Tyrone Shoelaces 11478 Posted September 26, 2020 Share Posted September 26, 2020 2 hours ago, Mr. E said: The one side of his game that has definitely improved is he is finally using his physicality a lot better, and his basic footballing skills like passing and running with the ball had slightly improved - though they were starting off close to 0. There is a limited way in which he is useful to the team right now, but by the evidence he still can't shoot and hardly can we rely on him to change the game or create something special. He has a long way to go still. But showing improvement is always a good sign. I think the area of the pitch he's playing in at the moment suits his game the best. He's not nimble enough to be a winger and playing with his back to goal doesn't suit him either. Picking the ball up around the half way line and running with it like an old inside left is probably what he does best. He's not going to be a prolific goalscorer but he may make chances for other players. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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S8 & Blue 3123 Posted October 24, 2020 Share Posted October 24, 2020 Has anyone checked if he actually has a hole in his arse? Cos he’s certainly a player motm Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JacknOry 4698 Posted October 24, 2020 Share Posted October 24, 2020 9 minutes ago, S8 & Blue said: Has anyone checked if he actually has a hole in his arse? Cos he’s certainly a player motm Best player on pitch today and that's saying something considering the performances of Holtby and Elliot. Hope this is the start of us getting the player we hoped for. Seems confident and this will only increase after today. Chuffed for the boy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hoochie Bloochie Mama 3982 Posted October 24, 2020 Share Posted October 24, 2020 20 minutes ago, S8 & Blue said: Has anyone checked if he actually has a hole in his arse? Cos he’s certainly a player motm You've clearly waited a long time to score these points ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
S8 & Blue 3123 Posted October 24, 2020 Share Posted October 24, 2020 25 minutes ago, Hoochie Bloochie Mama said: You've clearly waited a long time to score these points ? I certainly have, but never doubted him for a second. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tomphil 12376 Posted October 24, 2020 Share Posted October 24, 2020 Been a long time coming but he's now looking worth the punt, needs a season of being like that though rather than a few games. Confidence is a massive thing though and now he's got a bit stronger and is involved you can see the difference. Still think he was badly handled for a lot of his time here that more than anything got his head hanging you could tell. Anyway it doesn't really matter if he's finally found his feet. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
darrenrover 2533 Posted October 24, 2020 Share Posted October 24, 2020 Just now, tomphil said: Been a long time coming but he's now looking worth the punt, needs a season of being like that though rather than a few games. Confidence is a massive thing though and now he's got a bit stronger and is involved you can see the difference. Still think he was badly handled for a lot of his time here that more than anything got his head hanging you could tell. Anyway it doesn't really matter if he's finally found his feet. I think he must have been on something for 2 years and now he's been weaned off it. How else can you explain the difference? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Giant 350 Posted October 24, 2020 Share Posted October 24, 2020 To be honest, it’s very good to see a player who was bereft of confidence start to show what a good player he is. It’s also credit to Mowbray for sticking with him when the player was becoming something of a laughing stock. I for one hope that he continues to progress and prove all the doubters wrong, because in these days of instant gratification when there is little room for patience and a long term view of life, it’s great to see that this is the most productive approach to most things. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tomphil 12376 Posted October 24, 2020 Share Posted October 24, 2020 5 minutes ago, darrenrover said: I think he must have been on something for 2 years and now he's been weaned off it. How else can you explain the difference? Developing a bit of mon strength and maybe that's helping his mental side of it and he's decided to go shit or bust ? The lack of fans could have something to do with it though and i don't mean because of any stick. If he got any it was very minimal but he must've known himself he wasn't doing well enough but a bit of a less pressurised enviroment has probably helped. Then again the higher tempo pressing style suits this team better all round in general. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ossydave 1850 Posted October 24, 2020 Share Posted October 24, 2020 21 minutes ago, darrenrover said: I think he must have been on something for 2 years and now he's been weaned off it. How else can you explain the difference? I can. Fans. Bearing in mind this is a young fella who's played most of his better days at u19/20 level where he stood out as brilliant. Of course he needs to get over that stage fright if he wants to really progress, but as it stands, its doing him wonders for him without the added pressure. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Paul Mani 3046 Posted October 24, 2020 Share Posted October 24, 2020 It was always very dangerous to write him off. VERY highly rated around the youth circuit and expected to go into big things. Tell you what, you wouldn’t wanna play against him, Arma and Elliott would you!? Pace, power, finishing and an eye for a pass! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
roversfan99 8170 Posted October 24, 2020 Share Posted October 24, 2020 Ultimately for 2 years he was understandably criticised because he looked totally out of place on a football pitch. Youth football is not a strong indicator of anything, Jason Lowe was England under 21 captain. Recently he has looked a much improved player and has seemingly found a best position, whereas Gallagher has no suitability playing wide, it suits Brereton in a 3 in that the onus on goalscoring is lessened, he can run with the ball, he doesnt have much defensive responsibility and he can hold the ball up against players who arent necessarily as physically imposing. He has to start scoring to really nail down his place in the line up over time and even start to think about coming close to living up to the price tag, but there are definitely some green shoots. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Roverinbelfast 247 Posted October 24, 2020 Share Posted October 24, 2020 The concern is now, he starts to shine and leaves at the end of next season on a free... That would just be our luck lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tyrone Shoelaces 11478 Posted October 24, 2020 Share Posted October 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, roversfan99 said: Ultimately for 2 years he was understandably criticised because he looked totally out of place on a football pitch. Youth football is not a strong indicator of anything, Jason Lowe was England under 21 captain. Recently he has looked a much improved player and has seemingly found a best position, whereas Gallagher has no suitability playing wide, it suits Brereton in a 3 in that the onus on goalscoring is lessened, he can run with the ball, he doesnt have much defensive responsibility and he can hold the ball up against players who arent necessarily as physically imposing. He has to start scoring to really nail down his place in the line up over time and even start to think about coming close to living up to the price tag, but there are definitely some green shoots. Running with the ball from around half way in centre field is his strength. Nobody likes defending against players who can do that. It asks the back four questions they don't always have the answers to. Playing with his back to goal or out on the touchline isn't his strong point. If the goals are coming I'm not overly bothered who's scoring them. Having said that it's always advantageous to have the goals spread around the team. If he can reproduce that performance against an 11 man Reading I'll start believing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tomphil 12376 Posted October 24, 2020 Share Posted October 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Roverinbelfast said: The concern is now, he starts to shine and leaves at the end of next season on a free... That would just be our luck lol You might just have actually hit on why he's pulling his finger out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Exiled in Toronto 2690 Posted October 24, 2020 Share Posted October 24, 2020 2 hours ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said: Running with the ball from around half way in centre field is his strength. Nobody likes defending against players who can do that. It asks the back four questions they don't always have the answers to. Playing with his back to goal or out on the touchline isn't his strong point. If the goals are coming I'm not overly bothered who's scoring them. Having said that it's always advantageous to have the goals spread around the team. If he can reproduce that performance against an 11 man Reading I'll start believing. The last couple of games, when he gets the ball in midfield I’m now expecting him to turn his man, run at the back four and pass to a teammate. His assists today were terrific I thought, plus a few where the shooter missed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vilesinner 349 Posted October 24, 2020 Share Posted October 24, 2020 3 hours ago, Ossydave said: I can. Fans. Bearing in mind this is a young fella who's played most of his better days at u19/20 level where he stood out as brilliant. Of course he needs to get over that stage fright if he wants to really progress, but as it stands, its doing him wonders for him without the added pressure. I can. He is physically far stronger and no longer s kid. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tyrone Shoelaces 11478 Posted October 24, 2020 Share Posted October 24, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Exiled in Toronto said: The last couple of games, when he gets the ball in midfield I’m now expecting him to turn his man, run at the back four and pass to a teammate. His assists today were terrific I thought, plus a few where the shooter missed. I hated playing as a defensive midfield player when the opposition had a player who could carry the ball like that. You were always in two minds - should I stay with the guy I was supposed to be marking or try and get to the ball carrier and block the threat. Of course the smart ones knew that and I soon as you left your man to block their run they passed it to the guy you had just left. Edited October 24, 2020 by Tyrone Shoelaces Quote Link to post Share on other sites
47er 8657 Posted October 24, 2020 Share Posted October 24, 2020 3 hours ago, Roverinbelfast said: The concern is now, he starts to shine and leaves at the end of next season on a free... That would just be our luck lol And you're illustrating why this was never a good buy. In the situation we were, it was crazy to spend all that money on a player who might come good in 2 or 3 years. We needed a striker who was up for it from day one, whereas we've been carrying him for 2 seasons till now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
47er 8657 Posted October 24, 2020 Share Posted October 24, 2020 On 27/09/2020 at 03:46, Hasta said: Excellent today and heavily involved in the game having been pretty average so far this season. Not a goalscorer. More a goalmisser in fact. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Roverinbelfast 247 Posted October 24, 2020 Share Posted October 24, 2020 7 minutes ago, 47er said: And you're illustrating why this was never a good buy. In the situation we were, it was crazy to spend all that money on a player who might come good in 2 or 3 years. We needed a striker who was up for it from day one, whereas we've been carrying him for 2 seasons till now. As things stand currently it was a terrible buy. I don't think anyone can say otherwise. The stats don't lie. I also don't hold the manager to ransom on that, you win some and loose some when buying players. Brereton was definitely a project signing. With the long term goal being able to sell him on for much more than we paid Quote Link to post Share on other sites
47er 8657 Posted October 24, 2020 Share Posted October 24, 2020 Just now, Roverinbelfast said: As things stand currently it was a terrible buy. I don't think anyone can say otherwise. The stats don't lie. I also don't hold the manager to ransom on that, you win some and loose some when buying players. Brereton was definitely a project signing. With the long term goal being able to sell him on for much more than we paid Just trying to imagine the furore there would have been if we'd signed Jordan Rhodes for £7M only to be told not to expect much from him till the third season with us! Agree with comment above, it looks like he was bought to improve and cash in. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Roverinbelfast 247 Posted October 24, 2020 Share Posted October 24, 2020 4 minutes ago, 47er said: Just trying to imagine the furore there would have been if we'd signed Jordan Rhodes for £7M only to be told not to expect much from him till the third season with us! Agree with comment above, it looks like he was bought to improve and cash in. Yeah. The signing was strange to say the least. Especially when money is meant to be tight. But it is what it is. I would love him to come good, but he is still a long way away from justifying the price tag Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Admiral Nelsen 1121 Posted October 24, 2020 Share Posted October 24, 2020 21 minutes ago, 47er said: And you're illustrating why this was never a good buy. In the situation we were, it was crazy to spend all that money on a player who might come good in 2 or 3 years. We needed a striker who was up for it from day one, whereas we've been carrying him for 2 seasons till now. Counterpoint: our squad that season was always likely to stay up comfortably but was much more than a 7 million pound striker away from being top 6 contenders. Obviously we were all hoping for more from him before now, but seems to me that our need is much greater now we have a squad who on paper can challenge rather than when we were a nailed on mid-table side. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
philipl 7017 Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 Much more confident about Brereton than I have ever been about Gallagher. I rewatched highlights of the Watford game and must admit I thought Foster had dropped a clanger letting that one in on Wednesday night's viewing. But in fact it is an amazing strike by Ben with bend bouncing just in front of the keeper and going through a ball's width gap between diving keeper and post. I urge everyone to look at the camera angle behind the goal and not go wow! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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