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26 minutes ago, arbitro said:

That is the process now. The VAR constantly review incidents involving every goal, sending off, penalties and mistaken identity. If the VAR feels there has been a clear and obvious error in any of these then the on field referee is advised to look at the pitch side screen. As I have said before once an incident is sent for review only an extremely brave referee will go against the advice of the VAR.

Nope it's two way at the moment. Ref can request a review as well as be advised to review by the VAR team. 

I'm suggesting the option for the ref to request is removed to make the ref more decisive and remove the incentive for the players and managers to demand VAR from him.

 

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He has a couple of lines through the rest of the article On Alf Ramsay: ’He didn’t know the players like Walter Winterbottom, he was a bit naive at first. To be honest, the lads took the pis

Great piece in The Times today talking to England players from 1954 until 2014. Bryan Douglas talks about ‘58 and ‘62. It’s probably behind a paywall, so:      

Bullshit. They were nasty and tried every dirty trick in the book. Got what they deserved - out. 

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48 minutes ago, Gladwingone said:

Portugal game was a complete joke last night (Referee / VAR).

Spain last goal was onside and proved the success of VAR.

The good and the bad within minutes.

 

I think the problem is not VAR but the referee and his use of it.

If the ref decides something he needs to have the balls to stand by his decision and book players asking for VAR every 2 minutes. I AM THE REFEREE NOW TAKE THIS YELLOW CARD AND SHUT YOUR MOUTH.

When Ronaldo got booked it was ridiculous. He should have booked the Iranian player for play acting.

 

My conclusion :-

VAR a success. More training for referees required on it's use.

It just ruins the game for me, stopping the game waiting for the referee to go and watch a TV in the stand. It must be crap for those in the stands actually at the game without the benefit of TV cameras showing whats going on. There was a game a couple of days ago where I think it was Saudi Arabia or someone scores, celebrated for 5 minutes, then it went to VAR and was disalowed. It might be the right decision but its ruining the flow of a game. 

Why cant they just make it like goal line tech, where the assistant VAR referee buzzes the referees watch if its a clear offense thats been missed. Game carries on unless the refs watch goes off. 

Or accept referees are humans and make mistakes just like players..its a human sport. Errors are often what provide the excitement and talking points. 

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Just hid a few posts from yesterday completely unrelated to football. If you've anything to say re perceived BBC bias or leadership of participating countries, then do it in ICBINF please.

Thanks in advance.

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15 hours ago, Hasta said:

6 minutes injury time added. Then it takes 3 minutes to review VAR and for penalty to be taken.

Game ends on 97 minutes.

Farce.

I questioned this in a post the other day. Added time is clearly made up in most cases.

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33 minutes ago, Husky said:

I questioned this in a post the other day. Added time is clearly made up in most cases.

Time keeping is one area where I believe the game can be improved and something that is consistent and transparent. In Rugby League the referee simply tells the timekeeper when to start and stop time for any reason. They have a fluid system for substitutions so pretty much the clock stops for injuries and reviews by the studio official. Rugby League players don't waste time with restarts but footballers do invariably in the knowledge that all the consumed time is unlikely to be added. Having an independent time keeper might alleviate this.

It would relieve an unnecessary pressure from the referee.

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4 hours ago, K-Hod said:

Just hid a few posts from yesterday completely unrelated to football. If you've anything to say re perceived BBC bias or leadership of participating countries, then do it in ICBINF please.

Thanks in advance.

Surely VAR talk should be in the designated VAR forum only.

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7 hours ago, arbitro said:

That is the process now. The VAR constantly review incidents involving every goal, sending off, penalties and mistaken identity. If the VAR feels there has been a clear and obvious error in any of these then the on field referee is advised to look at the pitch side screen. As I have said before once an incident is sent for review only an extremely brave referee will go against the advice of the VAR.

How did Ronaldo get away with a yellow and not a red for his forearm smash on the Iranian defender after several reviews. Then the penalty incident, deliberate handball my derrier.

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16 hours ago, arbitro said:

What FIFA are trying to do Tom is turn the decision making process in football into an exact science but that can never, ever happen. The vast majority of VAR referrals and ultimately decisions are still based on opinion not fact. I disagree with the Portugal penalty but you think it was one. Who is correct? The game has been around for well over 100 years and has managed by giving autonomy to the referee and his assistants to make decisions. It is farcical in my opinion. (but my opinion isn't fact) ?.

The referee leaving the field of play to watch a TV screen seems so antiquated and old hat technology, when he can have a drop down lense positioned at focal length to see the same footage without having to leave the field of play.

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Just now, JAL said:

How did Ronaldo get away with a yellow and not a red for his forearm smash on the Iranian defender after several reviews. Then the penalty incident, deliberate handball my derrier.

Isn't that the beauty of football John? I didn't think Ronaldo was guilty of violent conduct, I saw it as more of a flailing arm as he tried to get past the Iranian who was doing his best to block him. The handball isn't really open to debate and you have to seriously question the referee and VAR as to why they thought that was a deliberate act.

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Just now, JAL said:

The referee leaving the field of play to watch a TV screen seems so antiquated and old hat technology, when he can have a drop down lense positioned at focal length to see the same footage without having to leave the field of play.

It's the whole VAR process which I believe is flawed. I don't think it makes any difference where he reviews any incidents.

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51 minutes ago, Husky said:

Surely VAR talk should be in the designated VAR forum only.

Not if it relates to games in the World Cup.....

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Peru scores against the Socceroos.  1-0 Very early.

Or is it Peroo and the Soccerus.... anyway, the odds are long for Aus to advance but they have to try their best, hope for the best.

 

 

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I thought Peru were desperately unlucky against Denmark and very good against the French. They just seemed to lack a top class striker up front.

By way of contrast Denmark have been as dull as dishwasher. I think it's a real shame they look set to advance and not the spirited Peruvians.

France are hardly any better.

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In 2006, France had what? 2 draws and had to finally start defeating Togo in about the 65th minute of that 3rd game and then, they ended up going to the final, not always in a style I'd agree with btw.... I think France will do just fine.

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33 minutes ago, Audax said:

BTW, for those not watching this match, Tim Cahill at 38 years old, came on for Australia. They are playing a little better now, 19 minutes in normal time.

At least the sponsors of the Aussie team will be happy now Golden boy got game time, I presume the striker who has been bang on form towards the end of season (granted it was in the Scottish Prem ) was injured hence no minutes in a team that was struggling to score

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As much as I'd rather not see it, I think Argentina will prevail and advance. My best to the Super Eagles who looked pretty good in game 2. Nigeria's manager is the German, Rohr.... maybe he will have a winning plan.

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3 hours ago, arbitro said:

Isn't that the beauty of football John? I didn't think Ronaldo was guilty of violent conduct, I saw it as more of a flailing arm as he tried to get past the Iranian who was doing his best to block him. The handball isn't really open to debate and you have to seriously question the referee and VAR as to why they thought that was a deliberate act.

For me VAR nothing to do with the Ronaldo incident. If the ref watches the incident and thinks it's deliberate, then it's red, if he doesn't then it's no card. IMO he wasn't sure, so went for a half-way house of yellow which it clearly wasnt. Again the handball incident isn't VARs fault, the ref should have looked once, then made the correct decision. Personally I have no issue reviewing that type of decision, especially in the last few mins of a game.

Still have no idea how Spain topped that group, they where poor in every game.

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1 minute ago, Baz said:

For me VAR nothing to do with the Ronaldo incident. If the ref watches the incident and thinks it's deliberate, then it's red, if he doesn't then it's no card. IMO he wasn't sure, so went for a half-way house of yellow which it clearly wasnt. Again the handball incident isn't VARs fault, the ref should have looked once, then made the correct decision. Personally I have no issue reviewing that type of decision, especially in the last few mins of a game.

Still have no idea how Spain topped that group, they where poor in every game.

I though they were excellent against Portugal, and it was only an incredible Ronaldo performance that stopped them. 

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Think Argentinia could rip Nigeria a new one after being shouted at by the infamous drugs cheat.

Crying is for when you're knocked out, not after a group defeat. Still can't believe what an overreaction there was after they lost to Croatia.

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