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2 hours ago, Mr. E said:

The one side of his game that has definitely improved is he is finally using his physicality a lot better, and his basic footballing skills like passing and running with the ball had slightly improved - though they were starting off close to 0.

There is a limited way in which he is useful to the team right now, but by the evidence he still can't shoot and hardly can we rely on him to change the game or create something special. He has a long way to go still. But showing improvement is always a good sign. 

I think the area of the pitch he's playing in at the moment suits his game the best. He's not nimble enough to be a winger and playing with his back to goal doesn't suit him either. Picking the ball up around the half way line and running with it like an old inside left is probably what he does best. He's not going to be a prolific goalscorer but he may make chances for other players.

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I suspect what’s happened here is as follows... Brereton has performed poorly, again, and been subbed off. A few people have made ironic cheers, maybe the odd couple have booed, and a few people

Exciting times  

I too would like to see them both under a different manager. Preferably at a different club.

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9 minutes ago, S8 & Blue said:

Has anyone checked if he actually has a hole in his arse?

 

Cos he’s certainly a player

 

motm

Best player on pitch today and that's saying something considering the performances of Holtby and Elliot. Hope this is the start of us getting the player we hoped for. Seems confident and this will only increase after today. Chuffed for the boy.

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Been a long time coming but he's now looking worth the punt, needs a season of being like that though rather than a few games. Confidence is a massive thing though and now he's got a bit stronger and is involved you can see the difference.

Still think he was badly handled for a lot of his time here that more than anything got his head hanging you could tell.  Anyway it doesn't really matter if he's finally found his feet.

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Just now, tomphil said:

Been a long time coming but he's now looking worth the punt, needs a season of being like that though rather than a few games. Confidence is a massive thing though and now he's got a bit stronger and is involved you can see the difference.

Still think he was badly handled for a lot of his time here that more than anything got his head hanging you could tell.  Anyway it doesn't really matter if he's finally found his feet.

I think he must have been on something for 2 years and now he's been weaned off it. How else can you explain the difference?

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To be honest, it’s very good to see a player who was bereft of confidence start to show what a good player he is. It’s also credit to Mowbray for sticking with him when the player was becoming something of a laughing stock. I for one hope that he continues to progress and prove all the doubters wrong, because in these days of instant gratification when there is little room for patience and a long term view of life, it’s great to see that this is the most productive approach to most things.

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5 minutes ago, darrenrover said:

I think he must have been on something for 2 years and now he's been weaned off it. How else can you explain the difference?

Developing a bit of mon strength and maybe that's helping his mental side of it and he's decided to go shit or bust ?

The lack of fans could have something to do with it though and i don't mean because of any stick. If he got any it was very minimal but he must've known himself he wasn't doing well enough but a bit of a less pressurised enviroment has probably helped.

Then again the higher tempo pressing style suits this team better all round in general.

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21 minutes ago, darrenrover said:

I think he must have been on something for 2 years and now he's been weaned off it. How else can you explain the difference?

I can.

Fans.

Bearing in mind this is a young fella who's played most of his better days at u19/20 level where he stood out as brilliant. 

Of course he needs to get over that stage fright if he wants to really progress, but as it stands, its doing him wonders for him without the added pressure.

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It was always very dangerous to write him off. VERY highly rated around the youth circuit and expected to go into big things.

Tell you what, you wouldn’t wanna play against him, Arma and Elliott would you!? Pace, power, finishing and an eye for a pass! 

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Ultimately for 2 years he was understandably criticised because he looked totally out of place on a football pitch. Youth football is not a strong indicator of anything, Jason Lowe was England under 21 captain.

Recently he has looked a much improved player and has seemingly found a best position, whereas Gallagher has no suitability playing wide, it suits Brereton in a 3 in that the onus on goalscoring is lessened, he can run with the ball, he doesnt have much defensive responsibility and he can hold the ball up against players who arent necessarily as physically imposing.

He has to start scoring to really nail down his place in the line up over time and even start to think about coming close to living up to the price tag, but there are definitely some green shoots.

 

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2 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Ultimately for 2 years he was understandably criticised because he looked totally out of place on a football pitch. Youth football is not a strong indicator of anything, Jason Lowe was England under 21 captain.

Recently he has looked a much improved player and has seemingly found a best position, whereas Gallagher has no suitability playing wide, it suits Brereton in a 3 in that the onus on goalscoring is lessened, he can run with the ball, he doesnt have much defensive responsibility and he can hold the ball up against players who arent necessarily as physically imposing.

He has to start scoring to really nail down his place in the line up over time and even start to think about coming close to living up to the price tag, but there are definitely some green shoots.

 

Running with the ball from around half way in centre field is his strength. Nobody likes defending against players who can do that. It asks the back four questions they don't always have the answers to.  Playing with his back to goal or out on the touchline isn't his strong point. If the goals are coming I'm not overly bothered who's scoring them. Having said that it's always advantageous to have the goals spread around the team. If he can reproduce that performance against an 11 man Reading I'll start believing.

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1 hour ago, Roverinbelfast said:

The concern is now, he starts to shine and leaves at the end of next season on a free... That would just be our luck lol 

You might just have actually hit on why he's pulling his finger out.

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2 hours ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Running with the ball from around half way in centre field is his strength. Nobody likes defending against players who can do that. It asks the back four questions they don't always have the answers to.  Playing with his back to goal or out on the touchline isn't his strong point. If the goals are coming I'm not overly bothered who's scoring them. Having said that it's always advantageous to have the goals spread around the team. If he can reproduce that performance against an 11 man Reading I'll start believing.

The last couple of games, when he gets the ball in midfield I’m now expecting him to turn his man, run at the back four and pass to a teammate. His assists today were terrific I thought, plus a few where the shooter missed.

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3 hours ago, Ossydave said:

I can.

Fans.

Bearing in mind this is a young fella who's played most of his better days at u19/20 level where he stood out as brilliant. 

Of course he needs to get over that stage fright if he wants to really progress, but as it stands, its doing him wonders for him without the added pressure.

I can. He is physically far stronger and no longer s kid.

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11 minutes ago, Exiled in Toronto said:

The last couple of games, when he gets the ball in midfield I’m now expecting him to turn his man, run at the back four and pass to a teammate. His assists today were terrific I thought, plus a few where the shooter missed.

I hated playing as a defensive midfield player when the opposition had a player who could carry the ball like that. You were always in two minds - should I stay with the guy I was supposed to be marking or try and get to the ball carrier and block the threat. Of course the smart ones knew that and I soon as you left your man to block their run they passed it to the guy you had just left.

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3 hours ago, Roverinbelfast said:

The concern is now, he starts to shine and leaves at the end of next season on a free... That would just be our luck lol 

And you're illustrating why this was never a good buy. In the situation we were, it was crazy to spend all that money on a player who might come good in 2 or 3 years.

We needed a striker who was up for it from day one, whereas we've been carrying him for 2 seasons till now.

 

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7 minutes ago, 47er said:

And you're illustrating why this was never a good buy. In the situation we were, it was crazy to spend all that money on a player who might come good in 2 or 3 years.

We needed a striker who was up for it from day one, whereas we've been carrying him for 2 seasons till now.

 

As things stand currently it was a terrible buy. I don't think anyone can say otherwise. The stats don't lie. I also don't hold the manager to ransom on that, you win some and loose some when buying players. 

Brereton was definitely a project signing. With the long term goal being able to sell him on for much more than we paid

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Just now, Roverinbelfast said:

As things stand currently it was a terrible buy. I don't think anyone can say otherwise. The stats don't lie. I also don't hold the manager to ransom on that, you win some and loose some when buying players. 

Brereton was definitely a project signing. With the long term goal being able to sell him on for much more than we paid

Just trying to imagine the furore there would have been if we'd signed Jordan Rhodes for £7M only to be told not to expect much from him till the third season with us!

Agree with comment above, it looks like he was bought to improve and cash in.

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4 minutes ago, 47er said:

Just trying to imagine the furore there would have been if we'd signed Jordan Rhodes for £7M only to be told not to expect much from him till the third season with us!

Agree with comment above, it looks like he was bought to improve and cash in.

Yeah. The signing was strange to say the least. Especially when money is meant to be tight. But it is what it is. I would love him to come good, but he is still a long way away from justifying the price tag

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21 minutes ago, 47er said:

And you're illustrating why this was never a good buy. In the situation we were, it was crazy to spend all that money on a player who might come good in 2 or 3 years.

We needed a striker who was up for it from day one, whereas we've been carrying him for 2 seasons till now.

 

Counterpoint: our squad that season was always likely to stay up comfortably but was much more than a 7 million pound striker away from being top 6 contenders. 

Obviously we were all hoping for more from him before now, but seems to me that our need is much greater now we have a squad who on paper can challenge rather than when we were a nailed on mid-table side.

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Much more confident about Brereton than I have ever been about Gallagher.

I rewatched highlights of the Watford game and must admit I thought Foster had dropped a clanger letting that one in on Wednesday night's viewing.

But in fact it is an amazing strike by Ben with bend bouncing just in front of the keeper and going through a ball's width gap between diving keeper and post.

I urge everyone to look at the camera angle behind the goal and not go wow!

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