OldEwoodBlue 1632 Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 Liverpool deserved to win it last season but somehow City deserved it 1 point more. Both were immense last season...almost unbelievable. This season Liverpool just carried on relentless. Brilliant and well deserved. City had to cope with replacing Kompany (IMO) and missed him in certain games. They could be unstoppable but couldn't find a way to win 1-0 in the games they were average. Winning week in week out for 2 whole seasons is really not a VAR conspiracy Stuart. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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roversfan99 8673 Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 A lot of people have mentioned the loss of Kompany but whilst I appreciate that he was a leader and he did score that wonder goal v Leicester, I think his loss is a little overstated in terms of being the MAIN reason. He was physically very much on the wane and played less than half of the League games in each of his last 4 seasons. More important I think has been the loss of Laporte to injury. Most teams tend to have a main defender and he makes the others beside him look perhaps a tad better than they are, Laporte is a brilliant player but he has suffered a major injury and then with niggles since. None of Stones, Fernandinho (at CB) or Otamendi are top level centre backs but with one next to Laporte it is a different picture. Same I suspect with Liverpool, I think Gomez and Matip (Lovren less so) are decent defenders but take Van Dijk away and the cracks would appear. Or ourselves, Adarabioyo looked the shadow of the player weve seen when not next to Lenihan. And even Williams put together a bit of form with Lenihan next to him. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stuart 16701 Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 27 minutes ago, OldEwoodBlue said: Winning week in week out for 2 whole seasons is really not a VAR conspiracy Stuart. Well, it helped turn -1 point into +25 points. And turned second into first. Conspiracy is your word but they certainly got the rub of the green when it came to decisions and referrals. Frequently a controversial decision wasn’t event reviewed - or if it was, it was done on the quiet. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tom 10765 Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 Liverpool fans aiming fireworks at the liver building causing a small fire earlier Reports there’s been a stabbing too, what is wrong with some people? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rigger 3174 Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 6 hours ago, Tom said: Liverpool fans aiming fireworks at the liver building causing a small fire earlier Reports there’s been a stabbing too, what is wrong with some people? There will be piles of flowers and floods of tears. The bin dippers love a lament. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Eddie 786 Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 I somewhat agree with Stuart, but overall Liverpool are deserving champions. There's no denying the fact that there were a number of harsh decisions against City early in the season and a number of favourable ones for Liverpool. This allowed them to create a gap that effectively killed the title race and put a huge amount of pressure on City in every match. Overall, I think Liverpool are the most consistent side, but I still think City at their best (which hasn't been seen often this season) are the best side. Some years are like that. Even the match against Chelsea encapsulated that. City were brilliant for 30 minutes of that second half and should have gone ahead, but they simply aren't solid enough at the back. I'm sure that they will bring in another defender or two in the summer and I fully expect them to win the title next year. Liverpool are a very good side and their ability to grind out results and win when they aren't playing that well is incredibly impressive, but they wouldn't crack my list of top 5 sides that I've seen in the Premier League. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
philipl 7032 Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 On 25/06/2020 at 23:28, frosty said: Congratulations to by far and away the best team this season, thoroughly deserved. Welcome to the Premier League winners club too. 7 of us now.... 4 in the North West, 2 in London, 1 in the East Midlands. If they keep their manager, Wolves to be the first from the West Midlands? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stuart 16701 Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 1 hour ago, Eddie said: I somewhat agree with Stuart, but overall Liverpool are deserving champions. There's no denying the fact that there were a number of harsh decisions against City early in the season and a number of favourable ones for Liverpool. This allowed them to create a gap that effectively killed the title race and put a huge amount of pressure on City in every match. Overall, I think Liverpool are the most consistent side, but I still think City at their best (which hasn't been seen often this season) are the best side. Some years are like that. Even the match against Chelsea encapsulated that. City were brilliant for 30 minutes of that second half and should have gone ahead, but they simply aren't solid enough at the back. I'm sure that they will bring in another defender or two in the summer and I fully expect them to win the title next year. Liverpool are a very good side and their ability to grind out results and win when they aren't playing that well is incredibly impressive, but they wouldn't crack my list of top 5 sides that I've seen in the Premier League. A fair summation. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
philipl 7032 Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 The gap between Liverpool and City is greater than Norwich's points total. Somehow, I think there are no caveats, Liverpool have absolutely crushed the Premier League this year. And for all its faults, there is zero certainty they will repeat the Premier League victory next season. Whereas it is one of two in Scotland and Spain, PSG in France, Bayern in Germany, Juventus in Italy, Ajax in the Netherlands, Red Bull in Austria. OK those other leagues should just pack up and the players concentrate on Qatar 22. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mattyblue 14876 Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 One of two in Scotland? Celtic have just won their 9th consecutive title... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
OldEwoodBlue 1632 Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 5 minutes ago, Mattyblue said: One of two in Scotland? Celtic have just won their 9th consecutive title... Only with an * ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
davulsukur 4363 Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 10 hours ago, Tom said: Liverpool fans aiming fireworks at the liver building causing a small fire earlier Reports there’s been a stabbing too, what is wrong with some people? Stabbing is a word that seems to be associated with pretty much every event these days. Absolutely disgraceful that people even consider taking a blade with them when they go out to something like that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mattyblue 14876 Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 10 hours ago, Tom said: Liverpool fans aiming fireworks at the liver building causing a small fire earlier Just a building to a lot of them. They probably wouldn’t dream of doing it to their own civic buildings; you know like Guildford cathedral or Preston town hall. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
oldjamfan1 4899 Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 14 hours ago, Stuart said: They’ve had help. It’s been discussed before and I’ve highlighted the incidents (e.g. clear and obvious non-referrals that don’t make it into the stats) in the games that they happened - feel free to dig back - which is why people (oh so charmingly) say things like “a stuck record”. Once they got away from City there was no looking back and they certainly capitalised on the breaks they got. But there no denying they got them. In any case, it’s been about the worst PL season in living memory, and not just because of VAR or COVID. Nice of you to make your posts so full of personal jibes though, Andy. That says more about you than me so I don’t need to respond in kind. They weren’t personal jibes at you as such Stuart as I don’t know you. I’m only talking about your continually obsessive remarks about Liverpool. Even City and Utd fans on the whole accept they deserved it. At what point would you stop saying “I’m right and everybody else is wrong”? I begrudge everything Man United have ever won but I would and have recognised when they have been the best team in the league, which has been very often in the past 25-30 years. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stuart 16701 Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 38 minutes ago, oldjamfan1 said: At what point would you stop saying “I’m right and everybody else is wrong”? Why does that even need to be a thing? I don’t expect you to agree with me, nor should you, for some reason, need me to agree with you. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
oldjamfan1 4899 Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 Just now, Stuart said: Why does that even need to be a thing? I don’t expect you to agree with me, nor should you, for some reason, need me to agree with you. I really don’t. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
davulsukur 4363 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 (edited) Liverpool fans now claiming (on facebook,of course) that man Utd haven't won the Premier League because prior to 2016 it was "called" Barclays/Carling Premier League. Not quite grasped the concept of a sponsor/league name Edited June 28, 2020 by davulsukur Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mattyblue 14876 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 (edited) So, Man Utd, Man City, Chelsea and Arsenal in the cup semi finals... exciting new world. Edited June 28, 2020 by Mattyblue Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stuart 16701 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 Some disgusting videos on social media of exactly what a Liverpool title win looks like. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JHRover 12524 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 Good news for the sponsors and tv rights people. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Darrenbot 486 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 38 minutes ago, Mattyblue said: So, Man Utd, Man City, Chelsea and Arsenal in the cup semi finals... exciting new world. The BBC are currently wetting themselves at the prospect of viewing figures for the semi finals and final while the rest of us not supporters of of the 4 are saying same old sh*t again Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DE. 12102 Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 12 hours ago, Mattyblue said: So, Man Utd, Man City, Chelsea and Arsenal in the cup semi finals... exciting new world. The magic of the cup... won by Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Man Utd or Man City in all but two years since 1996. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tyrone Shoelaces 12345 Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 1 hour ago, DE. said: The magic of the cup... won by Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Man Utd or Man City in all but two years since 1996. When I first got interested these were the first decade of finalists from memory - 59, Forest v Luton 60, Rovers v Wolves 61, Spurs v Leicester 62, Spurs V Dingles 63, Man Utd v Leicester 64, West Ham V Preston 65, Liverpool v Leeds 66, Everton v Sheff Wed 67, Spurs V Chelsea 68, Everton v West Brom 69, Man City v Leicester Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mattyblue 14876 Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, DE. said: The magic of the cup... won by Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Man Utd or Man City in all but two years since 1996. Yet in the 25 years before (1970 to 1995), there were 14 different winners. Pundits can cheerlead all they want about the ‘fantastic modern spectacle’, fitter players and a quicker game? Fine. But the truth is it’s a shadow of what it was as a competitive sport, and all the poorer for it, especially for younger fans that have never known anything different. Edited June 29, 2020 by Mattyblue Quote Link to post Share on other sites
speeeeeeedie 874 Posted June 29, 2020 Author Share Posted June 29, 2020 4 hours ago, DE. said: The magic of the cup... won by Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Man Utd or Man City in all but two years since 1996. I did not know that so I checked. In the last 30 years there have only been 2 finals without one of the above; 1991 - Spurs v. Forest and 2008 - Portsmouth v. Cardiff. I have never been a big fan of the FA cup, the above may be why. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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