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[Tyrone Shoelaces 11487]

1 hour ago, Stuart said:

Rodwell? No thanks.

However, based on Mowbray’s comments it sounds like a done deal: we need to give him a chance and it’s really cheap.

The one position we are stocked up on is central midfield: Rothwell, Evans, Smallwood, Travis, Bennett, Travis, even Whittingham hasn’t left the building yet.

What happened to our budget?

I'm out on holiday with a pal who's a die hard Sunderland fan. I'll risk his blood pressure and ask him for the low down on Rodwell later we he gets up.

[Tyrone Shoelaces 11487]

31 minutes ago, Paul Mani said:

Looks like Travis is going out on loan...wonder if he’s thinking the same for Davenport.

Leaving is with Smallwood, Evans, Reed and Rodwell? With Benno backing them up..

You've given up on Whittingham then ?  I think we'll struggle to loan him out even if we pay his wages. On another tack , what about the invisible man that is Gladwin ?

[Dreams of 1995 4390]

Why are we "giving a chance" to a late 20s injury prone player that has been part of one of the worst Sunderland teams in a generation? Why aren't we "giving a chance" to our own? I can't be the only one here who would rather see Travis in the middle as opposed to Rodwell. Surely we have better central midfielders that we can "give a chance"?

Probably the first signing of the summer that I'd be unhappy about. I honestly wish Rodwell the best and I hope he can recapture the form he had at Everton here but whenever I look at him I see a walking crutch and a player shot of all confidence. I'd much rather a young lad with no fear in our midfield to be 'given a chance'.

We supposedly have a decent budget so the cheapness of the deal shouldn't be a reason for it.

The only justification I have is that Rodwell has nothing else to lose. This is the last chance saloon for him. If he's on a pay as you play and he comes in and trains for the next 3 months before appearing as and when it's not the end of the world. A good body to have in - experienced English lad. Definitely uninspiring in terms of first team additions though.

This should mean Whittingham is moved on too

[AllRoverAsia 5363]

TM seems to like a challenge to get a player back to form. It failed miserably with Caddis so hope for better luck or at least player participation in the challenge if Rodwell shows up.

Personally I am not against it if the deal is ok to us.

 

[joey_big_nose 2941]

I really don't understand the link with Rodwell. We've got Evans, Smallwood, Bennett, Rothwell, Davenport, Travis, Whittingham and even Dack who all can play there. Fair enough you should always look to improve but central midfield seems the one position we are well stocked.

Out wide we only have Conway, alongside Armstrong and Palmer who can give it a go at a push. We have no decent backup centrebacks, only one right back , and lack quality up front. All of these are high priorities to address.

Seems a very odd one to go after Rodwell.

[islander200 2009]

Sharpe tweeted no fee agreed as of yet for Brereton, club still working on it.

Two in today will be "defensive types".

 

[joey_big_nose 2941]

Also when was the last time a premier league veteran was a good signing for us? Only Graham I think since we went down. List of failures is long.

Edited August 23, 2018 by joey_big_nose

[Helmshore blue 9]

Robert Huth as CB cover?

[Dreams of 1995 4390]

2 minutes ago, islander200 said:

Sharpe tweeted no fee agreed as of yet for Brereton, club still working on it.

Two in today will be "defensive types".

 

This doesn't surprise me. We need some bite in defence desperately. Oh for an Andy Todd now - he'd be sent off 5 times a season in modern day football but he'd be a joy to watch him put the fear of god into some of these flair players and, on top of that, bite Evans head off every time he pulls out of a 50-50.

[DE. 11927]

Rodwell would be an atrocious signing and proof of how badly we screwed up the transfer window. I'd genuinely rather we'd have brought back Jason Lowe than Jack Rodwell. Hopefully there's nothing in it.

[islander200 2009]

3 minutes ago, joey_big_nose said:

I really don't understand the link with Rodwell. We've got Evans, Smallwood, Bennett, Rothwell, Davenport, Travis, Whittingham and even Dack who all can play there. Fair enough you should always look to improve but central midfield seems the one position we are well stocked.

Out wide we only have Conway, alongside Armstrong and Palmer who can give it a go at a push. We have no decent backup centrebacks, only one right back , and lack quality up front. All of these are high priorities to address.

Seems a very odd one to go after Rodwell.

Looks like Travis going on loan.Doubt we will see Whittingham again in a rovers shirt, Davenport injured, Smallwood not looking up to it at this level, not sure Mowbray trusts Rothwell to have the discipline to play that position yet.

We have numbers not so sure about the quality but if we are bringing in Harrison Reed then don't see why we need Rodwell too.

It is in the forward area's where we need to be concentrating on but looks like nothing happening until next week

[Ruaney 367]

46 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Budget still there. Reed coming in. Hopefully loan to buy. Another player coming in

I think either Fleetwood or Bradford would be good options for him. He needs to play regulary. I think he be a top player for us in the future. I would like him to stay but understand to loan him out. 

 

Reed coming in? Is that a fact now or am I missing something?

[47er 8659]

I looked forward to this transfer window before the end of last season, when TM said he wanted to do the business early (in fact he wanted his squad in place for the Austrian tour), said he had 2 lists A and B depending on which division we were in, came back from meeting Venkys and said he was satisfied with the budget, has confirmed since that the budget never changed from that meeting, and said he was no great fan of loanees and wanted to sign permanents. He also stressed he wanted young, hungry players who would have a decent resale value. And the Chief Exec said the signings would be so exciting that we would sell another 1500 season tickets!

 Therefore we know know that his transfer budget was at least 10-11M quid, that he knew that for months and presumably could go down his list with serious intent.

Yet here we are, as usual,scambling round, trying to sign sign players of no such distinction  at the last minute on loan with an inadequate squad and significant shortages in key areas. How far from TM's stated objectives have we fallen?

2 questions-----what went wrong and whose to blame?

[47er 8659]

2 minutes ago, Helmshore blue said:

Robert Huth as CB cover?

Good call!

[K-Hod 9300]

51 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Budget still there. Reed coming in. Hopefully loan to buy. Another player coming in

I think either Fleetwood or Bradford would be good options for him. He needs to play regulary. I think he be a top player for us in the future. I would like him to stay but understand to loan him out. 

 

You've posted the above like you know it's fact. Is that the case?

Fair play if it is like, but it's the kind of post that will get people's backs up if you're as in the know as the rest of us (I.E not at all).

[joey_big_nose 2941]

3 minutes ago, islander200 said:

Looks like Travis going on loan.Doubt we will see Whittingham again in a rovers shirt, Davenport injured, Smallwood not looking up to it at this level, not sure Mowbray trusts Rothwell to have the discipline to play that position yet.

We have numbers not so sure about the quality but if we are bringing in Harrison Reed then don't see why we need Rodwell too.

It is in the forward area's where we need to be concentrating on but looks like nothing happening until next week

I'm confused by Travis going on loan as he has looked decent and provides cover at RB too.

Otherwise totally agree with what you say on cm, but just in the list of priorities other positions seem far more pressing.

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2 minutes ago, K-Hod said:

You've posted the above like you know it's fact. Is that the case?

Fair play if it is like, but it's the kind of post that will get people's backs up if you're as in the know as the rest of us (I.E not at all).

Basically falls on every word Sharpe and Nixon tells him and then passes it off as his own.

[islander200 2009]

4 minutes ago, joey_big_nose said:

I'm confused by Travis going on loan as he has looked decent and provides cover at RB too.

Otherwise totally agree with what you say on cm, but just in the list of priorities other positions seem far more pressing.

I like Travis too but I do think at his age he should be playing regular football.

Playing the odd game or getting 10 minutes every now and again isn't going to benefit him or us in the long term.

Mowbray did mention that he expects more exciting and expensive signings over the next 9 days and attacking players are harder to get so I'm just taking Mowbray at his word and we will be bringing in some attacking talent before the close of buisness 

[Dreams of 1995 4390]

5 minutes ago, 47er said:

I looked forward to this transfer window before the end of last season, when TM said he wanted to do the business early (in fact he wanted his squad in place for the Austrian tour), said he had 2 lists A and B depending on which division we were in, came back from meeting Venkys and said he was satisfied with the budget, has confirmed since that the budget never changed from that meeting, and said he was no great fan of loanees and wanted to sign permanents. He also stressed he wanted young, hungry players who would have a decent resale value. And the Chief Exec said the signings would be so exciting that we would sell another 1500 season tickets!

 Therefore we know know that his transfer budget was at least 10-11M quid, that he knew that for months and presumably could go down his list with serious intent.

Yet here we are, as usual,scambling round, trying to sign sign players of no such distinction  at the last minute on loan with an inadequate squad and significant shortages in key areas. How far from TM's stated objectives have we fallen?

2 questions-----what went wrong and whose to blame?

In fairness 47er we have signed young hungry players. Rothwell, Davenport and Armstrong all fit the bill. It also sounds like Brereton will be coming too and he definitely fits that bill.

I don't think that anything has "gone wrong" as such but I do think Mowbray has misunderstood the market a little. His repeated claims of "x amount of players by x time" has lead to a feeling of failure. Had we had no expectation of what to expect I'd assume most would consider this window a success. Lesson learnt I hope for Waggot/Mowbray.

I can't justify the Rodwell signing much. It doesn't stink of desperation but moreover an odd decision based solely on sentiment alone. His CV does look impressive on paper but the reality often differs greatly.

The only real gripe I have is the under valuing of wide players. We desperately need width and, after the signings of the two defensive types + possibly Brereton, that leaves us with 1 more signing to complete "Tony's 4". If that final signing is Rodwell then it would seem from the outside like a strange error. We may struggle for goals this season which is probably a signal of Mowbray's intent. Consolidation and continue to build next year seems the order of the day- that will suit me.

[islander200 2009]

2 minutes ago, Valois said:

Basically falls on every word Sharpe and Nixon tells him and then passes it off as his own.

In fairness he isn't passing it off as his own he is just passing on what has been said.

I do think there is definitely something in the Reed link, expect we will find out today as he is being talked about as one of the players expected through the door today 

[K-Hod 9300]

4 minutes ago, Valois said:

Basically falls on every word Sharpe and Nixon tells him and then passes it off as his own.

To be fair, in the past, he's usually qualified this with 'From Rich Sharpe' or 'from Nicko'. But not on this occasion, which led me to query, did he mistakenly omit this?

[CambridgeRover 682]

Travis should be kept , right back cover and can put a shift in. Hasn't looked out of place when he has played.

[Mozzer 29]

So apparently we're signing Harrison reed and sending Travis on loan - I'd rather just give Travis ago . Harrison Reed can apparently cover right back to so basically we're getting a player in with a little bit more experience rather then using Travis ?

[JeffRover 211]

Would Reed come with an option to buy?

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11 hours ago, Scotland1 said:

 

Looks like the boxer Callum Smith..are we after a box to box midfielder? ?