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He has a couple of lines through the rest of the article On Alf Ramsay: ’He didn’t know the players like Walter Winterbottom, he was a bit naive at first. To be honest, the lads took the pis

Great piece in The Times today talking to England players from 1954 until 2014. Bryan Douglas talks about ‘58 and ‘62. It’s probably behind a paywall, so:      

Bullshit. They were nasty and tried every dirty trick in the book. Got what they deserved - out. 

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Just now, roverandout said:

Colombia have 1 or 2 quality players...i would fancy us to beat them 9 times out of ten

That's a bit of a rose tinted perspective in my view. Player for player they are on our level. James is a better player than anyone we have. They've got a lot of pace and skill across the side.

Sort of team who could easily knock us out.  That just reality, no point getting carried away at the moment.

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1 hour ago, Rover_Shaun said:

Fat Sam would have picked a team of has beens and fired exocets at Kane's throat.  We'd of drawn v Tunisia and won 1-0 today. He'd then set up not to concede v Belgium then been floundering when we conceded. Him and Sammy Lee would have wasted another 4 years on donkeys.

Or we'd have won both games also.

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22 minutes ago, joey_big_nose said:

That's a bit of a rose tinted perspective in my view. Player for player they are on our level. James is a better player than anyone we have. They've got a lot of pace and skill across the side.

Sort of team who could easily knock us out.  That just reality, no point getting carried away at the moment.

No kane is better than anything they have.. couldnt get in the real madrid team..loaned out to  bayern..did nothing there

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Just now, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Couldn't get in the Real Madrid team, he must be crap then. 

I never said he was crap..not denying colombia have some good players but man for man we are better than them..maybe 9 times out of ten was steep..7 times out of 10 is more realistic

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10 hours ago, Ewood Ace said:

From what I have heard and read people just need to calm down a bit about England yes its great to win 2 from 2 but having seen every team twice, I think that we have probably played the two worst teams in the tournament. It is a real worry that we have conceded in both games especially as we have been under hardly any pressure defensively, I worry what may happen when we come up against a good attacking team. Also I keep hearing about how good and dangerous England look going forward but only two of our goals have not come from set pieces and one of them was a fluke, we need to start scoring more from open play as when we play a good organised team you aren't going to get free headers at goal or penalties from naïve fouls . 

We’ve only played two games!

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Does it matter where the goals come from? Big feather in our cap that we seem to be great in dead ball situations as teams will be very wary of that. Goals from open play will come too but I would take goals from corners, penalties and free kicks all day long if it means we continue to progress in the tournament.

Anyway, technically you could say Stones second was from open play when Sterling really should have buried it himself.

 

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9 hours ago, roverandout said:

I never said he was crap..not denying colombia have some good players but man for man we are better than them..maybe 9 times out of ten was steep..7 times out of 10 is more realistic

I'd prefer not to play them in the next round. If they play like they did last night I'd want at least a one goal start before I'd back England. We'd struggle with the sheer pace they play the game at.

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2 hours ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

I'd prefer not to play them in the next round. If they play like they did last night I'd want at least a one goal start before I'd back England. We'd struggle with the sheer pace they play the game at.

We also have pace

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Lingard does look excellent, particularly in the system that Southgate has created. It's ideal for him. 

From his perspective he will need to watch what happens at Man Utd next year. I think he may not be a first team starter if they make all their signings - if they get a top level partner for Pogba he won't play. If that turns out to be the case he should be moving elsewhere - even if he has to go abroad. Suspect he will suck it up and sit on the bench though, like far too many English players. Plus United will probably ask for ridiculous money for him which no interested party can afford.

The trials of being a decent English player.

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58 minutes ago, roverandout said:

Anyone else thinking lingard is turning into a really top player?

Certainly outperforming some of the bigger names expected to do well. Sterling and Ali in particular have always had trouble bringing their club form to the England team.

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Just now, roverandout said:

Colombia did this against a pedestrian, one paced side..wait till they come up against a decent team before judging them

Couldn't the same be said about England?They have done well and Southgate seems to have created a good team spirit and the tactics been spot on but they have played nobody yet

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Senegal Japan 4 points,  draw and win.

Colombia 3 points.....lost versus Japan, play Senegal next.....

I do think, the majority probably think Colombia will take Senegal, it might take them until after halftime or so to do it.  So, the challenge is up to Senegal, draw or better, Senegal advances.   Senegal defeated that pedestrian side only with that fluke goal. Otherwise, a draw was in the making. I wouldn't judge a team on one match. Colombia lost to Japan of all teams. So, Senegal has their chance. Can they exploit it?

 

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Just now, islander200 said:

Couldn't the same be said about England?They have done well and Southgate seems to have created a good team spirit and the tactics been spot on but they have played nobody yet

The last year has been harsh on Panama but they did well enough in the qualifiers; using the kind of reasoning that Panama and Tunisia are not good teams, that England got in a poor group, Belgium only defeated Panama 3-0,  it took them some time to break Panama down. England's appearance clearly was stronger.

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On 24/06/2018 at 13:25, Vinjay17 said:

What a lazy simplistic view. They aren't in England or Belgium's class hardly makes them rubbish. First time qualified for WC they are entitled to be treated with a bit more respect.

You have a bloody cheek pulling someone up for holding a 'lazy, simplistic view' (see below). And as it happens the poster was proved to be totally correct, Panama were rubbish.

On 24/06/2018 at 13:38, Vinjay17 said:

That typical latin temperament I guess. They did look a little hot headed at times in their last game. Didn't go "over the top" though in my view but I didn't see the entire game either.

 

23 hours ago, Vinjay17 said:

Is it one of those christenings where the parents never set foot in a church for years afterwards? If so should have just stayed at home.

 

16 hours ago, Vinjay17 said:

Pablo Escobar's ghost still lingering probably...can't imagine how many pitch invasions there were in Colombia in the 80's, early 90's all those white lines...

 

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