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On 02/03/2021 at 09:34, 47er said:

Mols having a trial at Burnley. I've just noticed this story. Have I missed something or is this new?

He played for their under 23's on Monday against West Brom. He was named on the official team sheet but down as 'trialist' on the PL website. A friend was at the game and said he played well. For him to be having a trial elsewhere we must have cancelled his contract and paid him up.

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9 hours ago, arbitro said:

He played for their under 23's on Monday against West Brom. He was named on the official team sheet but down as 'trialist' on the PL website. A friend was at the game and said he played well. For him to be having a trial elsewhere we must have cancelled his contract and paid him up.

Not necessarily, and in fact we probably haven't. The LT article implied he is under contract as they said he is expected to leave in the summer. If we plan to release it makes sense to let them trial him, with the other kids who might have a future here doing well in the league.

Hopefully we can let him leave with a sell on, or just loan him out for the rest of the season to save a bit of wage. Pretty sure youth loans are allowed outside the full window - didn't Wright-Phillips join us that way?

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8 hours ago, bluebruce said:

Not necessarily, and in fact we probably haven't. The LT article implied he is under contract as they said he is expected to leave in the summer. If we plan to release it makes sense to let them trial him, with the other kids who might have a future here doing well in the league.

Hopefully we can let him leave with a sell on, or just loan him out for the rest of the season to save a bit of wage. Pretty sure youth loans are allowed outside the full window - didn't Wright-Phillips join us that way?

I didn't think you can play for another club whilst under contract, even as a trialist. We can't loan him out either as the window is closed. The only option I believe is terminating his deal.

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4 hours ago, arbitro said:

I didn't think you can play for another club whilst under contract, even as a trialist. We can't loan him out either as the window is closed. The only option I believe is terminating his deal.

You certainly can in the youth teams on FM (but not in competitive pro games). It's not real life I know, but they're rarely wrong with those kinds of details.

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43 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

You certainly can in the youth teams on FM (but not in competitive pro games). It's not real life I know, but they're rarely wrong with those kinds of details.

 

 

He played in a league game for their under 23 team. My understanding is that you can't be registered for two clubs unless it's a loan deal. 

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4 hours ago, arbitro said:

 

 

He played in a league game for their under 23 team. My understanding is that you can't be registered for two clubs unless it's a loan deal. 

Yes I know he played in a league game for their u23s. U23s is not what I meant by a competitive pro game. Maybe the loan outside a window isn't possible (although it's a youth loan- that's the terminology that was used when we borrowed DM Wright-Phillips), but a trial, I'm virtually certain that's allowed and enables you to play youth games. But not first team games.

We are only going in circles here though. I'd be surprised if Mols is gone with no announcement though.

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8 hours ago, Stuart said:

Mols at Burnley...? 😢

Genuinely gutted to read that.

I wouldn't worry too much. I don't think somebody at his age who couldn't trouble the Spanish 4th tier (was it?) is going to be playing in the Prem. They'll be looking to sign him to cheaply boost their u23 team for a bit.

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8 hours ago, bluebruce said:

I wouldn't worry too much. I don't think somebody at his age who couldn't trouble the Spanish 4th tier (was it?) is going to be playing in the Prem. They'll be looking to sign him to cheaply boost their u23 team for a bit.

Have you watched Mols play? Something not right about his development. Damien Duff would have been released by this bunch.

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4 hours ago, Stuart said:

Have you watched Mols play? Something not right about his development. Damien Duff would have been released by this bunch.

Why couldn't he regularly get a game at a poor level in Spain?

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3 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

Why couldn't he regularly get a game at a poor level in Spain?

I would suggest that it was either, due to covid restrictions, or he is shit.

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46 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

Why couldn't he regularly get a game at a poor level in Spain?

I’ll take that as a no.

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1 hour ago, Stuart said:

I’ll take that as a no.

Once or twice, but I'll take your answer as you don't know why he hasn't been able to get into a poor Spanish side once men's football came along, at an age when he should really be kicking on.

And yes, I'm aware he was rated by those who had seen him regularly. I'm also aware numerous other highly rated youth players have vanished into obscurity because men's football is different gravy.

Even to use one sort of making his way in senior football, there was more noise about Buckley and I'm yet to be impressed.

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4 hours ago, bluebruce said:

Once or twice, but I'll take your answer as you don't know why he hasn't been able to get into a poor Spanish side once men's football came along, at an age when he should really be kicking on.

And yes, I'm aware he was rated by those who had seen him regularly. I'm also aware numerous other highly rated youth players have vanished into obscurity because men's football is different gravy.

Even to use one sort of making his way in senior football, there was more noise about Buckley and I'm yet to be impressed.

Lots of players don’t get into teams for reasons unknown or due to incompetent managers.

Josh King couldn’t get a game working for Bowyer. Look how their respective careers panned out.

Maybe the manager of said Spanish club is as clueless as some of our managers, who knows.

I stand by my original point: I’m disappointed we didn’t take Mols to the next step. But then players rarely do progress on Mowbray’s slow motion conveyor belt where they have to wait while he develops PL players, who get to make their mistakes here instead. If one of our youngsters has made a game-ending mistake like Harvey Elliott did this week they’d have been dropped like a stone after a public hanging-out-to-dry.

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I’ll be honest, I’ve never seen Mols play, but it just seems really bizarre that he isn’t good enough for us, but he’s good enough for Burnley, who, as we know, play a division higher than us....

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50 minutes ago, Stuart said:

Lots of players don’t get into teams for reasons unknown or due to incompetent managers.

Josh King couldn’t get a game working for Bowyer. Look how their respective careers panned out.

Maybe the manager of said Spanish club is as clueless as some of our managers, who knows.

I stand by my original point: I’m disappointed we didn’t take Mols to the next step. But then players rarely do progress on Mowbray’s slow motion conveyor belt where they have to wait while he develops PL players, who get to make their mistakes here instead. If one of our youngsters has made a game-ending mistake like Harvey Elliott did this week they’d have been dropped like a stone after a public hanging-out-to-dry.

Aye. Time will tell if Mols is a Tomlinson or a King, or something inbetween, we will just have to wait and see now. I'm still not too worried though. The Spanish side may have a stupid manager, but their 4th tier is a lot weaker than our 4th tier. If he is as good as we would need him to be, now being 22, I don't feel it would matter how bad their manager was. It was a shame to hear how little impact he made there, as he did seem a cracking prospect at one time.

Agree our use of young players, both in terms of the first team and the loans we manage to get them, isn't where it should be despite some successful break through to the first team.

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31 minutes ago, K-Hod said:

I’ll be honest, I’ve never seen Mols play, but it just seems really bizarre that he isn’t good enough for us, but he’s good enough for Burnley, who, as we know, play a division higher than us....

Burnley u23s. Who as we know, play a division lower than us. I'm suspecting it's more a case of making their youth team more competitive in the hope of reaching top tier to attract proper youngsters. Like how we brought in Lyons and White at fairly advanced ages for youth players. I never felt like either was expected to break into the first team. I'd even say Lyons has exceeded expectations, but he doesn't seem to be remotely considered for our first team.

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42 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

Burnley u23s. Who as we know, play a division lower than us. I'm suspecting it's more a case of making their youth team more competitive in the hope of reaching top tier to attract proper youngsters. Like how we brought in Lyons and White at fairly advanced ages for youth players. I never felt like either was expected to break into the first team. I'd even say Lyons has exceeded expectations, but he doesn't seem to be remotely considered for our first team.

You keep pointing this out but his prospects at Burnley are far greater than at Rovers, time now at least.

If he performs in Div 2 (the only benchmark they will have) as he performed for us there then he may get a first team opportunity. There is certainly a far greater incentive there than to stay here and - best case - try to break into Mowbray’s dysfunctional team. Probably at full back.

I’m not sure I can cope with another few years of Mowbray. I’m desperately hoping that he is gone soon. Sadly I fear that the only way he will be sacked is if we are in the bottom three - too late and not attractive to any decent managers. Or relegation at which point he probably will walk. For all his talk of integrity and not wanting to be a burden it’s looking very much like he will keep taking us down.

I just hope we still have a Cat 1 academy after he and his cronies have gone out we will be talking about Mols as part of “the good old days”.

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2 hours ago, K-Hod said:

I’ll be honest, I’ve never seen Mols play, but it just seems really bizarre that he isn’t good enough for us, but he’s good enough for Burnley, who, as we know, play a division higher than us....

Well, I have since he was 12 as I've mentioned many times, only to get the piss taken. 

Shits all over Bucko, Larry and the rest his age. Mowbray is a twat and hasn't got a clue.

Another shit show down brockhall.

He will come good.

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2 hours ago, bluebruce said:

Burnley u23s. Who as we know, play a division lower than us. I'm suspecting it's more a case of making their youth team more competitive in the hope of reaching top tier to attract proper youngsters. Like how we brought in Lyons and White at fairly advanced ages for youth players. I never felt like either was expected to break into the first team. I'd even say Lyons has exceeded expectations, but he doesn't seem to be remotely considered for our first team.

It's got a lot to do with a Burnley scout who has known him since he was young. This could be our Dolan moment.

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Delighted that today’s U23’s game is available for free on the Rovers YouTube channel. Myself and a few others went to meet with representatives from the club to urge them to look into doing it as other clubs had been for a while.

They’ve bought new equipment, trialled it and its rolling out today in a quick turnaround.

Playing Southampton in the PL2 at 12:00 KO

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