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Some good might come out of missing Bauer as with the egg it should have left on his chin Mowbray might now be double determined to get someone decent in and prove it ok to let that one slide. 

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Haha some folk honestly, don’t have anything to prove to anyone, been spot on the money with a good few leaks yet aye I’m making it all up. Give yourself a rest. I’m not claiming to be anything specia

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Just now, RevidgeBlue said:

What is mad is chasing a player for 12 months but not having the courage of your convictions to clinch the deal. If you're after a player, make sure it's someone you really want and have confidence in your judgement and be prepared to pay what is necessary to get the deal over the line.

Don't fanny about half heartedly for 12 months fluttering your eyelashes at a player you don't really want simply because there's a slight chance you might land him on the cheap.

There’s no suggestion we were fannyong about or offered less money. Mowbray obviously liked him but ultimately having spent is career in League one it would take one hell of a desperate championship club to offer him a starring role!? 

Mid asking him to fight for his position such a bad thing? 

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Mowbrays comments about telling Bauer he might not come into the team worry me simply because they IMO point to Mowbray being reluctant to dislodge the likes of Williams and Mulgrew, I suspect them 2, Bell and Bennett will play fairly regularly in our defence this season and if thats the case we simply will continue to leak goals. If them comments are because he planned to always sign another centre back then fair enough. A lack of ruthlessness continues to be his achilles heel.

Also would much prefer Armstrong, Rothwell and Chapman over Mahoney.

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Just now, Paul Mani said:

There’s no suggestion we were fannyong about or offered less money. Mowbray obviously liked him but ultimately having spent is career in League one it would take one hell of a desperate championship club to offer him a starring role!? 

Mid asking him to fight for his position such a bad thing? 

If he isnt capable of dislodging Mulgrew or Williams then why has he even been chasing him? We need to sign players who can come straight into the team and the defence. Lets see if he can be ruthless with the defence as he must.

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2 hours ago, philipl said:

I saw enough of Bauer to hope he would only be a squad player.

Questionable whether he would displace Williams and Mulgrew.

Then why has Mowbray monitored and chased for nigh on two years!?!

Our defence is appalling and it says everything about Mowbray when he is looking to sign squad players.

I think the lad has made the right decision going to Preston.  Neil will take him to another level and I think we will long rue Mowbray's inability to work the market.

After Mowbray's comments at Blues about signing players who will come in and make a difference, it only confirms suspicions.  I think Mowbray is full of bullsh1t and we are going nowhere with this man.

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Just now, roversfan99 said:

 

Also would much prefer Armstrong, Rothwell and Chapman over Mahoney.

I was gutted when Mahoney left, but I agree that if we signed him now, he would behind Rothwell and Armstrong at the very least.

I didn't blame him one bit for leaving, easy to forget just how much of an empty vessel of a club we seemed for most of our relegation season. In retrospect though, there's no doubt at all that his career would've benefited staying with us in L1 and playing every week. 

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Just now, S8 & Blue said:

I’d say we need to do both.

If Lenihan is injured (he will be at some point) we need someone to take his place.

True, but i'd rather be starting the season with Lenihan and a new 1st choice centre back than starting the season with Lenihan and Williams/Mulgrew and having someone slightly better than Downing come in for 15 games a season when Lenihan is injured.

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Just now, ewoodnews said:

I think a position that needs strengthening is RB and have someone who can teach the position to Nyambe better.  I like him when I see him but he needs to improve a lot of areas of his game!  RB would also allow to play Bennett further up the pitch with the energy he has.

 

 

I agree, but think nobody on here has mentioned left back. Bell has improved as the season has gone on but he doesn't fully convince. We also have no real backup as i'd rather play a training cone at left back than Williams.

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2 hours ago, philipl said:

I saw enough of Bauer to hope he would only be a squad player.

Questionable whether he would displace Williams and Mulgrew.

I didn't see much of Bauer but what I did see wasn't better than the way Williams was playing at the end of last season. I was hoping for a really good centre half signing that would be a defensive stalwart and an organiser to bring on our younger defenders, I can't say Bauer looked like that player to me.

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Just now, BlackburnEnd75 said:

I agree, but think nobody on here has mentioned left back. Bell has improved as the season has gone on but he doesn't fully convince. We also have no real backup as i'd rather play a training cone at left back than Williams.

Personally we could sort out our problems if we played 3 at the back then you could have Bell and Bennett as wing backs and they don't need to do as much defending.  They both have the energy for that role.

 

You could have Lenihan Mulgrew Hanley as back but I still worry about Mulgrew and if he would just cause havoc in that.  TM has tried a few time in pre season to play 3 at the back and I think it is what he would like to do long term.

The other issue is we would need a lot more cover for 3 CB and therefore  don't think we will do that.

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7 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Mowbrays comments about telling Bauer he might not come into the team worry me simply because they IMO point to Mowbray being reluctant to dislodge the likes of Williams and Mulgrew, I suspect them 2, Bell and Bennett will play fairly regularly in our defence this season and if thats the case we simply will continue to leak goals. If them comments are because he planned to always sign another centre back then fair enough. A lack of ruthlessness continues to be his achilles heel.

Also would much prefer Armstrong, Rothwell and Chapman over Mahoney.

Spot on the main thing you gather from it all is that as far as the beginning of the season goes he's keeping faith again and keeping his pecking order again.

We had a good start to last season when they were all fresh after summer and had the promotion bounce but the glaring porus defence was well in evidence right from the off because basically some of them struggle with Championship level football week in week out. Changing the defence about wily nily regularly looking for a formula never has the desired effect you don't need to have been a manager 20 years to realise that but being a professional centre half you should actually know how to put solid foundations in place and spot a mile off those who flatter to deceive.

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2 minutes ago, 47er said:

Then he's one! I actually think I remember him posting that.

2 points: its a view he's entitled to take.

One person's view should not become a stick with which to beat the MB in general

In fairness you only asked for one.

A third point! We all know his predictions anyway?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Just now, ewoodnews said:

Personally we could sort out our problems if we played 3 at the back then you could have Bell and Bennett as wing backs and they don't need to do as much defending.  They both have the energy for that role.

 

You could have Lenihan Mulgrew Hanley as back but I still worry about Mulgrew and if he would just cause havoc in that.  TM has tried a few time in pre season to play 3 at the back and I think it is what he would like to do long term.

The other issue is we would need a lot more cover for 3 CB and I thus don't think we will do that.

Mowbray has toyed with a back 3 a few times now, If we wanted to get a bit more life out of Mulgrew and Williams then it could work. But it just moves the issues to the wing backs. Nyambe is a good full back but not attacking enough to be an effective wing back (he's technically the worst crosser of a ball i've ever seen at Ewood), Bennett isn't quick enough to be the only wide player/isn't good enough 1v1. Bell would suit the system though.

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IMV Mowbray’s honesty and integrity is a real catch 22. It allows us to get the more pragmatic of players - especially those coming towards the end of their careers and looking to not be mucked around I.e. Downing. But we’ve no doubt missed out on and will continue to do so on players due to this honesty. I do feel like he needs to be a little more ruthless - not just with transfers but across the board.

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Just now, ewoodnews said:

Personally we could sort out our problems if we played 3 at the back then you could have Bell and Bennett as wing backs and they don't need to do as much defending.  They both have the energy for that role.

 

I do wonder if this is something return to. I know it was a disaster last time, but we clearly didn't have the players for it, just passed it around at the back, then the ball went to midfield and the move died.

Those three at centre half can all play, and could be a way of getting the most out of Mulgrew's undoubted strengths whilst taking some of the pressure away from his weaker points. Our midfield is more mobile with more players who look forward too. Not saying it would be the best way forward, but reasons to think that it could work a lot better than last time. 

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38 minutes ago, Paul Mani said:

Hahahah this is mad. So it turns out that the manager has been tracking a league 1 defender who he rates but is asking to fight and be at his very best to get into our team....and he’s criticised for it!?

The fact that Preston gave (League 1 defender) Bauer the keys to the bloody city and that Bauer wasn’t prepared to back his own ability and needed his ego massaging to get the deal done says more about Preston and Bauer in my opinion!! 

Why would you vigorously chase player for a long time for him to be a squad player? That is the point you seem to be missing. To me it indicates that Mowbrays random transfer policy.

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Just now, ewoodnews said:

TM has tried a few time in pre season to play 3 at the back and I think it is what he would like to do long term.

The other issue is we would need a lot more cover for 3 CB and therefore  don't think we will do that.

Its obvious that this is the way Mowbray wants to play. Yet here we are in his 3rd pre season not really any nearer to being able to do it. We're already at the long term point. He's been in the job long term by Championship averages and we should be well on the way to being the way he wants us to be. 

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8 minutes ago, renrag said:

In fairness you only asked for one.

A third point! We all know his predictions anyway?

 

I actually went on to say "and if there is one why should the MB get the blame?"  or words to that effect!

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52 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

If he isnt capable of dislodging Mulgrew or Williams then why has he even been chasing him? We need to sign players who can come straight into the team and the defence. Lets see if he can be ruthless with the defence as he must.

Who’s said he’s incapable of dislodging them? The manager is saying to Bauer that he needs to train well etc to get in the team!!? Jeez can’t believe what I’m reading here...

If we’d missed out on Sol Campbell in his prime id be worried. This guy is a 26yr Old from League 1. He absolutely would need to earn his stripes! 

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27 minutes ago, arbitro said:

Why would you vigorously chase player for a long time for him to be a squad player? That is the point you seem to be missing. To me it indicates that Mowbrays random transfer policy.

I’m not missing any point. Mowbray likes the player. Sees him as someone who could be good for us. But the guy is a league one defender and has just been asked to earn his place. If he would rather be the king of Preston then that says more about him and Preston than it does about us...

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Just now, Paul Mani said:

I’m not missing any point. Mowbray likes the player. Sees him as someone who could be good for us. But the guy is a league one defender and has just been asked to earn his place. If he would rather be the king of Preston then that says more about him and Preston than it does about us...

Chasing a player for that length of time to be a squad player is a waste of time and resource. Do you think he would have been on Mowbrays a, b or c list? Given the endeavours I would suggest the first and if that only equates to a squad player then heaven help us.

If Mowbray hadn't said anything about being a squad player and he signed would you have been suited?

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Just now, arbitro said:

Chasing a player for that length of time to be a squad player is a waste of time and resource. 

To a point, but I think we can overdo how much time and effort that actually uses up. It's not as though Mowbray was physically chasing him. 

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Just now, Admiral Nelsen said:

To a point, but I think we can overdo how much time and effort that actually uses up. It's not as though Mowbray was physically chasing him. 

Yeah, I never got this. What time and resources went into us chasing them outside of a few LT/The Sun journo columns?

I can't imagine much resource was taken up enquiring about his availability to his agent.

With respect to his squad status quite frankly I'm happy he hasn't joined. He didn't look brilliant from what little I saw of him and if he was put off by having to fight for his place in the team then good riddance. 

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Just now, Admiral Nelsen said:

To a point, but I think we can overdo how much time and effort that actually uses up. It's not as though Mowbray was physically chasing him. 

He will have been constantly monitored and watched by Mowbrays scouts. If Mowbray knew how much he wanted he must have spoken to Bauers representatives. And even after finding that out he spoke to the player recently. That all takes time and effort.

Something about this just doesn't sit right with me.

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Just now, arbitro said:

He will have been constantly monitored and watched by Mowbrays scouts. If Mowbray knew how much he wanted he must have spoken to Bauers representatives. And even after finding that out he spoke to the player recently. That all takes time and effort.

Something about this just doesn't sit right with me.

Why? I don't get it. We lost a player to another club that have, by the sounds of it, offered more playing time than we were willing to offer. We chased him last year, didn't get him, the interest obviously continued but ultimately it didn't work out. What doesn't sit right with you?

Over the course of a transfer window every single club will chase and ultimately lose several players. It's part of the game.

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