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Just now, roversfan99 said:

That goes without saying that selection depends on performance. But ultimately, last season basically all of our defenders proved that they arent capable of playing regular football if we have aspirations of pushing on. Our defensive record was shite. New defenders need to be of sufficient quality to improve the first team. Should this cause a rise in our existing players performance then brilliant but I would be bitterly dissapointed if the defence we put out v Charlton contains only players that were here last season. They arent good enough.

Ya for sure and that's why I hope we sign better than Bauer. It seemed to me that he was seen as a replacement for Downing in the squad. If Williams is now going to fill that role, then we definitely need a left back. The CB should be someone who will improve the starting 11, ideally the left back too. Neither would be guaranteed a starting place though and that's the way it should be. 

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Just now, Bigdoggsteel said:

Ya for sure and that's why I hope we sign better than Bauer. It seemed to me that he was seen as a replacement for Downing in the squad. If Williams is now going to fill that role, then we definitely need a left back. The CB should be someone who will improve the starting 11, ideally the left back too. Neither would be guaranteed a starting place though and that's the way it should be. 

If Williams is a starter then we are doomed from the start and he will be targeted.

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Just now, Sparks Rover said:

Davenport - Who else wanted him, nobody knows how good he is.....

Chapman - Ditto

Armstrong - Fair enough knows Tony and probably got to know him as he is a nice man

Brereton - 7M that's all you need for that

Rothwell  - Were anyone else looking at him

If it's  straight choice between a few managers like Neil etc....Tony's dour approach and seemingly unconditional love for a few very average League 1 players is holding us back as a club.  Bauer should be a rovers player, no doubt

How do you work out that nobody knows how good Davenport is? He played half a season at Burton and got great reviews. 

Some players will like Mowbray more, some would prefer Neill. That's just life. 

It seems that whoever we sign, you have yourself convinced that nobody else wanted them.

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Every player should be trying to impress in pre-season to start that first game. Nobody should be guaranteed a place. If Mulgrew looked the biz in the build up to game 1 I'd have no problem him starting. 

Issue is it doesn't seem as though it is a level playing field. If hypothetically Bauer was with us and looked a real deal I'm not sure he'd be given that same opportunity from the off.

Nobody should be guaranteed a starting place but players should be picked on form.

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Just now, Sparks Rover said:

everything is an argument with you, I'm just saying if Williams starts the season as our CH we are doomed.

I never said he should start though, so why are you telling me? I said he should take Downings role, as in a squad player. It's pretty simple. 

Lenihan should have a new CB partner on the opening day. 

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6 hours ago, K-Hod said:

Just catching up on the last few pages and I thought I'd give my tuppence worth:

Some people think others are hysterical vs. some people think they have legitimate concerns

Some people are too harsh on Mowbray vs. some people won't accept any criticism whatsoever of him.

Some people think we overpaid for Brereton vs. some people that think he's an investment for the future.

Some people think Mowbray is too loyal to a lot of players vs. some people don't.

Some people eat meat vs some people don't.

(Okay, the last one was a bit silly, but you get the idea).

Point is, people have different opinions, if we all accepted people thought differently and didn't make the point they were right and they couldn't understand why others didn't think everyone else didn't think exactly like them, we'd get on a lot better on here. 

Just need some people to stop telling the other they can’t have an opinion - or that they are somehow intellectually challenged for having one.

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10 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

Ya for sure and that's why I hope we sign better than Bauer. It seemed to me that he was seen as a replacement for Downing in the squad. If Williams is now going to fill that role, then we definitely need a left back. The CB should be someone who will improve the starting 11, ideally the left back too. Neither would be guaranteed a starting place though and that's the way it should be. 

 

Just now, Bigdoggsteel said:

I never said he should start though, so why are you telling me? I said he should take Downings role, as in a squad player. It's pretty simple. 

Lenihan should have a new CB partner on the opening day. 

I agree with what you are saying, we need starters, not just padding out of the squad. As you say, Lenihan needs a new partner right away, not one to come in and sit and wait. The defence from last year isnt good enough to push on.

 Specifically on Bauer, I dont really understand why he wouldnt have gotten into the starting 11 straight away, in that hes had a very successful season and our defence only proved itself to be incompetent last season. If it was between Lenihan, Bauer, Williams and Mulgrew surely the former 2 would be first choice, of course initially, everything depends on performance. We have 3 senior centre backs, sadly Mulgrew in particular would be difficult to shift off the wage bill, so youd suspect that theres room in the squad for one more, it has to be one that has the ability and capability to go straight into the team, initially.

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Just now, roversfan99 said:

 

I agree with what you are saying, we need starters, not just padding out of the squad. As you say, Lenihan needs a new partner right away, not one to come in and sit and wait. The defence from last year isnt good enough to push on.

 Specifically on Bauer, I dont really understand why he wouldnt have gotten into the starting 11 straight away, in that hes had a very successful season and our defence only proved itself to be incompetent last season. If it was between Lenihan, Bauer, Williams and Mulgrew surely the former 2 would be first choice, of course initially, everything depends on performance. We have 3 senior centre backs, sadly Mulgrew in particular would be difficult to shift off the wage bill, so youd suspect that theres room in the squad for one more, it has to be one that has the ability and capability to go straight into the team, initially.

Did he? Based on what? He was out injured for the start of the season if I remember correctly.

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Just now, Dreams of 1995 said:

Did he? Based on what? He was out injured for the start of the season if I remember correctly.

Promotion, second best defensive record (by 1 goal), played 38 games. Whereas our defence was awful.

My point is not that Bauer would or wouldnt have been a good signing, its irrelevant to his ability. Its that we need to be signing a player to go straight into the team. Mowbray needs to be, not even ruthless because that implies its a tough decision to rip up such a crap defence.

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Just now, roversfan99 said:

Promotion, second best defensive record (by 1 goal), played 38 games. Whereas our defence was awful.

My point is not that Bauer would or wouldnt have been a good signing, its irrelevant to his ability. Its that we need to be signing a player to go straight into the team. Mowbray needs to be, not even ruthless because that implies its a tough decision to rip up such a crap defence.

And by comparison our defence was 3rd best in League 1 (by 1 goal). Means nothing. We also conceded exactly the same amount of goals - 40 each.

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Just now, Dreams of 1995 said:

And by comparison our defence was 3rd best in League 1 (by 1 goal). Means nothing. We also conceded exactly the same amount of goals - 40 each.

Fair point, of all the playerd linked I want Hanley or Cooper ideally. My point was about signing a ready made first teamer.

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36 minutes ago, Stuart said:

Just need some people to stop telling the other they can’t have an opinion - or that they are somehow intellectually challenged for having one.

Some appear to be the gaffers personal spokesperson and even they were expecting Bauer through the door but have now changed tack, y'know them types who only pop up at transfer time.....

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I see Bauer has gone from being a  rated Rovers target to being a League 1 plodder and whore who's sold himself down the road for a 'guaranteed' place and the City Keys.

I will content myself with assuming that we do actually have other targets.

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He would've sparked a big debate had he signed but I think most would have thought him a decent edition to the squad and plenty expected him to be first through the door and seemed happy about that including the managers main tub thumpers.

End of the day though it comes down to Tony Mowbrays judgement and he's judged a player to be good enough to bid for twice and retain a serious interest in for over 12 months then let it go.  He's also judged to chase another from his hometown club and put the funds and effort into signing him ( instead ? )  so it's his call just like the Brereton one was last summer and all that has cost/is going to cost.  I'd say it's his head on the block except I doubt it is.

He seems to have carte blanche, not with the cheque book but in terms of what he does at the club and who comes and goes and where we are going i'e somewhere between 15th and 12th by next May but a team worth more than it is now, that's the plan in my mind.  We know what'll then start following that..........

3 hefty good pedigree signings would prove me wrong even if they were on loan although 3 million quid in wages will easily be recouped from sales anyway but it would show some real bloody ambition and give us a real shout at the top 6 on top of what we have.

 

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My biggest concern so far is that we've seen very few links to new players. It's either players we've been linked to in the past, former Rovers players or cast offs from Tony's previous clubs. We supposedly have a scouting network, so hopefully we're just keeping things quiet. It's still somewhat early days but we're about to enter July with nothing obvious on the horizon in terms of player recruitment other than the possible return of Grant Hanley. 

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Iv been negative on mowbray since our league 1 campaign and this summer is doing nothing to appease me. Yes I know it’s fairly early but even those being linked don’t excite me. Frank fielding, Stewart downing, Grant Hanley ffs, it’s going to be a long season 

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33 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

While I would love to see us linked with some new ,fresh and exciting talent, I do think that Hanley and Gallagher would straighten the squad

Hanley certainly would, but I fear Gallagher would end up on the wing as that seems to be the common theme with Mowbray and strikers.

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2 hours ago, AllRoverAsia said:

I see Bauer has gone from being a  rated Rovers target to being a League 1 plodder and whore who's sold himself down the road for a 'guaranteed' place and the City Keys.

I will content myself with assuming that we do actually have other targets.

You can still be " a rated Rovers target " and a " League 1 plodder " I'm afraid.

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5 hours ago, Sparks Rover said:

The issue for Bauer was personality of the manager and therefore the club.  Him talking about his reasons for joining Preston (Neil's youthful outlook, attacking style, 2 recent promotions, etc) are the very things Mowbray and Waggot don't offer.  Fair to say that a young lad needs to be enthused about where he's going to work.......I think Tony is just a generation to old for this

Mate, you don’t know anything about Mowbrays personality. Only what a friend of a friend told you about a meeting with Ben Whiteman.

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Just now, Paul Mani said:

Only after he’d gone from a league 1 plodder to Rio Ferdinand because he’d decided to join another club...

I content myself with assuming that thankfully none of you are actually in charge! ?

Keys of the City was a classic though. 

You've been to Preston? maybe when Tony lets you out of the office

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