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28 minutes ago, JHRover said:

When Preston come to Ewood and take 6000+ in the Darwen End you can bet your bottom dollar that a large chunk of that lot don't go on Deepdale very often and are just on the bandwagon for a derby day out on the lash with mates. Happens at a lot of clubs. Doubt a lot of the Leeds mob that came to Ewood are regulars at Elland Road. West Cumbria Whites and Carlisle Whites probably turning out in numbers because Rovers is easier to get to for them than most and it's one of the few where they can get away tickets.

Some people would prefer to spend £500 quid a season cherry picking 7-8 attractive looking away games and going out for the day with mates when it suits them than they would on a season ticket and being 'tied' into going to all the home games to get their money's worth.

The challenge is shifting that preference by making home games more attractive and enjoyable. The club can ill afford to do things that upset or antagonise existing supporters yet they seem to have established a knack at doing that over the last 4-5 years.

Didn’t Leeds tickets sell out to ST holders in a matter of days? 

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1 minute ago, meadows said:

Didn’t Leeds tickets sell out to ST holders in a matter of days? 

Thought they sold out quickly to season ticket holders or gold/platinum members (whatever they are). Not sure but I certainly recall the extra allocation was available to members.

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Interesting reading Waggott's comments on the Riverside stand. Talking about making Ewood into a better venue I'm sure if that was ever redeveloped it could include facilities to be used on non-matchdays. I've already said I think Rovers have missed the bus on building a hotel at Ewood. In the last few years there must have been 5 or 6 hotels opened in the area with the Travelodge, Premier Inn X 2, Marstons at Guide, and now the plans for Whitebirk. There's clearly demand for hotels in the area and Rovers could have got a head-start on this years ago. Bolton seem to do quite well out of their hotel.

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1 hour ago, tomphil said:

Maybe he's just using the 25 mill per season figure as an average over the time they've been here as I thought the whole point in recent years was to get that figure down otherwise as costs fall there should be a good surplus in the pot now.

Or perhaps that's just the figure that gets written off on the company books per year in India for the club ......

Last 3 seasons cash injections are:

2016/7    £ 8.6m

2017/8    £15.0m

2018/9   £  9.6m

Source:Companies House Venkys London Ltd Filings

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The thing that I will never understand with the season ticket prices are that we got relegated and prices were frozen at the prices they were in the previous season in the Championship. Yet when we get promoted back to the Championship prices are increased by £50, I didn't understand that logic especially after setting a rather ambitious target in terms of sales. Had they been on sale before the Oxford game and at a frozen price then I would imagine that we would have at least gotten nearer to the target.

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I do wonder about the free school tickets thing, they obviously still do it but I remember back 10-15 years maybe there was an obvious noise from them in some games. 

They used to be top of the top tier of the Blackburn end and quite a lot, I wonder if the take up is less or less are offered now?

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2 hours ago, tomphil said:

If they are going to do things with more free tickets for schools initiatives etc get them in the BBE upper, you know that bit that used to be the family stand, not the bloody Darwen end next to away fans !!!!!

Blackburn enders of the future learning our chants not away fans songs and abuse, little things like that show the lack of actual thinking sometimes.

This should be all too easy and common sense tomphil but somewhere down in the corridors of Ewood the thought process is not working.

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3 hours ago, PLJPB said:

Last 3 seasons cash injections are:

2016/7    £ 8.6m

2017/8    £15.0m

2018/9   £  9.6m

Source:Companies House Venkys London Ltd Filings

There was a lot of bigger numbers before that though before they shut the door for a brief spell and cashed in the playing assets instead hence why I thought he might be referring  to average of 25 mill.

At least he isn't doing the spin like the guy on sky of Venkys 'investing' 30 million every season into Blackburn Rovers that was routinely trotted out every live game not long ago, also he said keeping us going not 'investing' which sounds better to me.

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In the 90s we had a few games in which thousands of kids were brought from schools.

The day of the Le Tiss wonder goal was one. Club was going for the title and we still did it.

Now obviously much easier to get kids to come to watch that then Rovers V Brentford, plus are teachers as willing to give up their Saturday, all the risk assessing etc...

However, you look over to Stanley and much more certainly needs to be done here.

 

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1 hour ago, JHRover said:

Interesting reading Waggott's comments on the Riverside stand. Talking about making Ewood into a better venue I'm sure if that was ever redeveloped it could include facilities to be used on non-matchdays. I've already said I think Rovers have missed the bus on building a hotel at Ewood. In the last few years there must have been 5 or 6 hotels opened in the area with the Travelodge, Premier Inn X 2, Marstons at Guide, and now the plans for Whitebirk. There's clearly demand for hotels in the area and Rovers could have got a head-start on this years ago. Bolton seem to do quite well out of their hotel.

It goes back to the original design to replace the Riverside, wasn't that supposed to incorporate a hotel? It was going to increase the capacity up to near the 40,000, but we could barely fill the existing ground, so Jack put it to bed.

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Just now, Proudtobeblue&white said:

It goes back to the original design to replace the Riverside, wasn't that supposed to incorporate a hotel? It was going to increase the capacity up to near the 40,000, but we could barely fill the existing ground, so Jack put it to bed.

Yeah that's right. But those plans could be revisited and amended. We admittedly don't need to increase capacity to that level, but a new Riverside could be built with a capacity of say 5000 which would keep capacity similar or slightly higher than it is at present. The aim of the project isn't really to create additional capacity which is unlikely to be needed, but to improve the stadium, the facilities on offer, increase our internal space for something like a hotel or offices which can generate extra revenue for the club on non-matchdays. The facilities on the Riverside are among the worst in the Championship these days even though it is 'only' 30 years since it was done. Can't think of many other stands with uncovered seats, uncovered concourse, only 2 sets of toilets and food kiosks, and obstructed views. Just not really fit for 21st century standard although I suspect a lot of those who sit in there are quite comfortable with it.

I reckon it could be done to keep it in harmony with the rest of the ground. Single tier, floodlights in the roof, no obstructed views, internal concourse with modern toilets and food kiosks and then internal space behind for boxes/hotel rooms/office space etc. Build it nearer to the pitch without a walkway at the front and close the gaps to the BBE and DE and I think it would massively upgrade the look, facilities and enclose the atmosphere.

Interesting that Waggott referenced talking to the council about it, so it seems it has passed first base of merely thinking about it and some conversations have been had.

It's ok saying we should wait until we get to the Premier League before doing it but then we'd end up with a building site down that side whilst in the Prem. Makes sense to get it done and dusted now whilst we've the surplus capacity to enable it.

Ultimately we're quite lucky with Ewood in the Riverside should be the easiest stand to build. No houses or businesses behind it, plenty of space behind.

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I agree that the Riverside needs flattening and something more modern and user friendly replacing it, a hotel would allow for viewing pitch side, a la Lancashire CCC and would finish off Jack's vision. Can't see it happening without large outside investment, as the Loons would have no appetite to fund it.

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3 hours ago, Crimpshrine said:

Interesting fact that was quoted by Steve Waggott last night about the 5,500 tickets sold for the PNE game this weekend:

Nearly 2500 of those fans have not bought a single ticket for a home match this season ( and are not ST holders).  

Is it that many folk just prefer the away-day experience or are big numbers still deliberately boycotting Ewood matches?

Didn't cause much discussion last night but I thought it was an amazing stat.

 

Statistics eh. Of those 2500 how many have bought a single ticket for an away match this season prior to Preston is the stat which would give a handle on whether these are away fans only or just single trippers to Preston. Nearly 50% sales for a single day out to Preston is hard to believe suggests numbers of home boycotters may be still a fair number

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10 hours ago, Hasta said:

To be fair the exact quote from the LT coverage was:-

"I haven't been here and felt what you've felt. The emotion of the situation, I'm trying to get to the point where we resolve it. It seems counter-productive that something they have done is keeping you away from supporting your team.

"I don't feel they think that paying their £25m a year to sustain the running of the club feel they have done much wrong."

Which us very different from how you have put it. Quite a diplomatic answer really.

I agree. TM does get it. I am sure of that.

I heard him respond to a question at the end of last season about the fans, needing to let go of any negativity towards  the owners and he said something about having too much affection for the supporters to comment on that...

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18 hours ago, Mattyblue said:

In my view, the problem with Waggott is he just doesn’t seem to get the Rovers fanbase. He sees a 31,000 ground and a famous name, so improve the results and gates will improve markedly, not a lot else to do.

Sorry Steve, it doesn’t work like that here.

We are a club with a limited fanbase, based in a non affluent town with challenging demographics, in a highly competitive region. Season tickets between £320 and £400, match tickets at £24-£30 for mid table Championship football and he expects 16,000 gates?

We have 10-12,000 that turn up year in year out, but at this level we have to work hard to get it much higher. We aren’t based in an area like Waggott’s old stomping ground of Coventry, yes they are in the doldrums, but they have a big potential support in a city three times the size of Blackburn and a fanbase that stretches across Warwickshire (no other league clubs to compete with).

John Williams got it but it just doesn’t look like this guy will.

Reluctantly I went last night as Chair of the Trust but with limited expectations.

I quote MattyBlue here because it mirrors a lot of what we said to 6 of the Management team when we met them on November 5th. I will add more on the Attendances thread after the Nov 29th Trust board meeting. We really hammered the £3 surcharge and I did again last night. Also our main theme is 'how do we get fans back into the habit of going?"......get them for 3/4 games and you may well keep them. We met a bit of a wall and a bit of a siege mentality(we have done this before/people complain etc etc) but the Trust will keep pushing away. BUT the 6 people we met on Nov 5th I judged to be pretty committed and excellent professionals(including Steve Waggott) and we must not be too harsh and critical of them. I would like them to experiment and go for a 2,000 target  more each half season, around more £10 type matches/season ticket promotions and general Events. The Trust did put forward a number of great ideas put forward on the  BRFCS Attendance thread here(as MCM1975 knows)and we will continue to do so.

Back to the Consultation Event, it was ironic that the bitterness came from several sources but not from the Trust or BRAG - we were close together in the Forgive(but not forget) and Move On theme. Tony Mowbray talked about his Dad scratching the money together so they could go to Boro when he was 7, and squeezing thru the turnstyle to also get in free. The eyes of the audience last night started to get moist cos Tony gets it. Consultation meetings don't tend to move us on much, but I am sure many there last night will keep on pushing.

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7 hours ago, Biz said:

It’s an attractive tie - local “derby”, 15 minute drive, easy transport links even after poor trains. Decent pubs, the team is in decent form. £24 quid, I think they would’ve sold them all at £34 quid.

Compare that to Millwall and Rotherham at home, and it becomes obvious why those 2500 are only interested in more “appealing” games.

so... in your opinion, are those 2500 Rovers fans or not ?

 

Worth the effort trying HARD to get them back to Ewood or not?

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1 hour ago, Mike E said:

How we don’t have a statue of Bob Crompton, I simply don’t know.

Rovers captain, twice manager (and successful), brilliant moustache, England captain, regarded as the single best player in the world at the time (as a DEFENDER), brilliant moustache, local boy and spent his full playing career here, died after a Rovers vs Burnley match, brilliant moustache.

’Mr. Blackburn Rovers’ in every sense!

 

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Read that: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Crompton

Would rename any new Riverside stand in his honour.

Have stated for many years our history is not celebrated enough.

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