JAL 723 Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 (edited) Danny Rose is well off the pace. Another dummy . Loftus cheek needs to just up his fitness and he'd start for me with Ali. Loftus Cheeks fitness needs to be at or above the level of Lingaards for me. Edited June 7, 2018 by JAL Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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Moderation Lead K-Hod 9651 Posted June 7, 2018 Moderation Lead Share Posted June 7, 2018 Like the other night, truly a game of two halves. Now it’s 2-0... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Husky 1961 Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 On 06/06/2018 at 18:47, Audax said: I'm not into this World Cup as I have been in other ones. Perhaps playing the Danny Welbeck World Cup Drinking Game could revive interest? In England's final group game he could go head to head against The poor man's Heskey (Lukaku). Double the fun, hic! ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
joey_big_nose 3058 Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 Watched all the warm up games. Think the first xi will be ----------------------Pickford --------Walker----Stones----Maguire Trippier--------Henderson---------Rose ---------Lingard--------------------Alli ---------------Kane-------Rashford It's a big call to drop Sterling, but Rashford was superb. Harsh for Dier to be dropped but think Henderson has edged it, and the system doesn't really work with both of them in there. Rest of team picks itself I think. Stones at centre of defence worries me a bit, but I think Southgate will definitely go for it. Were nowhere near the level of France, Germany etc. talent-wise but I have admiration for how Southgate has pulled the team together with a smart system. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
roverandout 1590 Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 Still think rashford is far better than stirling.. (sterling?). . I would say he is easily equal to mbappe ability wise Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Moderation Lead K-Hod 9651 Posted June 7, 2018 Moderation Lead Share Posted June 7, 2018 A bit generous to say Rashford is better than Sterling. Compare their numbers and Rashford is nowhere near him... To be fair, we should be playing the both of them and Kane IMO. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chaddyrovers 6067 Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 (edited) My team would be Pickford Walker Stones Maguire Tripper Lingard Dier Ali Rose Kane Sterling Tough on Rashford but its really good to see so much competition for places. Edited June 7, 2018 by chaddyrovers Quote Link to post Share on other sites
roverandout 1590 Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 I just meant talent wise..if mourinho played rashford in his proper position second or first striker, he could easily get 20 goals a season Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RV Blue 1326 Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 3 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said: My team would be Pickford Walker Stones Maguire Walker Lingard Dier Ali Rose Kane Sterling Tough on Rashford but its really good to see so much competition for places. Two Walkers, bold. What about two Kanes up top? Would be unstoppable. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
roverandout 1590 Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 19 minutes ago, RV Blue said: Two Walkers, bold. What about two Kanes up top? Would be unstoppable. 2 sterlings..oh shit ones bad enough Quote Link to post Share on other sites
roversfan99 8654 Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 56 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said: My team would be Pickford Walker Stones Maguire Tripper Lingard Dier Ali Rose Kane Sterling Tough on Rashford but its really good to see so much competition for places. Henderson for Dier, otherwise id pick the same team. Better on the ball, more progressive in his passing, better positionally, more of a leader, had a far better season individually. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JacknOry 4784 Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 21 hours ago, bazza said: My prediction for winner is........................Belgium Decent odds for an outside bet. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
philipl 7032 Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 England will have a decent world cup by recent standards until the second knock out round when they face either Brazil or Germany. Both are beatable by England but won't be. For once unless Colombia show hidden capabilities, coming first or second in our group isn't going to matter much for getting through the first knock out round. I expect England v Belgium to be a draw despite Belgium being comfortably the better side. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mattyblue 14855 Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 (edited) Great piece in The Times today talking to England players from 1954 until 2014. Bryan Douglas talks about ‘58 and ‘62. It’s probably behind a paywall, so: Edited June 9, 2018 by Mattyblue Quote Link to post Share on other sites
roverandout 1590 Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, philipl said: England will have a decent world cup by recent standards until the second knock out round when they face either Brazil or Germany. Both are beatable by England but won't be. For once unless Colombia show hidden capabilities, coming first or second in our group isn't going to matter much for getting through the first knock out round. I expect England v Belgium to be a draw despite Belgium being comfortably the better side. Agree on paper..dont think belgium are that much better..lukaku is overrated.had a poor domestic season at united..their defenders are injury prone..admittedly de bruyne hazard and cortouis are world class..if we can start with ali, kane, sterling and rashford we can give any team a problem Edited June 9, 2018 by roverandout Quote Link to post Share on other sites
blueboy3333 8316 Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 13 minutes ago, Mattyblue said: Great piece in The Times today talking to England players from 1954 until 2014. Bryan Douglas talks about ‘58 and ‘62. It’s probably behind a paywall, so: Thanks for that. His pride at being from Blackburn and playing for Rovers stands out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mattyblue 14855 Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 He has a couple of lines through the rest of the article On Alf Ramsay: ’He didn’t know the players like Walter Winterbottom, he was a bit naive at first. To be honest, the lads took the piss out of him, although he obviously learnt quick’ On wages: ’’I went from £14 to £17 to £20 a week. Then Jimmy Hill got involved. I went to a function with Jimmy McIllroy, who told me Burnley were offering him £50. ‘Bloody hell Jimmy’, I said. ‘How are you going to spend 50 quid in Burnley?’. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Norbert Rassragr 1509 Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 I think England will do better than the last few tournaments. Southgate has not made a tit of himself yet, and it seems that there are fewer egos than the last few squads. And by better I mean actually competing in the group games and probably getting through rather than losing to Tunisia 4-2. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
philipl 7032 Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 Brilliant piece on Douglas. Was enjoying my early Saturday morning walk and realised the World Cup starts five days from now- zero buzz or evidence of it. Not seen any adverts or merchandising relating to it. Ok only been in five countries recently and all did not qualify but still... Tried another thought experiment and realised that this is the first World Cup I have been old enough to know about such things (ie since 1962) that I know nobody going to the World Cup to watch it from the stands (as opposed to watching from the subs bench...). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
roversfan99 8654 Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 1 hour ago, roverandout said: Agree on paper..dont think belgium are that much better..lukaku is overrated.had a poor domestic season at united..their defenders are injury prone..admittedly de bruyne hazard and cortouis are world class..if we can start with ali, kane, sterling and rashford we can give any team a problem I dont think you can fit all 4 of them in the same team. Its Sterling or Rashford and for me, Sterling is a more complete player off the back of a superb season. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
speeeeeeedie 874 Posted June 9, 2018 Author Share Posted June 9, 2018 5 hours ago, philipl said: England will have a decent world cup by recent standards until the second knock out round when they face either Brazil or Germany. Both are beatable by England but won't be. For once unless Colombia show hidden capabilities, coming first or second in our group isn't going to matter much for getting through the first knock out round. I expect England v Belgium to be a draw despite Belgium being comfortably the better side. England definitely have the attacking talent to beat teams, but shakiness and inexperience elsewhere will be their undoing. I'm with the majority opinion on here that Southgate will pick 2 from Sterling, Rashford, and Alli to play behind Kane. I think Sterling is in; he's played well all season, and has a World Cup under his belt. Rashford is dynamic, but Alli plays well with Kane. Colombia won more games at the last World Cup than all their previous appearances combined. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
joey_big_nose 3058 Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 5 hours ago, Norbert Rassragr said: I think England will do better than the last few tournaments. Southgate has not made a tit of himself yet, and it seems that there are fewer egos than the last few squads. And by better I mean actually competing in the group games and probably getting through rather than losing to Tunisia 4-2. I feel the same way, but then I felt the same way a week before the tournament every time England have qualified. Always seems like things are looking up going into the finals then you get kicked in the nuts! I will say this though, much as I think Allardyce is a very very good manager and gets too much stick, I am happy he got the boot so we could adopt an attacking setup. If Sam was in charge we would be grinding it out with 451. At least we should - win or lose - be entertaining to watch under Southgate Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Audax 439 Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 Boy, some people don't miss a chance to stick it to England. Don't count me among them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chaddyrovers 6067 Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 This is being reported as England Starting 11 for the 1st game https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/6486113/england-marcus-rashford-world-cup-starting-xi-tunisia/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Norbert Rassragr 1509 Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 I can't see Sterling as a conventional forward or number 10. He can be a bit selfish and over estimate his shooting ability. He's more of a winger, whereas Rashord is a forward made to play as a winger at Man Utd. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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