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Report reveals why Putin wanted to undermine Hillary

Russian President Vladimir Putin personally ordered an unprecedented cyber campaign to undermine Hillary Clinton and boost Donald Trump during the presidential election, an intelligence report claimed Friday.

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The 25-page report prepared by the CIA, FBI and National Security Agency said Russia has consistently tried to disrupt “the US-led liberal democratic order” but the recent hacking “demonstrated a significant escalation in directness, level of activity and scope of effort compared to previous operations.”

http://nypost.com/2017/01/06/report-reveals-why-putin-wanted-to-undermine-hillary/

The liberal media sides with the Democrats. The Hillary people screwed Bernie Sanders over.

Crocodile tears.

Of course, we won't hear how the rigged primary system the democrats used, was already a battle lost by Hillary, not in a million years.

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Just has not accepting a referendum result is .

Or Trump as president. The American people voted him in. It's called democracy and it has sod all to do with us. The USA will have to live with the election result.

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The article's recitation of problems is editorializing. The writer thinks it will be too difficult or too controversial, therefore it is. I suspect that Trump's tolerance for both greatly exceeds the writer's.

And if the writer's opinion is correct? So what. We'll have the wall, the border patrol will be strengthened and, just maybe, we'll begin to control immigration. But since I don't want to be insensitive, and it appears that some here seem to love more illegal immigrants, I'm perfectly okay with transferring a few million illegals into the UK rather than sending them back to their home country. Enjoy.

I think everyones editorialising here, including profoundly yourself. You are heavily invested in Trump being a success and will (and have) interpreted everything he has done and said as acceptable and positive. Others are as focussed on interpreting everything he says and does negatively.

To be honest this approach of argument doesnt really teach us anything. It's just shouting into the wind.

The simple question you need to ask yourself is if Hillary, Obama or any other Democrat politician in the way Trump has done and continues to do, would you view those actions and opinions as acceptable? If so great.

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One could say the Democrats are being sore losers, why should Trump take what intel says as gospel? We really figure the government is trustworthy? That's why people voted for Trump.

I want to trust intel on national security, but some mickey mouse accusations about the Russians?

No diplomats were sent home over Crimea, the airline shot down over Ukraine, but on so-called hacking, diplomats were expelled? It sounds fishy to me.

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Mexico's former minister of foreign affairs acknowledging Trump can make Mexico pay. http://dailycaller.com/2016/09/23/former-mexican-diplomat-trump-could-actually-make-mexico-pay-for-wall/

Many of the mechanisms for repayment are entirely under the president' control, no need to consult with Congress or Mexico.

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Mexico's former minister of foreign affairs acknowledging Trump can make Mexico pay. http://dailycaller.com/2016/09/23/former-mexican-diplomat-trump-could-actually-make-mexico-pay-for-wall/

Many of the mechanisms for repayment are entirely under the president' control, no need to consult with Congress or Mexico.

The US does have a lot of tools to make Mexico pay, but will they be willing to do it with the hugely toxic relationship it will create, and the vast number of Mexicans within the country? I doubt it.

It's hardly a case of how, it's a case of if. Just like Trump promising to lock up Hillary it is - in my opinion - empty bluster which will never come to fruition due to the costs involved. The real question is how will the trump voters react when he doesn't deliver.

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The US does have a lot of tools to make Mexico pay, but will they be willing to do it with the hugely toxic relationship it will create, and the vast number of Mexicans within the country? I doubt it.

It's hardly a case of how, it's a case of if. Just like Trump promising to lock up Hillary it is - in my opinion - empty bluster which will never come to fruition due to the costs involved. The real question is how will the trump voters react when he doesn't deliver.

One word- Trump. Of course he'll act, despite the outrage. In his world, that's a feature, not a bug.

And unlike the Hillary quote, he's repeatedly said after the election that Mexico will pay for the wall. If he was going to back off he would have done it by now.

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It's hardly a case of how, it's a case of if. Just like Trump promising to lock up Hillary it is - in my opinion - empty bluster which will never come to fruition due to the costs involved. The real question is how will the trump voters react when he doesn't deliver.

I doubt they'll riot in the streets.

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Can't believe this topic has not been locked yet

upsetting americans is cool

upsetting terror and fundementalists not cool

supporting migrants raping germans cool

supporting brexit democracy not cool

upsetting muslims not cool

upsetting aussies cool

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Seems that some of the most admired countries by liberals, Japan, South Korea, Iceland, also have the lowest immigration and most ethnically homogenous societies in the world. Iceland in particular is so ethnically homogenous, and has been for centuries, that its the place for scientists doing research in genetics or biology to take sample data from. And its a country where a liberal/socialist wet dream, the Pirate Party, are making great gains and of course the country's players and fans were praised as being so amazing during the Euros in the summer. Interesting the route that developed countries with zero immigration go down and the achievements they make, and ironically amusing that they are so admired by strong pro-immigration exponents.

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Well, speaking as a liberal, the countries I most admire would be the Scandinavian countries, Canada and New Zealand - all have diverse populations with plenty of immigration. Iceland has a population a bit less than Preston, South Ribble and Chorley combined. I'm not sure you can draw many conclusions from such a small sample but Iceland has an immigrant population of 7%, against 9.5% for central Lancashire. But let's not get the facts get in the way of a good argument eh?

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There's alot to admire about Japan - gun control is just one of them. US take note.

Just to make it clear, among its many qualitites Japanese is to be admired because its people are polite, kind, respectful, intelligent, hard working and egalitarian; its industry is creative, innovative and dedicated to excellence, and the country is beautiful and clean. It has its problems, such as a rapidly aging population, but is seeking to address that by increasing immigration - the number of foreign workers has risen by 40 per cent since 2013, led by Chinese, Vietnamese and Filipinos. Right wing prats (note to moderators, his word not mine) would learn alot by visiting Japan.

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Had a great holiday in Iceland this year using Airbnb meaning we met a wide cross section of Icelandic people. Fabulous open and welcoming country. We were in Reykjavik for the France game - what a night! I digress.

Basically Europeans from the EEA/EFTA can arrive in Iceland without any form of visa or residency permit. On arrival apply for a social security number which is needed for work and the usual day to day stuff. We weren't told of any restrictions

Whoops! Sounds a lot like free movement of labour.

Anyone from outside Europe basically has to fill a role which cannot be filled by an Icelander or EE/EFTA worker. Marrying an Icelander also works.

I've yet to visit Japan or Korea so cannot comment on something I've yet to experience.

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Well, speaking as a liberal, the countries I most admire would be the Scandinavian countries, Canada and New Zealand - all have diverse populations with plenty of immigration. Iceland has a population a bit less than Preston, South Ribble and Chorley combined. I'm not sure you can draw many conclusions from such a small sample but Iceland has an immigrant population of 7%, against 9.5% for central Lancashire. But let's not get the facts get in the way of a good argument eh?

I did a bit more reading about this over lunch. The Icelandic population is currently 10% over 70, expected to be 20% by 2050. It's projected immigration will be required to fill vacancies arising from the ageing population to ensure the economy runs smoothly and generates the tax income the country needs.

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I did a bit more reading about this over lunch. The Icelandic population is currently 10% over 70, expected to be 20% by 2050. It's projected immigration will be required to fill vacancies arising from the ageing population to ensure the economy runs smoothly and generates the tax income the country needs.

Same here in Korea and for a decade or so in Japan. The Japanese are loathe to do so though, hence their economy is in negative growth. Enough Koreans are importing wives from Vietnam that the aging population may be averted. Diversity is on its way to the ROK though
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Had a great holiday in Iceland this year using Airbnb meaning we met a wide cross section of Icelandic people. Fabulous open and welcoming country. We were in Reykjavik for the France game - what a night! I digress.

Basically Europeans from the EEA/EFTA can arrive in Iceland without any form of visa or residency permit. On arrival apply for a social security number which is needed for work and the usual day to day stuff. We weren't told of any restrictions

Whoops! Sounds a lot like free movement of labour.

Anyone from outside Europe basically has to fill a role which cannot be filled by an Icelander or EE/EFTA worker. Marrying an Icelander also works.

I've yet to visit Japan or Korea so cannot comment on something I've yet to experience.

The rights of Icelanders are vastly superior to our rights.

And they lock up dodgy bankers.

A Briton marrying a non-EU citizen is totally unable to give any rights to the spouse whatsoever.

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https://storify.com/Ayei_Eloheichem/trump-the-russian-mob-and-the-fsb

Perhaps Trump is not long for the White House if this exposee of the Trump Organisation as a Russian mafia money launderer is correct.

If this was the other way round, Obama would be getting praised as a sensible peacemaker for diffusing tensions with a country boasting the world's biggest nuclear arsenal. Whilst Trump would be being lambasted as a warmongering maniac whose bitterness in defeat was threatening global annihilation.

I assume you were one of those on here who was staunchly against the UK decision to expand into Syria the bombing of IS, by far the most dangerous and most evil terrorist organisation on the planet. Yet you're all for Trump kicking off Cold War 2 over a cyber attack? Something that Russia and China attempt to carry out on western companies on a daily basis?

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