VAR

[AllRoverAsia]

On 20/02/2018 at 18:43, perthblue02 said:

If it is anything like goal line technology , it has to be approved by FIFA who collect a nice licencing fee for each system installed, obviously money is not the reason that FIFA are in favour of VAR . Call me cynical but I expect it to interrupt games a lot during the world cup $$$$$$

Le Floc’h also revealed that Fifa were in discussions with potential sponsors for the VAR system, adding: “We are talking to various technological companies who are very interested with what we are doing on the technology side of things.”

VAR usage at the World Cup is likely to lead to delays in games in Russia as different angles are reviewed, potentially allowing Fifa to brand the segment on the global broadcast feed.

http://www.sportspromedia.com/news/fifa-in-talks-with-potential-sponsors-after-confirming-var-for-2018-world

In a few years from now high level football matches will last for 3-4 hours.

Advertising heaven in a global market.

Football is now a TV product and they will max the $/£/E returns.

[Hasta]

Anyone want to have a go at defending that latest VAR catastrophe at Wembley tonight?

[JBiz]

Ruining this game.

[Norbert Rassragr]

This shows VAR shouldn't be used in football as the people who trial it, and use it are thick as mince. Takes too long, crowd are not informed. Football is too stupid to use it efficiently.

[Stuart]

25 minutes ago, Norbert Rassragr said:

This shows VAR shouldn't be used in football as the people who trial it, and use it are thick as mince. Takes too long, crowd are not informed. Football is too stupid to use it efficiently.

This

[Norbert Rassragr]

Well, the authorities are, and a section of fans who follow the Harry Redknapp route of refusing to ever think about learning from other sports or jobs that are not football.

[Tom]

It's ridiculous - I love it!

[Rover_Shaun]

Too many shades of grey in football. 

Rugby use it for trys. Trys are not open to interpretation the ball is either grounded or not. If they are not sure they don't give it.

It's worked for 140 years leave it alone

Edited February 28, 2018 by Rover_Shaun

[JAL]

3 hours ago, Hasta said:

Anyone want to have a go at defending that latest VAR catastrophe at Wembley tonight?

Its in its infancy !

No going back now !

 

[AllRoverAsia]

I feel a song coming on, "Video Killed the Football Star".

The International Football Association Board (IFAB), which rules on the game's laws, meets on Saturday to decide whether to approve the technology permanently following its trial period.

If it does, then FIFA is committed to using the system at the World Cup but UEFA has said it won't be deployed in next season's Champions League.

I believe VAR is here to stay because TV loves it and they pay for football.

It will be refined over time with live video and audio on VAR decision making available to spectators in the ground and much more importantly to the TV watching millions.

Like T20 cricket expect dancing girls and firework displays when a goal is finally awarded although before or after the advert is the big question. A cartoon of a player having a hissy-fit if disallowed?

Anyway I learnt something last night as I did not know it was a bookable offence to 'stutter' in the run up to taking a penalty.

What next, why not outlaw body swerves and feints, step overs or indeed any form of creative play such as 'dribbling' with the ball that deliberately dupes/fools the opposition.

I dislike those who run our game more with each passing day. This micro analysis of decisions will spread to other parts of play and ruin it.

I am falling out of love with football even more and it's a damm shame after all this time.

Video Killed the Football Star.

Edited March 1, 2018 by AllRoverAsia

[arbitro]

7 hours ago, JAL said:

Its in its infancy !

No going back now !

 

It's still in the trial stage. Nothing has been decided yet.

[Hasta]

9 hours ago, JAL said:

Its in its infancy !

No going back now !

 

Yep. Like golden goal.

 

The problem is it will slow the game down, kill the excitement and yet will still lead to controversial decisions. One persons opinion differs from another.

That first Tottenham goal last night wasn't ruled out because of flaws in VAR, the technology or how it is used. It was ruled out because whoever made the call was an idiot. It would be less controversial if it was a 'panel' adjudicating because surely 2 other people would have said "goal". However how long is that going to take.

 

 

Edited March 1, 2018 by Hasta

[Dreams of 1995]

I don't like it at all, mainly because my cynicism tells me that given a few hours FIFA will have it packaged, branded and turned into a show. There will be "VAR sponsors" plastered all over our screens whilst they deliberate, firework-like displays when a decision is made, silly rhythmic clapping awaiting a decision and so on.

Atmospheres like that make a game of T20 fun for some because they don't like the more subdued 50 overs or test match cricket. In football there's no such problems and slowing down a game, with such scope for commercialism, has 0 benefit.

I think if you look at the amount of decisions made in a football season and take a % of those that are wrong and game changing we'd see that our referees do a very good job. 

[TonyM]

Absolutely farcical .... just accept that many decisions in football are subjective and a matter of opinion, and people's opinions will always differ.

Let the referee decide, and just get on with it. Some decisions will go your team's way, some won't.

 

Keep the goal-line technology .... a nice and simple objective matter of fact  ( technology can cope  with that)

Edited March 1, 2018 by TonyM

[AggyBlue]

1 hour ago, Hasta said:

The problem is it will slow the game down, kill the excitement

 

No more than players falling and staying down when someone brushes them, waiting for the physio and doctor to rub their ego better.

 

8 hours ago, AllRoverAsia said:

I am falling out of love with football even more and it's a damm shame after all this time.

 

Me too

[Pedro]

What was most laughable was the penalty yesterday was chalked off and the player booked YET the players encroached into the box way before the kick was taken. It should've been a retake.

 

VAR is a sack of shit.

[JAL]

4 hours ago, arbitro said:

It's still in the trial stage. Nothing has been decided yet.

Like anything new Tony there will always be resistance. You've just got to work through the problems and make a smoother process that becomes the norm with delays kept to a bare minimum.

It's an additional tool to the referees armoury if that's the right word and I'm sure they ll be assessed on how competent they are at using VAR.

It would only be human to find that current referees are against using this technology.

Edited March 1, 2018 by JAL

[arbitro]

51 minutes ago, JAL said:

Like anything new Tony there will always be resistance. You've just got to work through the problems and make a smoother process that becomes the norm with delays kept to a bare minimum.

It's an additional tool to the referees armoury if that's the right word and I'm sure they ll be assessed on how competent they are at using VAR.

It would only be human to find that current referees are against using this technology.

But lots of decisions using VAR will still be based on opinion not fact which will still not give you a definitive right or wrong. In this respect it's absolutely pointless. There is a perception amongst the drivers of this that it will eradicate errors. Quite simply it won't as it will still be in the opinion of the referee.

Based on the current criteria every penalty kick should be reviewed as encroachment is a clear and obvious error and contrary to law.

It's full of holes and causing confusion and will continue to do so

[Hasta]

2 hours ago, AggyBlue said:

 

No more than players falling and staying down when someone brushes them, waiting for the physio and doctor to rub their ego better.

 

I dont disagree but we've got one thing killing the game, let's not introduce another.

[chaddyrovers]

VAR experiment need to drop and forgotten about now. The system is farcical and yesterday game proved it..

The ref yesterday wasnt good enough and frieghten to actually proper decision.

Using VAR system is killing football and annoyed most fans. 

Always said it wouldnt work in Footnall and so far I seen nothing to prove me wrong

[FGS5635]

Not a fan of VAR, I think the controversy around bad decisons in football is a big chunk of what makes football. The controversy, the anger, the debate about it for days after.

That said the issue here isnt VAR. VAR could work quite easily and well in football. The problem here is the epic level of retarded implementation of it.

It wouldnt be this bad if you let a bunch at 10 year olds make up the rules and implement it. Whoevers job it is around all this needs sacking right now

[K-Hod]

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

VAR experiment need to drop and forgotten about now. The system is farcical and yesterday game proved it..

The ref yesterday wasnt good enough and frieghten to actually proper decision.

Using VAR system is killing football and annoyed most fans. 

Always said it wouldnt work in Footnall and so far I seen nothing to prove me wrong

It definitely could work, it does in other sports, no reason football can’t be the same. It works in rugby, cricket and tennis well and efficiently. Said it before, but we could always just ring the president of the LTA and ask for the number for Hawkeye...

[Stuart]

8 hours ago, Dreams of 1995 said:

I don't like it at all, mainly because my cynicism tells me that given a few hours FIFA will have it packaged, branded and turned into a show. There will be "VAR sponsors" plastered all over our screens whilst they deliberate, firework-like displays when a decision is made, silly rhythmic clapping awaiting a decision and so on.

Atmospheres like that make a game of T20 fun for some because they don't like the more subdued 50 overs or test match cricket. In football there's no such problems and slowing down a game, with such scope for commercialism, has 0 benefit.

I think if you look at the amount of decisions made in a football season and take a % of those that are wrong and game changing we'd see that our referees do a very good job. 

Good post. The financial / sponsorship angle has some merit. For football to survive in its current format - especially the PL - they need to increase revenue streams. VAR could provide that platform.

From an accuracy point of view the impact of a mistake - or misinterpretation of a rule - could have major financial consequences for businesses... football clubs... businesses. The pressure on referees is now immense.

What they need to do is much like they do now in cricket is only use VAR as an opportunity for the ref to say “I’ve given this decision unless you can categorically confirm otherwise” with the ref getting the benefit of any doubt - used as a second pair of eyes or alternative angle rather than to decide for him.

For me, let play continue and only review if a goal is scored. Then only if there is a proven infringement in the phase leading up to the goal should there be a decision challenge.

Anything off the ball could be decided after the game has finished with the same referee given an opportunity to review concerns raised by managers or players and/or that he deems worthy of review. Post game awarding or rescinding of cards to follow.

[Cherry Blue]

Over the years reaction of both crowd & players have changed when the ball hits back of the net. Be it a generous clap and hand shake in the early days, a mad jump/push/leap about on the terraces that found you standing next to someone you didn't know in 80's or an almost copy-write player celebration to some brilliant finishes.

So what reaction will VAR bring?

A hush and shake of the head as the referee presses his index finger to his right ear.............delay............GOAL!!!!!!!

The games changing boys & girls, we need to get back to the premiership.

[Stuart]

11 minutes ago, Cherry Blue said:

Over the years reaction of both crowd & players have changed when the ball hits back of the net. Be it a generous clap and hand shake in the early days, a mad jump/push/leap about on the terraces that found you standing next to someone you didn't know in 80's or an almost copy-write player celebration to some brilliant finishes.

So what reaction will VAR bring?

A hush and shake of the head as the referee presses his index finger to his right ear.............delay............GOAL!!!!!!!

The games changing boys & girls, we need to get back to the premiership.

Not for every goal. Only where there is some genuine contention that the referee is unsure or unsighted on.

Have you never been at Ewood and seen a goal given (or disallowed) and thought that the ref got it wrong? Wouldn’t it be good for those goals to be referred and correctly ruled? Yes, they need to involve the crowd better, with a little imagination it could be a feature. The Americans would make a great show of it.

Imagine if VAR had existed when West Ham and Tevez cheated their way past us all those years ago. That goal should never have  stood in a million years. Didn’t you feel aggrieved? I did. And Sheffield United certainly did. 11 years later they still haven’t recovered.