers fan. Was walking along minding his own business.

My Dad was once hit with a compass which stuck in him, thrown from a side street into a crowd of Rovers fans walking down a main road with a police escort (in Blackpool I think but I can't remember what he said). My Grandad had the same but with a brick thrown into a crowd, this time at Bolton. He got hit on the head and was completely dazed by the incident. This is walking in crowds, not asking for trouble.

If the 70's is no different than now, as you seem to think (which i do not believe) then those things can still happen and I'm glad for all the fuss made

about security in this game. On the other hand, if it is safer now, I'm still happier not taking the risk given some of the Burnley fans I have met in the past.

Hit by a compass ? Is that why your polarised on here?

[yoda]

Hit by a compass ? Is that why your polarised on here?

well at least he got the point once in his life

[forumquizmaster]

Charges are priced per finger, aren't they? What does he expect?

This did genuinely make me laugh out loud on the train this morning

[alexanders]

The problem is the human being and a really popular sport combined. 99% of the people going wants to watch a local derby game of football. 1% Wants to start trouble.

Collective punishment is sadly the one thing which works best.

[yoda]

The problem is the human being and a really popular sport combined. 99% of the people going wants to watch a local derby game of football. 1% Wants to start trouble.

Collective punishment is sadly the one thing which works best.

you mean punish before the event

[Mike E]

you mean punish before the event

Yep. And he's right, it works to an extent. Only thing is, such measures tend to attract more dickheads than fans judging by some of our lot at Burnley chanting about Jimmy Savile.