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12 minutes ago, Roverinbelfast said:

My thinking is dack has to go Central and arma then goes wide left. The false 9, firminho role would suit him perfectly. 

Funnily enough, that's exactly what my son suggested too. But as I asked him, who makes way?

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Fair point Chaddy , think JB summed it up well on twitter  Link   Imagine the negotiations between Venkys and Levy. Insane. Levy: We will give you 10m. 2m upfront, 8m when we win the le

The last deal he signed was ridiculous from the clubs point of view. Nothing in there to protect us given the length of the deal. We really need to tie him down to a 4 year deal. Allow a release

Fair enough, if you've got a problem with his off the field antics and the celebrity nature of his girlfriend, I think a lot of people are re-writing history about Dack here. Barring a couple of

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27 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

I presume there is an element of sarcasm in the phrase "lump of lard with no pace" but obviously that is not true. He is not massively fast nor is he particularly slow, he has scored goals on the counter attack before where he has more than kept up with quick players. He also has the technical ability needed, and is very comfortable pressing.

Maybe a tad! You're no help though, you're another who evades the question. If Dack's in the starting eleven, where does he play and who would he replace? You're all just confirming I'm not alone having a conundrum! Up to now I agree with chaddy, best he could hope for is a place on the bench.

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15 minutes ago, darrenrover said:

Maybe a tad! You're no help though, you're another who evades the question. If Dack's in the starting eleven, where does he play and who would he replace? You're all just confirming I'm not alone having a conundrum! Up to now I agree with chaddy, best he could hope for is a place on the bench.

He'd replace Brererton if you're really desperate to get him back in the side. It sounds like he's weeks away from even getting a place in the bench, he hasn't even played in a semi competitive game in training yet.

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7 minutes ago, Roverinbelfast said:

Despite his improvement recently, Brereton. Dack is the talisman and needs to be in the team imo. 

A bit harsh on Brereton. That being the case though and keeping the same formation and pattern of play, that would mean Dack playing in the left wide forward role as things stand and I don't think that suits Dack at all.

He is our talisman but left wide forward? Would we shunt Armstrong out wide to accommodate Dack?

As Tyrone and philipl have said, it's all hypothetical at the minute as he's not fit. Wait a month or so though.....

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This conversation seems to have become most prominent after the 3 dominant wins, as to whether he even gets into the team. He is a very, very good player at this level who improves us as our best player. Of course he warrants getting into the team somewhere.

If he was fully fit in the next game, would it be fair to drop any of the attacking players today? Obviously not, and when he comes back, he will be a sub anyway. But would he warrant a start long term over one of Brereton, Johnson or even Elliott or Holtby in our best team? Yes.

Where is a fairer question, and may take a bit of trial and error and experimentation.

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1 hour ago, darrenrover said:

A bit harsh on Brereton. That being the case though and keeping the same formation and pattern of play, that would mean Dack playing in the left wide forward role as things stand and I don't think that suits Dack at all.

He is our talisman but left wide forward? Would we shunt Armstrong out wide to accommodate Dack?

As Tyrone and philipl have said, it's all hypothetical at the minute as he's not fit. Wait a month or so though.....

Brererton's not playing out wide left as far as I can see. As I said a few weeks ago he seems to occupy what back in the day was the old inside left position. I can't see a reason why Dack couldn't play there. What's Brererton got that Dack hasn't ? Maybe he's a bit quicker over the ground once he gets into his stride but Dack is a lot smarter and he knows where the goals are.

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1 hour ago, darrenrover said:

A bit harsh on Brereton. That being the case though and keeping the same formation and pattern of play, that would mean Dack playing in the left wide forward role as things stand and I don't think that suits Dack at all.

He is our talisman but left wide forward? Would we shunt Armstrong out wide to accommodate Dack?

As Tyrone and philipl have said, it's all hypothetical at the minute as he's not fit. Wait a month or so though.....

That's football.. Its harsh. We can't go saying there is no room for dack after one good good result. The forest and Cardiff games proved that we do lack that bit of magic in the final third and that's when we need dack. A fully fit dack starts every time in my opinion and the rest fight it out for the other spots. 

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Even though he won't be playing in his preferred position, I'm increasingly excited about seeing how Dack fits into this team. We might lose a bit with him not playing as a 10, but we should gain much more with him playing in a team with so many other attacking options who will occupy the attention of opposition defenders. 

 

Thinking who gets dropped for him is the difficult part. 

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I would say Dack could play in midfield but really he needs to be up top because of his goals.

Means dropping Brereton and moving Armstrong left or dropping Brereton though....

When everyone's fit it's going to be a nightmare to pick a front three out of Brereton, Armstrong, Elliott, Dolan and Dack. But then whichever three you go for you have 2 excellent options off the bench for any given situation. Plus I think Gallagher will offer more as the season progresses. We know there is a player in there from his first spell at Rovers.

When have we ever had as good a set of attacking options for the level we are playing at? Or indeed midfield where we have Holtby, Rothwell, Travis, Johnson, Trybull, JRC, Buckley.

It really should be our year this year.

The key, alongside good recruitment and a bumper crop from the academy, has been the high intensity 433 which has allowed everyone much more freedom.

All of it leads back to Mowbray making some big tactical changes in April and following them through very astutely in the transfer market.

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Pretty mind blowing when you think about it.

We are destroying teams with our best defensive midfielder and the star name at the club both missing probably for half this season.

On current all round game form and potential, Dack goes where Elliott is and Elliott replaces Armstrong. That 20 minutes cameo at the end at Coventry this afternoon was the first glimpse of that.

The thought of Brereton continuing to improve, Holtby back to German international form, Dack and Elliott all operating together with Travis the enforcer bursting forward when the opportunity arises is pretty mind blowing. Then it is Trybull, Johnson and Evans competing for the third midfield slot, Armstrong and Dolan impact subs and two games a week rotation options.

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Main difference now is that he is not close to being a starter when everyone is available, not sure that’s ever been the case in his loooonnnggg stint here.

On ability alone it would be bonkers to give him a new deal (never mind his ‘injury’ record), as he’ll be looking for one last big 3 year deal at his age.

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27 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

Main difference now is that he is not close to being a starter when everyone is available, not sure that’s ever been the case in his loooonnnggg stint here.

On ability alone it would be bonkers to give him a new deal (never mind his ‘injury’ record), as he’ll be looking for one last big 3 year deal at his age.

For a moment I thought you were saying that about Bradley Dack.

If Trybull stays, I suspect Evans will go in the January window.

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10 hours ago, philipl said:

Pretty mind blowing when you think about it.

We are destroying teams with our best defensive midfielder and the star name at the club both missing probably for half this season.

On current all round game form and potential, Dack goes where Elliott is and Elliott replaces Armstrong. That 20 minutes cameo at the end at Coventry this afternoon was the first glimpse of that.

The thought of Brereton continuing to improve, Holtby back to German international form, Dack and Elliott all operating together with Travis the enforcer bursting forward when the opportunity arises is pretty mind blowing. Then it is Trybull, Johnson and Evans competing for the third midfield slot, Armstrong and Dolan impact subs and two games a week rotation options.

Youd drop Armstrong, put Dack on the right and put Elliott central?!

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21 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Youd drop Armstrong, put Dack on the right and put Elliott central?!

I was coming at it from a different angle which is Elliott probably has the ability to play central and giving him a go there might be part of the deal with Liverpool. If he can it means we have goal scoring cover for Arma.

After all, that is exactly what happened when Armstrong was subbed off after 64 minutes on Saturday.

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1 hour ago, philipl said:

I was coming at it from a different angle which is Elliott probably has the ability to play central and giving him a go there might be part of the deal with Liverpool. If he can it means we have goal scoring cover for Arma.

After all, that is exactly what happened when Armstrong was subbed off after 64 minutes on Saturday.

Seems a very random assumption to make that we have told Liverpool that he will play centrally. Assuming that Armstrong is fit, that will not be happening. Elliott looks at home cutting in from the right.

Mowbray seems very keen to persist with Gallagher as a wide man which is an experiment that only he sees any value in.

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23 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Seems a very random assumption to make that we have told Liverpool that he will play centrally. Assuming that Armstrong is fit, that will not be happening. Elliott looks at home cutting in from the right.

Mowbray seems very keen to persist with Gallagher as a wide man which is an experiment that only he sees any value in.

Not an assumption, It happened for 30 minutes against Coventry.

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1 minute ago, philipl said:

Not an assumption, It happened for 30 minutes against Coventry.

Yeah, but only on what you would think and hope is one of the few times in the season when Armstrong wasnt on the pitch due to having the luxury of giving him a bit of a rest.

Throw Dack into the mix who also is naturally a central player and it seems unlikely that Elliott will get much chance down the middle.

I think that it is more that Mowbray seems to see Gallagher as more of a wide player in the 3, which in my opinion is a very strange experiment, that he put Elliott in more of a free role. But with Armstrong especially and also Dack, I dont see much scope for playing Elliott centrally. Elliott is a wide player anyway so it makes little sense that we could have made any promises regarding where he will play.

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17 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Yeah, but only on what you would think and hope is one of the few times in the season when Armstrong wasnt on the pitch due to having the luxury of giving him a bit of a rest.

Throw Dack into the mix who also is naturally a central player and it seems unlikely that Elliott will get much chance down the middle.

I think that it is more that Mowbray seems to see Gallagher as more of a wide player in the 3, which in my opinion is a very strange experiment, that he put Elliott in more of a free role. But with Armstrong especially and also Dack, I dont see much scope for playing Elliott centrally. Elliott is a wide player anyway so it makes little sense that we could have made any promises regarding where he will play.

Let's see How Dack returns first. Dack playing any minutes in 2020 is a bonus. 

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Just now, chaddyrovers said:

Let's see How Dack returns first. Dack playing any minutes in 2020 is a bonus. 

You keep saying, but he will come back at some point.

But even take him out of the equation, and my point was that I cant see any merit or logic to us promising Liverpool that we play the young winger that we have taken on loan in a central position, baring in mind that we have Armstrong playing central.

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Just now, roversfan99 said:

You keep saying, but he will come back at some point.

But even take him out of the equation, and my point was that I cant see any merit or logic to us promising Liverpool that we play the young winger that we have taken on loan in a central position, baring in mind that we have Armstrong playing central.

Yes he will. But he hasn't been contact training yet and will need a few under 23's games 1st. Looking at mid December for him returning for me

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