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9 hours ago, 47er said:

And you're illustrating why this was never a good buy. In the situation we were, it was crazy to spend all that money on a player who might come good in 2 or 3 years.

We needed a striker who was up for it from day one, whereas we've been carrying him for 2 seasons till now.

 

So just draw 30m out and sign Ollie Watkins instead next time yeah?

 

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I suspect what’s happened here is as follows... Brereton has performed poorly, again, and been subbed off. A few people have made ironic cheers, maybe the odd couple have booed, and a few people

Exciting times  

I too would like to see them both under a different manager. Preferably at a different club.

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13 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Youth football is not a strong indicator of anything, Jason Lowe was England under 21 captain.

Ronnie Clayton made his first team debut at the age of 16 and became the England captain!

I don't know what that has to do with anything---I just like it!

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I'd rather have Ben playing at Rovers than have sold Watkins to Villa.

Of the BMW at Brentford, Watkins was clearly the Premier League quality player with the other two fantastic at Championship level but a big? over whether they can make it in a higher league.

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12 minutes ago, Hoochie Bloochie Mama said:

You don't need to spend £30m to get a ready-made Championship striker do you?

Possibly not but Brereton came from Nottingham Forest and had been around the England youth setup where he shone. Watkins came from Exeter with experience playing for Weston-super-Mare, its a bit different but fair play to them on that one. I suspect the general concensus at Brockhall is that they're trying to develop him rather than 'carry' him. I concede thats taken longer than anyone would have liked, be that through poor coaching, lack of ability or purely lack of confidence i don't really know. If he plays like he did yesterday for 20+ games this season he becomes a 20m+ player and the 'carrying' pays dividends - it would be far too premature to say that's going to happen yet obviously but fingers crossed!

 

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6 minutes ago, 47er said:

And Brereton was so we paid £7M for him. Have I got that right?

I don’t think anyone is saying Brereton was the finished article when we signed him, and until he gets some more goals he’ll not be the finished article in my eyes. As Ossydave said above, he’ll be worth much much more than £7m if he ends the season as well as he started. Watkins was a complete steal for Brentford but you can’t always expect to get those bargains. We lucked out with Dack and Arma, and to my mind paid a premium for BB. Thankfully it’s beginning to look like £7m invested rather than £7m squandered. 

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What Brereton did for the side yesterday (and consistently in previous games this season) was brilliant. Even before their player was dismissed, they had no answer to his drive, ability to hold on to the ball, his awareness of team mates' positioning or his energy. The fact he kept it up for the full 90 minutes was part of the reason we were still looking hungry for goals until the final whistle - how many games have we seen in the past where Rovers sides have coasted  once they've got one or two goals up, only to be pegged back or even overwhelmed by hungrier opposition? I like this new Ben Brereton - he was unlucky not to score yesterday, and surely he will start potting goals at some point if this new improved version of the player we bought continues to shine.

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15 minutes ago, 47er said:

And Brereton was so we paid £7M for him. Have I got that right?

No or he would have cost around the same as Watkins when he was deemed the finished article, that's the point I'm making.

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I think what we are seeing with both manager and players is that time can be the greatest asset.

Most clubs in the Championship don’t have the patience (or finances) to wait around for two years + for the required improvement. They need promotion.

We have a set up in which the manager is seemingly under little pressure from his Chief Exec or owners. Maybe this very odd set up is actually working out to our benefit.

Though the crux of it all will be FFP...
 

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1 hour ago, WIR Second Coming said:

What Brereton did for the side yesterday (and consistently in previous games this season) was brilliant. Even before their player was dismissed, they had no answer to his drive, ability to hold on to the ball, his awareness of team mates' positioning or his energy. The fact he kept it up for the full 90 minutes was part of the reason we were still looking hungry for goals until the final whistle - how many games have we seen in the past where Rovers sides have coasted  once they've got one or two goals up, only to be pegged back or even overwhelmed by hungrier opposition? I like this new Ben Brereton - he was unlucky not to score yesterday, and surely he will start potting goals at some point if this new improved version of the player we bought continues to shine.

 Let's see if he can reproduce that performance when it matters on Tuesday night. The key to unlocking ultra defensive  teams who park the bus is players running at them with the ball, not lumping it into the box from distance. Committing defenders and making them go to places they don't want to go. Either breaking through or drawing free kicks in dangerous areas. If he can do that against a very well organised team who will no doubt have been made aware of his way of playing then and already have a plan to deal with him, then I'll start to believe.

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The two games we have failed to create chances were against Cardiff and Forest.

Against Cardiff the conditions were atrocious and against Forest missing half a squad,and at least 5 of those we would have to consider starting players.

It's still too early to judge how we will fare this season but I don't see many teams being able to cope with our attacking players

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6 minutes ago, islander200 said:

The two games we have failed to create chances were against Cardiff and Forest.

Against Cardiff the conditions were atrocious and against Forest missing half a squad,and at least 5 of those we would have to consider starting players.

It's still too early to judge how we will fare this season but I don't see many teams being able to cope with our attacking players

As long as they aren't able to cope with our defending ones too, then we should prevail ;)giphy.gif

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23 minutes ago, WIR Second Coming said:

As long as they aren't able to cope with our defending ones too, then we should prevail ;)giphy.gif

I think the defence will be much improved with the arrivals of Kaminski, Ayala and Douglas and hopefully Trybull can give a better shield in front of them.

We have conceded 7 goals so far 3 each coming away at Bournemouth and Watford who are both blessed with much better attacking talent than most the division, and conceded a deflected shot v Forest.

Still the style Mowbray is implementing will leave us open at the back,IF we can start being a little more clinical in front of goal then we will have too much for most teams.

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6 hours ago, WIR Second Coming said:

What Brereton did for the side yesterday (and consistently in previous games this season) was brilliant. Even before their player was dismissed, they had no answer to his drive, ability to hold on to the ball, his awareness of team mates' positioning or his energy. The fact he kept it up for the full 90 minutes was part of the reason we were still looking hungry for goals until the final whistle - how many games have we seen in the past where Rovers sides have coasted  once they've got one or two goals up, only to be pegged back or even overwhelmed by hungrier opposition? I like this new Ben Brereton - he was unlucky not to score yesterday, and surely he will start potting goals at some point if this new improved version of the player we bought continues to shine.

His tracking back was incredible. BB was everywhere. He is the epitome of a team player.

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1 hour ago, Vilesinner said:

His tracking back was incredible. BB was everywhere. He is the epitome of a team player.

And that is what will set us apart over a season, when we can field a team full of battlers who play for each other and the team - I think it is coming together, and was very pleased to see the team spirit in full view during yesterday's game. Sure, we will lose some, but at least when players are putting in that much effort, we can at least feel that we've done our best for the Blue and White brand :)

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