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Brereton has never been good enough and I don't think he ever will improve but he has some sympathy from me. It wasn't him who decided he was worth £7m and put massive expectations on him through that. It was Mowbray who decided to pay hugely over the odds on the strength of a dead rubber match at Trent Bridge if the stories are to be believed. It's just another awful Mowbray decision and now it's almost like he is trying to prove himself right by playing him when he is clearly out of his depth. In just over a years time Brereton is out of contract giving somebody a big decision to make.

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Brereton probably had a 6 months purple patch this time last year where he looked a genuinely decent championship player. But even in his prime months he was still a non goal scoring striker. Either side of that purple patch to the present day he looks like someone who’s never seen a football before.

I’m sure someone other than Mowbray could get a tune out of him more regularly but under this regime he has no chance. 

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I think he was also marking the goal scorer when you slow the images down. He just let him breeze past him for a free header. Of course, no one pointed a finger at him because they are a good set of lads and don't want to upset any of their pals. Benno no doubt gave him a big hug back in the dressing room after the game and told him not to worry about it.

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54 minutes ago, Stonesrick said:

I think he was also marking the goal scorer when you slow the images down. He just let him breeze past him for a free header. Of course, no one pointed a finger at him because they are a good set of lads and don't want to upset any of their pals. Benno no doubt gave him a big hug back in the dressing room after the game and told him not to worry about it.

When the corner is delivered the scorer runs off Brereton. When he heads it Lenihan is the closest to him. It appears that Mowbray uses zonal marking in the six yard box and goes man to man outside of it. Another example of over complicating something that is relatively simple.

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3 hours ago, arbitro said:

Brereton has never been good enough and I don't think he ever will improve but he has some sympathy from me. It wasn't him who decided he was worth £7m and put massive expectations on him through that. It was Mowbray who decided to pay hugely over the odds on the strength of a dead rubber match at Trent Bridge if the stories are to be believed. It's just another awful Mowbray decision and now it's almost like he is trying to prove himself right by playing him when he is clearly out of his depth. In just over a years time Brereton is out of contract giving somebody a big decision to make.

Nobody in their right mind signs a player going off one performance. Especially if it’s a big money signing. I used to knock about with a guy who was a City scout. He’d watch a player 4 or 5 time and it would always be at an away match. He reckon that was more of a true test of a good player.

We’ve all played amateur football and had the odd game were we looked like world beaters.

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3 hours ago, arbitro said:

When the corner is delivered the scorer runs off Brereton. When he heads it Lenihan is the closest to him. It appears that Mowbray uses zonal marking in the six yard box and goes man to man outside of it. Another example of over complicating something that is relatively simple.

I noticed that yesterday too. Three men along the six yard box with another midway between that and the goal line near the front edge of the box, the rest man-marking. Although obviously, without enough men to mark everyone.

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1 hour ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

We’ve all played amateur football and had the odd game were we looked like world beaters.

I know what you mean TS. I was world class every time playing in the back garden

On Brereton, he very much relies on confidence, A while ago he was in good form and playing well but at the moment he looks shot. I'd like to see him what he can do under a better coach and manager because he has alot of attributes, although he is unlikely ever to be a prolific scorer

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5 hours ago, matt83 said:

Brereton probably had a 6 months purple patch this time last year 

Well I'd probably accept that his best spell for us was mid-March to mid June last year.

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I think the way he was introduced to the team was a serious issue. He got signed and never played, sub here and there with TM basically showing no faith in him and not playing him as a striker. If TM wasn't going to start him, or play him up top then why sign him? BB was young, doing OK at forest and then came here and never got given a chance. TM has ruined his development, stunted his growth and now he isn't worth 2m,let alone 7m. Why sign a striker, and handle him like TM did?

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4 hours ago, Exiled in Toronto said:

I noticed that yesterday too. Three men along the six yard box with another midway between that and the goal line near the front edge of the box, the rest man-marking. Although obviously, without enough men to mark everyone.

The defending team should always have a spare man defending at a corner. The opposition have one man at least actually taking the corner.

It’s just rank bad defensive organisation. In my book zonal marking is a mistake waiting to happen. Expecting Bremerton to mark anyone is a joke. He’d be better off stood on the half way line ensuring the opposition have to bring a player or two back to mark him.

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2 hours ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

The defending team should always have a spare man defending at a corner. The opposition have one man at least actually taking the corner.

It’s just rank bad defensive organisation. In my book zonal marking is a mistake waiting to happen. Expecting Bremerton to mark anyone is a joke. He’d be better off stood on the half way line ensuring the opposition have to bring a player or two back to mark him.

As we are shit at defending corners, I would leave two player up, one tall, one fast. Most teams would bring back 3 players to mark them. Plus the one taking the corner, means that there are 8 defenders and the keeper against 6 attackers.  

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I’ve posted this before but a mate of mine, once in a blue moon, gets invited to corporate in the Jack Walker stand. Not too long after we signed Brereton, my friend was there with a couple of Forest fans at the Forest game. They couldn’t believe the fee we paid and reckoned it was one of the best pieces of business they had ever done.

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14 hours ago, Ulrich said:

I think the way he was introduced to the team was a serious issue. He got signed and never played, sub here and there with TM basically showing no faith in him and not playing him as a striker. If TM wasn't going to start him, or play him up top then why sign him? BB was young, doing OK at forest and then came here and never got given a chance. TM has ruined his development, stunted his growth and now he isn't worth 2m,let alone 7m. Why sign a striker, and handle him like TM did?

Might be wrong but think the reason stated by TM at the time was that he needs to work on his upper body strength. Considering how easily he falls over maybe that was not the right call, despite that I agree with what was included in Jim Mk2 's post a couple of posts up

"I'd like to see him what he can do under a better coach and manager because he has alot of attributes, although he is unlikely ever to be a prolific scorer"

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Been generally terrible in his time here. However, I finally saw some glimpses earlier this season (his game, even at its best, seems to be to go on a run and look for a foul, but at least he was doing it fairly effectively), then he misses a month or so with injury and regresses straight back to the mean.

A player so fragile, so easily knocked is going to struggle to ever make it at a decent level - though like all of them, I’d be interested to see them under a decent coaching set up.

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On 03/04/2021 at 07:56, arbitro said:

Brereton has never been good enough and I don't think he ever will improve but he has some sympathy from me. It wasn't him who decided he was worth £7m and put massive expectations on him through that. It was Mowbray who decided to pay hugely over the odds on the strength of a dead rubber match at Trent Bridge if the stories are to be believed. It's just another awful Mowbray decision and now it's almost like he is trying to prove himself right by playing him when he is clearly out of his depth. In just over a years time Brereton is out of contract giving somebody a big decision to make.

This is another area to watch. 

With all of the other repair and replace that needs doing in the squad this summer, Brereton isn't perceived as an issue. But sooner or later somebody needs to decide whether to cut their losses and let him leave in 12 months, or offer him a new contract in the hope that he comes good and they can recoup some money in later years.

I suspect new contract will be incoming over the summer as they will still feel they can get something back from the player, and therefore he will be shoe-horned in front of the likes of Dolan to justify it.

He was better this season than the previous two, but he was still pretty poor. 

 

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Unless he can meet a later day Big Sam and be converted to a bruiser Striker than he's doomed to be .... well just below mediocre.

Kevin Davies as least started with a decent shot and would at least put his head to the ball.

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His last goal was a proper CF goal. Showed a lot of strength and produced a tidy finish where he would normally just fall over to try and buy a free kick. It at least shows he has it in him. 

 

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17 minutes ago, JacknOry said:

His last goal was a proper CF goal. Showed a lot of strength and produced a tidy finish where he would normally just fall over to try and buy a free kick. It at least shows he has it in him. 

 

It was a good strike. In the stopped clock category.

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1 hour ago, Hasta said:

This is another area to watch. 

With all of the other repair and replace that needs doing in the squad this summer, Brereton isn't perceived as an issue. But sooner or later somebody needs to decide whether to cut their losses and let him leave in 12 months, or offer him a new contract in the hope that he comes good and they can recoup some money in later years.

I suspect new contract will be incoming over the summer as they will still feel they can get something back from the player, and therefore he will be shoe-horned in front of the likes of Dolan to justify it.

He was better this season than the previous two, but he was still pretty poor. 

 

He's better than Dolan though - albeit there's room for both in the starting 11.

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55 minutes ago, JacknOry said:

His last goal was a proper CF goal. Showed a lot of strength and produced a tidy finish where he would normally just fall over to try and buy a free kick. It at least shows he has it in him. 

 

Who was the defender again? cos ya you wouldn't often see Brereton do that 

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In defense of Brereton he started the season really well, picked up a two week injury and was inexplicably used as a bit part player whilst we were struggling then picked up again ass end of the season when he was consistently picked again. His numbers from out wide are nothing to be scoffed at and he's got very useful attributes. Under a different manager he'd be even better. I think Brereton largely is one of the players Mowbray has done the dirtiest in his time here with garbage management. The handling of him has been baffling and pathetic.

 

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1 hour ago, Hasta said:

With all of the other repair and replace that needs doing in the squad this summer, Brereton isn't perceived as an issue. But sooner or later somebody needs to decide whether to cut their losses and let him leave in 12 months, or offer him a new contract in the hope that he comes good and they can recoup some money in later years.

He was better this season than the previous two, but he was still pretty poor. 

 

I'm sorry but I completely disagree with this and don't know what the issue is with someone who is still a young player. 

He was one of our best players for most of last season and he only celebrated his 22nd birthday a couple of weeks ago. He's almost four years younger than Sam Gallagher, he's six months younger than supposed player-in-the-making Jacob Davenport (who can barely get in the team) and 18 months younger than both Harry Chapman and Lewis Travis. 

Just because we paid a lot of money for him doesn't change the laws of physics. He's just turned 22, he's showing a lot of potential and he needs to be given time to grow into the player he has the potential to be. Yes, we all expected a lot more considering the ridiculous fee, but let's remember he was a callow teenager when we (over)paid that. 

Rovers fans need to leave Ben alone and allow him to develop. 

 

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1 hour ago, TheRoversReturn said:

He was one of our best players for most of last season

You see, that's where we disagree. I think he was generally average to poor. So our viewpoint on extending his contract is going to differ.

At 22, you tend to know the abilities and limitations of players and I don't think he's going to be anything other than a mediocre Championship player. 

After 3 years we still don't know if he's a striker or a driving midfielder-cum-winger, as he doesn't look good enough at all as the former and all his better performances have come as the latter.

I think he could be replaced and improved upon relatively easily by a decent coaching / scouting network, but it wouldn't make financial sense to the club to discard an asset and spend more money to replace it. And that's my problem. In order to try and maximise the value of the asset, we will not look at replacing and improving the team when I believe it would be relatively easy to do so. (although the amount of squad renovation required means that there are more important changes needed elsewhere)

I'd be curious to see if a new manager came in whether he would see the potential in BB also, or if he would be limited in his appearances as the new manager would not have to worry about justifying the purchase.

 

 

 

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