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When you've out of arguments throw in a lazy stereotype jibe and use it as another chance to have a pathetic pop at the Labour party

 

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Simply put, without the NHS: I'd never have been born (I'm an IVF baby). I'd have died in the womb (as did the triplets I was supposed to be part of). I'd have died at some point immedi

I didn't really want to get involved in this thread again, as emotions are very high, but I can't stand by and continue to be abused without putting my side across.  I'll try and quantify my view

And I’m going to have a Spanish beer from a Belgian glass, wearing an Italian band t-shirt ordered from a German website, and listening to some Bulgarian europop. You and the rest can stick Brexi

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3 hours ago, den said:

other brexiteers (who knows because most of them have gone very quiet since we left) are in denial of these problems, just as you/they were in denial that anything could possibly go wrong with brexit itself.

Den, we gone quiet cos Brexit has been delivered and left the EU. 

Some of us have been extremely busy with work and family life to think about Brexit to be honest. 

Yes they has been some problems but did you really expect to be problem free?

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7 minutes ago, Gav said:

Do you think Dennis Skinner thought that? Corbyn was a leaver also before he became leader?

How about the wonderful Tony Benn, another firm leaver?

 

 

How long has Tony Benn been dead for ? I can't speak for Skinner or Corbyn or my anti racist Irish Republican mate who voted for Brexit in the hope it would bring a United Ireland. However I know plenty of ex workmates and the usual suspects in the pub that thought exactly along those lines.

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4 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Den, we gone quiet cos Brexit has been delivered and left the EU. 

Some of us have been extremely busy with work and family life to think about Brexit to be honest. 

Yes they has been some problems but did you really expect to be problem free?

That's what we were told.

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2 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Always going to problems at the start of leaving the EU transition period. Just like a divorce of a marriage

" Easiest deal ever ", " Oven Ready " on and on. Just bullshit. There's a businessman in my paper who was drinking champagne on Dec 31st, now his wife is hiding the sharp knives.

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14 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Always going to problems at the start of leaving the EU transition period. Just like a divorce of a marriage

Michel Barnier last week - This is the new normal

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1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

 

Yes they has been some problems but did you really expect to be problem free?

You’re honestly asking me if I thought brexit would be problem free Chaddy? 👏

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Two examples in the " Sunday Observer " today. A woman bought some prints and frames from Sweden. £71.34 with free delivery. Now DHL want an " import duty " of £25.34 off her !

A bloke bought two pairs of trainers from Italy for E490 ( yes E490 ). His plan was to buy one pair and send the other pair back. DHL  now want £131 off him ! How he'll go on sending one pair back I don't know  but it'll be expensive, you can count on that !

" The post Brexit world is so tough for many that the government's own trade specialists are advising afflicted British entrepreneurs to relocate some of their operations out of the UK and into the EU.  This has to be one of the great absurdities of Brexit. British companies are being told by the British government that the way to survive is to to lay off British workers and transfer their jobs to folk across the channel ".  

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4 hours ago, Gav said:

I liken it to a change of government, it takes months, even years to get things running the way the party in charge wants it and often it never runs as expected (The debacle that is Universal credit being a prime example).

The remain supporting papers are making hay while the sun shines, every issue polarized to to nth degree to suit the readership, but in reality, I know from personal experience, that things are not as bad as the papers portray, we are importing and exporting with no extra cost, but some extra paperwork, we had our ducks in a row, many didn't. 

You're conflating two different things into one here Gav. The first is the huge increase in paperwork that's now involved in either importing or exporting to the EU. Some businesses like yours will have got on top of this and many won't especially given the vanishingly small amount of time they have had to work it out. But no doubt most will given time, although with significant extra costs involved in doing it.

But there are also many businesses which now simply don't make economic sense under the agreement, both in and out of the EU. And there's do doubt that it's the UK is worse off because of this. Anyone in the EU has 26 other countries to source from if they can't import economically from the EU. Any UK business doesn't without incurring extra costs unless it can be sourced from Great Britain. And if that's the case why weren't they doing it before? Probably cost.

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2 hours ago, den said:

You’re honestly asking me if I thought brexit would be problem free Chaddy? 👏

well Den, its yourself and others jumping on every negative and brexit problem news story. 

Like I said before always going to be problems just like a divorce of marriage. The first few months are rarely problem free. 

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7 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

well Den, its yourself and others jumping on every negative and brexit problem news story. 

Like I said before always going to be problems just like a divorce of marriage. The first few months are rarely problem free. 

You didn’t always say there were going to be problems at all Chaddy.

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7 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

well Den, its yourself and others jumping on every negative and brexit problem news story. 

Like I said before always going to be problems just like a divorce of marriage. The first few months are rarely problem free. 

As I said in the post above yours Chaddy that's one issue, which eventually will be sorted although at a cost to UK (and EU) businesses.

The more fundamental issue is that the agreement has now made the business models of hundreds of businesses either very much more difficult or just simply not worth it. Or they can only be fixed by setting up a business in the EU with resulting loss of revenue and jobs in the UK. This can't be fixed unless we go back and renegotiate the agreement and I can't imagine we will have much negotiating power in that scenario.

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2 hours ago, only2garners said:

You're conflating two different things into one here Gav. The first is the huge increase in paperwork that's now involved in either importing or exporting to the EU. Some businesses like yours will have got on top of this and many won't especially given the vanishingly small amount of time they have had to work it out. But no doubt most will given time, although with significant extra costs involved in doing it.

But there are also many businesses which now simply don't make economic sense under the agreement, both in and out of the EU. And there's do doubt that it's the UK is worse off because of this. Anyone in the EU has 26 other countries to source from if they can't import economically from the EU. Any UK business doesn't without incurring extra costs unless it can be sourced from Great Britain. And if that's the case why weren't they doing it before? Probably cost.

Can’t argue with much of that.

But I would contest the point that it costs more to trade outside this country, that’s not our experience so far and the paper work had certainly increased, but nothing like some are claiming, but if you’re a 1 man band, it’s going to be tough on the form filling front.

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4 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

well Den, its yourself and others jumping on every negative and brexit problem news story. 

 

The problems have only just started. Here's another Brexit bonus

https://www.ft.com/content/39f553a0-00c5-48ad-a8ee-0b9fd75554b0

I’ve not yet heard of any benefit accruing to anyone as a result of Brexit.  

Or do you have a different experience?

 

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18 hours ago, Gav said:

I'm not a brexiteer first and foremost.

Just to put you in the picture, this can be improved upon and streamlined as I've said above.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-55723270

We had no problem importing from EU last week, we’ll be exporting to Israel next week, I’ll let you know how it goes.

Israel isn't in the EU

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11 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

well Den, its yourself and others jumping on every negative and brexit problem news story. 

Like I said before always going to be problems just like a divorce of marriage. The first few months are rarely problem free. 

No we are not.

This thread would be thousands of pages long if we jumped on every negative.

It would have zero pages of we reported every positive because there aren't any.

By the way it is hugely amusing to see Brexit advocates expecting the Scots to vote rationally about logistical problems.

 

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16 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Always going to problems at the start of leaving the EU transition period. Just like a divorce of a marriage

You've only ever said that / believed that in 2021

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2 hours ago, philipl said:

By the way it is hugely amusing to see Brexit advocates expecting the Scots to vote rationally about logistical problems.

 

Juts on Scottish voting in general, specifically independence. 

I laughed out loud last week when I read one of our loudest vote remainers claiming Scotland should be allowed to regain 'Its sovereignty' by holding a new referendum.

The said poster has been telling anyone who would listen Brexit isn't about UK regaining sovereignty, but for the Scots it is 😂

You've got to love this site.

 

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10 hours ago, jim mk2 said:

The problems have only just started. Here's another Brexit bonus

https://www.ft.com/content/39f553a0-00c5-48ad-a8ee-0b9fd75554b0

I’ve not yet heard of any benefit accruing to anyone as a result of Brexit.  

Or do you have a different experience?

 

One benefit: Nobody's bragging about it anymore.

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7 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Well wasnt it obviously really? 

Yes it was obvious, but you've spent 4 years repeating quotes from pro-Brexit politicians telling us how easy it would be.

You've never really been one to highlight the problems of Brexit, only the supposed pluses of more sovereignty (which we've actually traded away).

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