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Just now, jim mk2 said:

Blimey, me stalker's replied with 26 lines instead of his usual one-liner thanks to the wonders of copy and paste.

Meanwhile, the Resolution Foundation has published a study painting a bleak picture for British living standards leading to the biggest rise in income equality since the Thatcher years.  Sterling devaluation as a result of Brexit and consequent higher inflation and rising prices in shops, hitting the poorest the most, coupled with flat income growth and cuts to working tax credits by Osborne will see the very people who voted for Brexit suffer the most in the coming years.

Happy Brexiteering! 

 

 

 

Ah bless, are you feeling persecuted Jim

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13 hours ago, jim mk2 said:

Oh dear - this isn't going to suit the Brexiteers' narrative. .

For all their Alternative Facts gloom about the eurozone economy and the supposed impact of Brexit, Italian bank weakness and the Greek financial crisis, latest Markit figures show that the eurozone is growing faster the US in posting 14 consecutive quarters of growth, job creation accelerating to a 9-year high and output growth is at a 5-year high.
 
Coupled to the likelihood that the populist movement in Europe is tailing off and that right wing groups will be defeated in forthcoming elections, and the renewed resolve of the 27 remaining members to make a success of the world's biggest trading bloc, and it appears that the much-heralded forthcoming demise of the European Union has been greatly exaggerated. 
 
 

 

Jim likes to cherry pick the bits that suit his agenda and ignore the rest. See yoda's post.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38762034

Interesting article on the BBC which delves a little further into patterns of the voting. Jist is that there's more correlation between educational attainment and what you voted for, than based on age, gender or ethnicity.

I think it underplays the association between age and educational attainment. Degree certificates skew younger, with barriers to attending uni lowering over time (not to mention the "complexity" of some of the softer degrees). So it probably still underestimates the impact of age on vote choice.

But it's an interesting consideration - I work with surveys occasionally and I never really look at educational attainment as a significant factor. Also thought it was an interesting point about "herd mentality" of youth.

If we didn't have to deal with the consequences (good and bad), this would be a gripping example of all sorts of societal dynamics.

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Interesting Bellamy, but not surprising in some ways. 

This takes the eye :-

"A statistical analysis of the data obtained for over a thousand individual local government wards confirms how the strength of the local Leave vote was strongly associated with lower educational qualifications."

in other words, the thick/uneducated voted leave, as did the predominantly racist, unintegrated older vote.

:lol:

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Just now, den said:

Interesting Bellamy, but not surprising in some ways. 

This takes the eye :-

"A statistical analysis of the data obtained for over a thousand individual local government wards confirms how the strength of the local Leave vote was strongly associated with lower educational qualifications."

in other words, the thick/uneducated voted leave, as did the predominantly racist, unintegrated older vote.

:lol:

Substitute the word 'leave' for 'Trump' and that's exactly what happened over here.

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It's strange how instead of wiping out prejudice and bigotry, society has merely replaced racism and sexism with things like ageism.  It's true that older generations have fewer degrees, the opportunities to go to university weren't as available as they are now.  It doesn't mean they're not as intelligent as the youngsters who are pushed through the modern system to meet government targets.  In fact, they're wizened through life experience and should be listened to rather than summarily dismissed.  The generations that chose to go into the EEC now think we should leave the EU, and they're better placed to make that call than the group who've never known any different.  

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3 hours ago, bellamy11 said:

Thanks for that. Picked out this:

In Blackburn with Darwen, Bastwell ward had the highest Remain vote at 65%, compared to only 44% in the area as a whole. This ward has an ethnic minority proportion of over 90%. Other Blackburn wards which voted Remain were also ones with high minority populations.

Considering that, overall, Remain voters are more progressive, better educated, more intelligent and highly unlikely to be racist or xenophobic like Leave voters, the figures reflect well on Blackburn's ethic minority and offer hope that the town's future is in good hands. Shame the white areas couldn't see what's in their best interests either. 

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Just now, jim mk2 said:

 

Thanks for that. Picked out this:

In Blackburn with Darwen, Bastwell ward had the highest Remain vote at 65%, compared to only 44% in the area as a whole. This ward has an ethnic minority proportion of over 90%. Other Blackburn wards which voted Remain were also ones with high minority populations.

Considering that, overall, Remain voters are more progressive, better educated, more intelligent and highly unlikely to be racist or xenophobic like Leave voters, the figures reflect well on Blackburn's ethic minority and offer hope that the town's future is in good hands. Shame the white areas couldn't see what's in their best interests either. 

Getting desperate now Jim, racism and personal abuse all in one post.

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Can any Brexiteer, in more than one line and without copying and pasting, say why and how a power battle by politicians in Westminster ("taking back sovereignty") from Brussels is going to translate into better lives for people in Blackburn? 

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10 minutes ago, jim mk2 said:

 

Thanks for that. Picked out this:

In Blackburn with Darwen, Bastwell ward had the highest Remain vote at 65%, compared to only 44% in the area as a whole. This ward has an ethnic minority proportion of over 90%. Other Blackburn wards which voted Remain were also ones with high minority populations.

Considering that, overall, Remain voters are more progressive, better educated, more intelligent and highly unlikely to be racist or xenophobic like Leave voters, the figures reflect well on Blackburn's ethic minority and offer hope that the town's future is in good hands. Shame the white areas couldn't see what's in their best interests either. 

Probably the most arrogant and insulting post you have ever made Jim. If you don't agree with Jim your intelligence is in doubt. Absolute rubbish.

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Just now, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

I'm out of the country at the moment but I just caught up with Kenneth Clark's speech prior to last weeks vote. He got it bang on. It appears several other Tories are having second thoughts now.

You must have missed the commons vote as well

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Just now, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

I'm out of the country at the moment but I just caught up with Kenneth Clark's speech prior to last weeks vote. He got it bang on. It appears several other Tories are having second thoughts now.

The Leave campaign, in addition to being a tissue of lies, never mentioned the "hard" Brexit as currently envisaged by Davis and his hard-right Eurosceptics. The prospect of leaving the single market ought to lead to a rebellion by the whole Commons (plaudits to the 47 Labour MPs who have rebelled) but Tory MPs won't rock the boat because of party unity, fear of losing their jobs and fear of May even though they know it's the right thing to do for the sake of the country.

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Just now, jim mk2 said:

The Leave campaign, in addition to being a tissue of lies, never mentioned the "hard" Brexit as currently envisaged by Davis and his hard-right Eurosceptics. The prospect of leaving the single market ought to lead to a rebellion by the whole Commons (plaudits to the 47 Labour MPs who have rebelled) but Tory MPs won't rock the boat because of party unity, fear of losing their jobs and fear of May even though they know it's the right thing to do for the sake of the country.

Did you mean fear of May Jim or fear of " The Mail " ?

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34 minutes ago, blueboy3333 said:

 

Vermin?  I thought they were human beings, however misguided you think them.  Though I suppose it is first necessary to dehumanize the enemy before one resorts to violence.  

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28 minutes ago, jim mk2 said:

Again with the vermin.  Do you liberals get common talking points via email or something?

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57 minutes ago, blueboy3333 said:

Lets hope they donate their windfalls to the victims of the vile child sex abuse that is epidemic in their town.

Maybe vermin should be reserved for the people who carried out the sex abuse?

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Just now, perthblue02 said:

Lets hope they donate their windfalls to the victims of the vile child sex abuse that is epidemic in their town.

Maybe vermin should be reserved for the people who carried out the sex abuse?

 

Can't see the champagne socialist making a donation to a good cause

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Just now, perthblue02 said:

Lets hope they donate their windfalls to the victims of the vile child sex abuse that is epidemic in their town.

Maybe vermin should be reserved for the people who carried out the sex abuse?

People who perpetrate these acts are vile scum who if I had my way would hang. People who accuse others of wrongly being complicit in a cover-up for these acts are indeed vermin. 

Why on earth should they 'donate their windfalls' for being put through hell? A very strange position to hold.

 

 

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25 minutes ago, Steve Moss said:

 

Vermin?  I thought they were human beings, however misguided you think them.  Though I suppose it is first necessary to dehumanize the enemy before one resorts to violence.  

No, they are vermin. If you think accusing someone of being complicit in a child-abuse cover-up in order to score cheap political points is merely 'misguided' then you have lost all perspective. 

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