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Just now, roversfan99 said:

West Brom fans are pretty insistent that he is not a competent right back. If we neglect this really poor area of our team then it will cost us points, undoubtedly.

Listen to our fans and all our players are not competent

Lets see if he signs, then give him a chance

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Just now, FGS5635 said:

Listen to our fans and all our players are not competent

Lets see if he signs, then give him a chance

Looked at the thread on their message board about him this morning. Looked like around November/December time he was getting some really impressive reviews. By the end of the season, less so, but with many fans saying that they'll still have him.

Something worth considering is that when you've had a few years in the top division, your frame of reference as to what classes as a good player changes a bit. Young lad playing his first full season in defence in a team which is expected to go up, but doesn't have the overall quality to do so (exactly like we hadn't) is a tough gig. He'll be better for the experience.

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Just now, FGS5635 said:

Listen to our fans and all our players are not competent

Lets see if he signs, then give him a chance

Yet another totally unwarranted attempt at playing superfan, something that has become sadly rife amongst our fans recently.

I made a comment about a potential new signing, not even about his general ability, but his competence in a position that isnt his natural one.

Defence is an area that we are quite blatantly and statistically not good enough in, and full back in particular was an area we was lacking in.

Dack, Graham, Lenihan, Travis, Rothwell, Armstrong, Johnson etc are all rated above competent so your needless attempt at pointing fingers at our "negative" fanbase was inaccurate.

 

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7 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

West Brom fans are pretty insistent that he is not a competent right back. If we neglect this really poor area of our team then it will cost us points, undoubtedly.

Wonder why he played 36 games for them  if he isn’t competent.

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On holiday in Majorca at the moment so not been keeping fully up to speed with what's going on but two weeks to go until the start of the season and from what I can gather there's still no sign of a keeper, and not much more progress on the CB front other than considering a 21 year old loanee from City.

Where's the experienced specialist CB we need?

Why have we shot ourselves in the foot by selling Raya? Completely unnecessary.

With the possible exception of Johnson, still a shocking window so far imo.

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Just now, RevidgeBlue said:

On holiday in Majorca at the moment so not been keeping fully up to speed with what's going on but two weeks to go until the start of the season and from what I can gather there's still no sign of a keeper, and not much more progress on the CB front other than considering a 21 year old loanee from City.

Where's the experienced specialist CB we need?

Why have we shot ourselves in the foot by selling Raya? Completely unnecessary.

With the possible exception of Johnson, still a shocking window so far imo.

Are you on Love Island??? This would explain a few things ?

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Just now, Gavlar Somerset Rover! said:

Doesn't look like any signings today going by Sharpe on Twitter. Disappointing...2 weeks til KO.

Like we've said already. Not giving anyone much chance to settle before season starts

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6 hours ago, joey_big_nose said:

I'd say out of that the second centreback is a necessity, goal keeper and left back nice to have.

However I don't get central midfield at at all. We've literally got seven players who can play there from established talent (Travis, Johnson) mediocre plodders (Evans, Smallwood, Bennett) to promising youngsters (Davenport, Buckley). Plus Rothwell can slot in there too (though I see him more as a number 10 / inside forward).

Why would we sign more there? Only going to push Davenport and Buckley further away from the team.

I look at it in terms of where do we need to add quality in order to make a top 6 push, not on numbers of players in that position. Evans/Smallwood/Bennett are not good enough; Davenport may well be out for a while on the treatment table; and Buckley is still very young and most likely is not ready to play week in, week out. Think we need one more in there on a cheap-ish deal. Signing Adam would therefore make sense to me, but sounds like that is now unlikely to happen. 

 

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Predictable if they bring in the young City kid who can cover two positions and will probably have heavily subsidised wages.  A good keeper even more important now, as if it wasn't before !

Anyone think TM wants footballing defenders rather than specialists ?

At this rate we will be a good bet to be highest conceders again but maybe one of the highest scorerers which to be fair should still see us in top half.  Then again he could start a team of midfielders every week.

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Just now, tomphil said:

Predictable if they bring in the young City kid who can cover two positions and will probably have heavily subsidised wages. 

And there is Rovers transfer policy in one sentence.

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6 minutes ago, rovers11 said:

I look at it in terms of where do we need to add quality in order to make a top 6 push, not on numbers of players in that position. Evans/Smallwood/Bennett are not good enough; Davenport may well be out for a while on the treatment table; and Buckley is still very young and most likely is not ready to play week in, week out. Think we need one more in there on a cheap-ish deal. Signing Adam would therefore make sense to me, but sounds like that is now unlikely to happen. 

 

I get where you're coming from but we have limited resources. Starting partnership of Travis and Johnson, with Evans, Davenport and Buckley backing up is good for me. Rather spend the money we have on sorting defence and keeper.

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Just now, JHRover said:

And there is Rovers transfer policy in one sentence.

other clubs take loans from the premier league aswell.Derby and Villa made the play offs last season with quite a few loans between them.

No problem with loaning players if they are of a decent pedigree which this City player looks to have.

He played 36 times for a play off team last season if City are heavily subsidising his wages then good move on our part.

Downing and Johnson wouldn't have signed for peanuts either, not disputing venkys are crap owners but we spent money last season and are spending money this summer aswell

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Just now, islander200 said:

 

No problem with loaning players if they are of a decent pedigree which this City player looks to have.

 

This is the problem. Those with pedigree cost big cash. Nowt wrong with a lot of those players loaned if you're paying the money for them. Those Villa got like Abraham and Mings, without doubt fantastic loans. We aren't shopping down that aisle so we get the cheaper unproven ones whose parent clubs are happy to send out to develop and get game time. 

None of the loans we've had have worked out, apart from Cairney but he was a proven Championship player on his way back from injury, not a kid looking for games.

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Just now, Paul Mani said:

Absolute rubbish!...the real irony of this situation is that the people who spew this stuff so freely often quibble about putting their hand in their pocket for a season ticket whilst accusing our owners (who pumped £17m of their own cash in last year) of being penny pinchers. Embarrassing.

A lot of truth to this. We have spent 5m and 7m on strikers in the last year. I don't think we can argue a lack of investment as one of our owners foibles. Most other clubs in Championship would love to be in our financial position.

Obviously this does not eradicate their awful mismanagement and continued lack of engagement. But equally it could be a lot worse if they turn the cash off.

It's a really terrible position to be. To hate someone, yet be entirely dependent on them. If they walked away we would be the next Bolton.

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1 hour ago, unsall said:

Wonder why he played 36 games for them  if he isn’t competent.

Played as many games as Charlie Mulgrew in the league, and its pretty obvious that he isnt up to it anymore sadly, so that means nothing.

Common consensus from the forums/posts Ive read are that hes no right back, West Brom were really short there, signed Tyrone Mears as a cheap, short term option and ultimately it was the signing of Holgate on loan, himself naturally a centre back but much more comfortable at right back that saw Adaraiyobo drop out the team and at times the squad due to loan limitations.

My opinion on him would be that id like to think that his underwhelming spell at WBA was down to being played out of position but will have done him good in terms of knowing what to expect. I watched West Brom a few times on TV, plus twice v us live and he looked a little awkward and cumbersome and very much the weak link of an otherwise very solid Championship defence. If hes the sole addition to a really poor defence, id be unhappy. If he was one of two or three including some experience, and if he has been signed solely as a centre back, he may be a shrewd addition.

Ive seen no one suggest that they wouldnt give him a chance so theres no need for people to take the moral high ground.

Im fed up of people constantly trying to be a better fan and put down anyone who offers any sort of doubt or criticism.

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2 hours ago, Madon said:

Not from what I've heard. They are picked 2 seasons in advance.

The Away shirt next year isn't green. And they are cerrainly gmnot picked 2 season in advance. They are looked at around 6 months into the season but not decided till towards the end.

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