unsall 695 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 Just now, FGS5635 said: The word experience gets used a lot on here of late. I dont care if the CB or GK is experinced, I just want them to be good and better than what we have now. Its that simple really. Improve the team. Apart from Graham, all our experinced players where pretty poor last year and we spent a season crying out for youth. Good point is that, always nice for a calming experienced C/B but sometimes lack of pace means a younger guy can be a better buy/loan, I’m happy to let Mowbray and his coaching staff get the personnel in who can improve the squad. Link to post Share on other sites
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Paul Mani 3040 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 Just now, Mattyblue said: Problem is Paul, you make everyone else out like they are idiots (WOW! ??? Etc) whilst you are the ‘football man’, realistic etc. But it’s you that thinks we will avoid FFP by selling one player in 12 months time, even though we have no idea on his worth at that time - oh and 1 year left on his contract by then, unless he signs another? Another assumption. But even if we do sell him, that’s fine as we have up to 75 million of talent coming though. Its cloud cuckoo land stuff coming from you. I just said that was the plan. Not my plan but THE plan. You’re Just making this stuff up as you go along now... Link to post Share on other sites
Mattyblue 13851 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 (edited) Just now, Paul Mani said: I just said that was the plan. Not my plan but THE plan. You’re Just making this stuff up as you go along now... So it’s the club that thinks we have up to £75 million worth of talent once Dack goes? I was hoping it was just your fevered imagination. Edited July 22, 2019 by Mattyblue Link to post Share on other sites
roverandout 1371 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Kamy100 said: Walton and Adarabioyo set to sign today. We will then look at what is left within the budget and see what we can get with the remaining budget with an experienced goalkeeper being the key and then a centre back if the budget stretches that far. So basically only 1 money transfer so far. As expected more bullshit from the bullshit man Edited July 22, 2019 by roverandout Link to post Share on other sites
Paul Mani 3040 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 Just now, Mattyblue said: So it’s the club that thinks we have £75 million worth of talent once Dack goes? I was hoping it was just your fevered imagination. No mate, the CLUB have a plan to buy and develop young players to sell (strategically and if necessary) in order to balance the books whilst progressing towards promotion. - Evidenced over the last 12 months when they’ve spoken about it, Maddison from Norwich and selling ‘a Dack’ etc. I simply used the 5 players mentioned and priced them at £10m -15m based on their age and potential and stated the £50-75m potential return. But you keep slinging those insults pal. Link to post Share on other sites
TBTF 984 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 Just now, Pedro said: Walton is a better keeper with a better record. Raya frustrated the hell out of me. His basic kicking, flapping about and rash decision making put us under so much pressure. I wish him well but I'm glad he's not our problem anymore and my heart will benefit from it. Pedro , you do know that Wigan dropped Walton last year after a series of high profile cock ups that were down to him? Not sure this is a material upgrade tbh and certainly not what folk expected when throwing names around like Forster, Hart, Adrian, etc. Lets hope there is better to come in the GK dept but I have my doubts that this fella would be coming to warm our bench. Link to post Share on other sites
roverandout 1371 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 Just now, Paul Mani said: No mate, the CLUB have a plan to buy and develop young players to sell (strategically and if necessary) in order to balance the books whilst progressing towards promotion. - Evidenced over the last 12 months when they’ve spoken about it, Maddison from Norwich and selling ‘a Dack’ etc. I simply used the 5 players mentioned and priced them at £10m -15m based on their age and potential and stated the £50-75m potential return. But you keep slinging those insults pal. U cant progress anywhere if Ur plan is to develop players and move them on all the time. U need a settled team. Progressing towards promotion with these owners and this dogger of a manager will take at least a decade Link to post Share on other sites
Mattyblue 13851 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 (edited) Just now, Paul Mani said: No mate, the CLUB have a plan to buy and develop young players to sell (strategically and if necessary) in order to balance the books whilst progressing towards promotion. - Evidenced over the last 12 months when they’ve spoken about it, Maddison from Norwich and selling ‘a Dack’ etc. I simply used the 5 players mentioned and priced them at £10m -15m based on their age and potential and stated the £50-75m potential return. But you keep slinging those insults pal. I’m well aware of the club’s model. Oh good, it is just your view on the 75 million. Thought the club had completely taken leave of their senses. You give plenty out, so don’t be so thin skinned if wild claims like 75 million for a handful of players in our fairly average second division squad is challenged. Edited July 22, 2019 by Mattyblue Link to post Share on other sites
blue_n_white99 203 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 09:51 BLACKBURN NEARING ADARABIOYO LOAN Blackburn are expecting to complete the loan signing of Manchester City defender Tosin Adarabioyo. The 21-year-old has represented England at U16, 17, 18 and 19. Link to post Share on other sites
Norbert Rassragr 1509 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 Just now, S8 & Blue said: I believe "Blackburn Rovers" owns the ground. Derby and Sheff Wed (that I know of) sold their stadia to separate, unnamed "associate" companies of their owners. Less of an issue for Derby - they trust him as a real fan of the club. For us - it would be suicidal to flog our biggest asset into god knows whose grubby hands. Yep. It would be a disaster, as it would be something else the Raos would use in order to never let the club go. Let's say that Amazon owner wanted to buy the club for arguments sake, the Venkys clowns could then demand more money or refuse to sell the stadium and generally be infuriatingly stupid as per usual. Link to post Share on other sites
arbitro 8736 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 Just now, S8 & Blue said: I believe "Blackburn Rovers" owns the ground. Derby and Sheff Wed (that I know of) sold their stadia to separate, unnamed "associate" companies of their owners. Less of an issue for Derby - they trust him as a real fan of the club. For us - it would be suicidal to flog our biggest asset into god knows whose grubby hands. Aren't Venkys the owners of Blackburn Rovers including Ewood and Brockhall? I never actually said sell Ewood by the way. My point was that several clubs owners have 'sponsored' the grounds for astronomical fees. Link to post Share on other sites
Bigdoggsteel 7563 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 Just now, TBTF said: Pedro , you do know that Wigan dropped Walton last year after a series of high profile cock ups that were down to him? Not sure this is a material upgrade tbh and certainly not what folk expected when throwing names around like Forster, Hart, Adrian, etc. Lets hope there is better to come in the GK dept but I have my doubts that this fella would be coming to warm our bench. Good point. It does seem maybe brave on his behalf to come here knowing that he will be competing with a pretty experienced keeper. Particualrly as he has been a starter pretty much most of the 2 past seasons. I don't think we are going to sign Hart, Carson or Foster, more like a keeper from europe who it will be nip and tuck with Walton for the number 1 jersey. Just now, roverandout said: U cant progress anywhere if Ur plan is to develop players and move them on all the time. U need a settled team. Progressing towards promotion with these owners and this dogger of a manager will take at least a decade You need to stop using text speak. We aren't 12 years old. Link to post Share on other sites
davulsukur 4035 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 Just now, blue_n_white99 said: 09:51 BLACKBURN NEARING ADARABIOYO LOAN Blackburn are expecting to complete the loan signing of Manchester City defender Tosin Adarabioyo. The 21-year-old has represented England at U16, 17, 18 and 19. Happy to loan this lad but Mowbray has a history of not playing loan players or not playing them in their correct position. If he is our only defensive reinforcement, he needs to be good enough to be playing most weeks. Link to post Share on other sites
S8 & Blue 3123 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 (edited) Just now, arbitro said: Aren't Venkys the owners of Blackburn Rovers including Ewood and Brockhall? I never actually said sell Ewood by the way. My point was that several clubs owners have 'sponsored' the grounds for astronomical fees. It's all academic really. They don't invest in us. All this talk about FFP and budgets betray short memories that we are something like -£50m net spend on the squad under these lot. Edited July 22, 2019 by S8 & Blue Link to post Share on other sites
roverandout 1371 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 Just now, Bigdoggsteel said: Good point. It does seem maybe brave on his behalf to come here knowing that he will be competing with a pretty experienced keeper. Particualrly as he has been a starter pretty much most of the 2 past seasons. I don't think we are going to sign Hart, Carson or Foster, more like a keeper from europe who it will be nip and tuck with Walton for the number 1 jersey. You need to stop using text speak. We aren't 12 years old. What? Using u or Ur? Yes I'm sure those two words are hard to comprehend. K? Ow r u doing with that Link to post Share on other sites
47er 8647 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 12 minutes ago, Paul Mani said: There’s no point arguing. ? But of course you will! Link to post Share on other sites
rovers11 929 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 I struggle to see the logic in signing Walton on loan and bringing in an experienced GK on a perm. Surely the experienced GK will be the one to start which leaves Walton warming the bench. Walton is a very good young GK, but it’s hard to get excited about a player who won’t be ours longer term. Also slightly concerned about the comment that “we'll see what’s left in the budget” after the two signings today. Two GKs and a loan signing in defence will not sort out our defence problems. I’m hoping that’s just a smokescreen to catch other clubs off guard who also may be chasing the same players we are. Link to post Share on other sites
RoverCanada 363 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 (edited) Just now, arbitro said: Aren't Venkys the owners of Blackburn Rovers including Ewood and Brockhall? I never actually said sell Ewood by the way. My point was that several clubs owners have 'sponsored' the grounds for astronomical fees. I honestly don't know the exact accounting/ownership details, but the way it essentially works for Derby, for example, is Mel Morris owns both Derby County FC, and all the assets within that company, and a separate Company A. Derby FC sells Pride Park to Company A, they claim the difference in the sale value and its book value as an 'intangible' profit, and then Company A leases Pride Park back to Derby for an annual fee (hence the deal allows for a large, one-off increase in profits, which helps for the 3-year FFP window, but it actually increases Derby's year-to-year running costs!) (Derby is a particularly weird structure though as they've got a parent company with a bunch of subsidiaries within it...) Again, I don't know the detail here, but I'd guess for Rovers it would be Venky's London Limited (under which I believe Ewood Park is included as an asset?) selling Ewood Park to some other company that Venky's owns in the UK, then 'leasing' its use back to the football club for an annual fee. I don't know if Venky's has any other UK-based companies... but I suspect they could make it work somehow (or find an amenable 3rd-party). This obviously breaches the 'spirit' of FFP to some extent, but it is rather clever! (Happy to be corrected on any of the above!) My understanding is Venky's have already maxed out their commercial sponsorship with us. Hence why our commercial income has held study at about £5m/year despite relegation, declining attendance, etc. (While a club like Wigan, for example, saw its commercial income drop to about £1m recently). These things are watched for under FFP, so you can't just plow in £20m and claim it's all commercial sponsorship-related (hence why Man City's at risk at the moment, but there's of course reason to be cynical about how that will wrap up...). It would need to track the going rates for such sponsorship. Perhaps they could juice that up further by sticking a big Venky's sign on Ewood Park and renaming it the Venky's Chicken Coop or whatever... but again, that may not go down well with supporters Edited July 22, 2019 by RoverCanada Link to post Share on other sites
roverandout 1371 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 My feeling about the lack of spending is either A. venkys won't give mowbary an acceptable budget whilst expecting some kind of miraculous play off push. Which is totally unrealistic Or B. Mowbary has been offered a sizable budget but won't accept it as he doesn't want to put his job at risk if his signings flop. Either way as it stands any talk of promotion push is completely pie in the sky. Maybe things will change between now and the end of the window Link to post Share on other sites
Peteb2014 93 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 Simon Eastwood to return as the other keeper Link to post Share on other sites
JBiz 3730 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 Just now, Peteb2014 said: Simon Eastwood to return as the other keeper Link to post Share on other sites
davulsukur 4035 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 Just now, Peteb2014 said: Simon Eastwood to return as the other keeper Eh? For real? Link to post Share on other sites
rovers11 929 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 Just now, Peteb2014 said: Simon Eastwood to return as the other keeper That would make sense. Walton is surely not coming here to sit on the bench; and Eastwood is an experienced, cheap option who won’t mind being a back-up GK. Link to post Share on other sites
Norbert Rassragr 1509 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 Wasn't Eastwood crap? Link to post Share on other sites
Bigdoggsteel 7563 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 Have to say I would be very underwhelmed by Walton and Eastwood. Link to post Share on other sites
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