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I had a similar comment in response to me about the ‘Rovers Boo Boys’ 

I said I thought the ewood fans had been patient with him to the extent he’s had quite an easy ride compared to Gallagher etc

I remember talk of people giving him grief at Birmingham away (people suggested he was in tears when he came off) but there’s barely been a peep of discontent at home if anything it leant into slightly patronising over praise for simple things.

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Hello all. Thought I'd register on here tonight as I'm a Stoke fan living in Chile for the past 15 years, following the local football all that time through thick and thin, completely bewildered by th

I agree that £7 for an unproven player was not a good investment, regardless of what happens now.   It must be difficult for many of the true Rovers fans here [i just showed up and confess to not

I suspect what’s happened here is as follows... Brereton has performed poorly, again, and been subbed off. A few people have made ironic cheers, maybe the odd couple have booed, and a few people

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36 minutes ago, TruRover said:

What I will say about BB is that everyone in this message board at some point has had huge doubts about him and the fee we laid out for his services. However not once do I feel the fan base has turned on him and made him a scapegoat, he’s an extremely likeable figure who every fan has wanted to do well. 
 

At this point you wouldn’t even think the 6million we spent is unreasonable. His performances in the Copa America against big international teams have been very decent, seemingly making himself a key part of chiles squad and more importantly focal to their future. If all goes well he will end up being there main attacker at the World Cup if they qualify. His confidence looks sky high atm and I can’t wait to see him next season. We need to get him signed to a long term contract ASAP. 

On another note, this represents an extremely poor reflection on TM. He has failed to get these kind of performances from Ben regularly in 3 years. 

 

Totally agree that he has never been made a scapegoat. He looked so out of his depth for 2 years, that criticism on here is par for the course, we come on here to praise good performers and criticise poor ones, somewhere where players dont (or shouldnt) see. But that never materialised into rounding up on him in stadiums as many would love us to believe.

There is no way that he is close to being value for 6m though yet. He had a decent season last season, 7 goals and 5 assists is plenty to build on and such an upgrade on previous seasons but not worth 6/7m.

It is easy to get caught up in Chile fever especially after his goal but that was against a Bolivia side ranked 81st in the world, below Panama, Syria and Oman. Lovely pass in the build up to Vargas' goal yesterday too to be fair against a good standard of team. But his Copa America exploits whilst of course we are happy to see him enjoying himself dont make much difference to his value.

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4 minutes ago, Tom said:

I had a similar comment in response to me about the ‘Rovers Boo Boys’ 

I said I thought the ewood fans had been patient with him to the extent he’s had quite an easy ride compared to Gallagher etc

I remember talk of people giving him grief at Birmingham away (people suggested he was in tears when he came off) but there’s barely been a peep of discontent at home if anything it leant into slightly patronising over praise for simple things.

Has Gallagher even not had an "easy ride" to be fair. I do specifically recall a song of "why the fucks he on the wing?" but that was very much aimed at Mowbray.

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To be honest, most of the criticism has been about the amount we paid for BB (and SG), something which the players themselves have zero control over. If we'd paid say £500k for a young, promising BB and £1m for SG, I don't think there'd have been half the amount of discussion around either player.

Yes, we've moaned about them on here, but generally in relation to the fee paid. I don't recall anyone getting personal about it. 

As for grief from the stands, I can only speak for home games, but as @Tom said, if anything we've tried to be over supportive as we'd all like nothing better than the pair of them to turn into world beaters. If that ever happened (extremely unlikely) then the only winners are Rovers which tends to makes us fans quite happy!

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44 minutes ago, windymiller7 said:

To be honest, most of the criticism has been about the amount we paid for BB (and SG), something which the players themselves have zero control over. If we'd paid say £500k for a young, promising BB and £1m for SG, I don't think there'd have been half the amount of discussion around either player.

Yes, we've moaned about them on here, but generally in relation to the fee paid. I don't recall anyone getting personal about it. 

As for grief from the stands, I can only speak for home games, but as @Tom said, if anything we've tried to be over supportive as we'd all like nothing better than the pair of them to turn into world beaters. If that ever happened (extremely unlikely) then the only winners are Rovers which tends to makes us fans quite happy!

Both BB and SG have had a pretty easy ride. I agree that neither has control over their ridiculous fees.

Lets face facts, though. Both have been very poor for most games.

In a Rovers fan context , both are in a similar league to the likes of Paul McKinnon, John O'Mara, Kevin Davies, Jack Lewis and the fading John Radford..(Oh, there's such a long list!)

Obviously, that could change for both SG and BB....but it really does need to-and quickly!

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31 minutes ago, Leonard Venkhater said:

Both BB and SG have had a pretty easy ride. I agree that neither has control over their ridiculous fees.

Lets face facts, though. Both have been very poor for most games.

In a Rovers fan context , both are in a similar league to the likes of Paul McKinnon, John O'Mara, Kevin Davies, Jack Lewis and the fading John Radford..(Oh, there's such a long list!)

Obviously, that could change for both SG and BB....but it really does need to-and quickly!

Oh, I totally agree. My comment was more in relation to those on FB/Twitter saying "we've" spent 2 years slagging BB off, which clearly isn't true. We've mainly spent 2 years slagging off Mowbray for spending £12m on him & Gally.

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49 minutes ago, Leonard Venkhater said:

In a Rovers fan context , both are in a similar league to the likes of Paul McKinnon, John O'Mara, Kevin Davies, Jack Lewis and the fading John Radford..(Oh, there's such a long list!)

And as it turned out, Kevin Davies could be alright if utilised the right way under a proper manager.

Makes you think about Gallagher and Brereton. 

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10 hours ago, Ossydave said:

We need to sign Vargas to partner him up top next season. Despite the obvious language barrier they seem to be building a good understanding. Instead we'll have Sam bumbling about like a semi tranquilized pony.

 

Vargas has always been an underperforming club player.  He is what's known as a "cup player": he's good in tournaments and short spurts.  There are players out there who for X reason never quite perform well for clubs  and seem to wind up at a different team every year, and yet somehow over perform for the national team.  Vargas is one such player.  He is highest scoring active player in the Copa America with 14 goals (tied for 5th all time Copa America leading scorer) and the 2nd ALL TIME scorer for Chile with 40 goals (behind Alexis w/46 goals).  He already had an unremarkable stint at Queens Park Rangers in the 2014-15 season, which ended with his injury and QPR relegated.  I would not wish him upon Rovers.  He is undisciplined party animal (involved, as usual, in the latest internal chilean alcohol-fuled barber scandal with fellow trouble-maker and drunk Arturo Vidal) and is unreliable for club.  And he's old. 

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Chileans are hoping Ben Brereton stays away from the likes of Arturo Vidal and Vargas ("the rotten apples"), and from what you can see on social media, he is.  He is seen socializing with temm captain Claudio Bravo (played at Manchester Shitty), and especially Mauricio Isla (played at QPR with Vargas) who along with Alexis Sanchez (out with injury) all speak some Tarzan-version of English.  BB seems in good spirits and is learning plenty of chilean curse words with his new mates.  Along with Aranguiz, these are the "good apples" of the team.

It appears to be following the 1-1 draw against Uruguay earlier that day.  In it, Mauricio Isla tells his team mate in spanish "they only want to see him!" and repeatedly tells BB "you number one, Alexis Sanchez finished!  You are number one!  You're Presidente de Chile!"  Later, Claudio Bravo conveys to Isla that social media is requesting Brereton be taught some Chilean curse words.  The video ends with Brereton saying "Hola Chile" and "Chilenos culiaos" (literally "bum fucked chileans" or "fucking chileans!") and Isla exclaiming about BB "...This guy is so lovely!"

Ben10 (Ben Diez, not Ben Ten) seems to be the most common nickname for the Anglo-Chilean.

 

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Just now, LordBaltimore said:

Later, Claudio Bravo conveys to Isla that social media is requesting Brereton be taught some Chilean curse words.  The video ends with Brereton saying "Hola Chile" and "Chilenos culiaos" (literally "bum fucked chileans" or "fucking chileans!") and Isla exclaiming about BB "...This guy is so lovely!"

And how did that go down?

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56 minutes ago, Hoochie Bloochie Mama said:

 

And how did that go down?

Great!  Cursewords & expressions translate poorly, even within the languages [no other spanish speakers use "culiao" besides chileans] so no one of course took offense to this or took it personally.  He doesnt know what he is saying.  It's like teaching a child to curse.  It's the innocence that makes it cute, funny, and endearing.  He is not learning Spanish, he is learning Chilean and there is a HUGE difference. 

Chileans value that he is cursing in chilean.  Curse words and chilean slang will aide Ben Diez in bonding further with his team mates & endears him even further to a chilean public that already loves him.

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42 minutes ago, LordBaltimore said:

Great!  Cursewords & expressions translate poorly, even within the languages [no other spanish speakers use "culiao" besides chileans] so no one of course took offense to this or took it personally.  He doesnt know what he is saying.  It's like teaching a child to curse.  It's the innocence that makes it cute, funny, and endearing.  He is not learning Spanish, he is learning Chilean and there is a HUGE difference. 

Chileans value that he is cursing in chilean.  Curse words and chilean slang will aide Ben Diez in bonding further with his team mates & endears him even further to a chilean public that already loves him.

When I was first learning Spanish, the teacher did bring up on a regular basis the differences at times, between the South American Spanish and the traditional Spanish. It was interesting to know how some of it did differ so much.

Little words such as Olives for example are completely different, but the scary bit is getting a none offensive word, mixed up with offensive ones and there are several examples of that.

All good fun I guess.

My favourite by the way is es la leche, where the literal translation and the meaning in a certain context, are poles apart.

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2 hours ago, LordBaltimore said:

Vargas has always been an underperforming club player.  He is what's known as a "cup player": he's good in tournaments and short spurts.  There are players out there who for X reason never quite perform well for clubs  and seem to wind up at a different team every year, and yet somehow over perform for the national team.  Vargas is one such player.  He is highest scoring active player in the Copa America with 14 goals (tied for 5th all time Copa America leading scorer) and the 2nd ALL TIME scorer for Chile with 40 goals (behind Alexis w/46 goals).  He already had an unremarkable stint at Queens Park Rangers in the 2014-15 season, which ended with his injury and QPR relegated.  I would not wish him upon Rovers.  He is undisciplined party animal (involved, as usual, in the latest internal chilean alcohol-fuled barber scandal with fellow trouble-maker and drunk Arturo Vidal) and is unreliable for club.  And he's old. 

Yeah I don't think our recruitment will spread as far as signing players from Brazilian leagues for one minute, just an observation they link up well and that I can't see our Sam replicating it.

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