unsall 695 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 1 hour ago, S8 & Blue said: It's all academic really. They don't invest in us. All this talk about FFP and budgets betray short memories that we are something like -£50m net spend on the squad under these lot. Have you seen our debt, well over 100 mil, they invest every month just to keep us going, have you been keeping up with Bolton, must be heartbreaking for their fans, not sure what you mean saying they don’t invest, doesn’t matter how much people hate the owners, the truth is we need them more than they need us, sometimes it’s better the devil you know. Link to post Share on other sites
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chaddyrovers 6054 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 11 minutes ago, Biz said: scattergun contracts eh! delighted that Travis has signed a new contract. great news Just now, Mattyblue said: I look at evidence, in all likelihood a 23 year old keeper will be sold for £3 million and replaced with a 23 year old loanee. The club needs to balance the books, fine. But even if Raya did want to leave, that doesn’t preclude experience being brought in as a replacement Along with the expected defensive signings, extremely odd business for a club with one of the worst defences in the EFL. W have missed out our 1st choices for the keeper slot. We missed out on a foreign target aswell for the slot as Rich Sharpe as reported. We have the Martinez deal which hasn't worked out as we would have like. Sadly this happened. So we have had to work down our list. not ideal Walton replacing Raya as I would agree but if he the best we can get the fair enough. We seemed to be saving the rest of the money for centre back permanent so that's see if we can get this done and dusted before the start of the season. The time to judge the transfer window and our business is after the window closes not now. Link to post Share on other sites
Sparks Rover 3698 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 (edited) Just now, unsall said: Have you seen our debt, well over 100 mil, they invest every month just to keep us going, have you been keeping up with Bolton, must be heartbreaking for their fans, not sure what you mean saying they don’t invest, doesn’t matter how much people hate the owners, the truth is we need them more than they need us, sometimes it’s better the devil you know. I'd take that chance, they can feck off tomorrow for me.theres no debt on the club. They are in as much shyte because they'll never get what they've invested...The club is bigger than shystersvenkys, there would be a queue to buy us and some good people Edited July 22, 2019 by Sparks Rover Link to post Share on other sites
TBTF 984 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 Just now, unsall said: Have you seen our debt, well over 100 mil, they invest every month just to keep us going, have you been keeping up with Bolton, must be heartbreaking for their fans, not sure what you mean saying they don’t invest, doesn’t matter how much people hate the owners, the truth is we need them more than they need us, sometimes it’s better the devil you know. Unsall, they invest every month to deal with the abject mess they started 10 years ago . Its completely self inflicted. So yes , if they up sticks and go we could be in a terrible mess but this is all their own doing and for which not only will they get no credit from me but I will hate them with a passion as long as I live. Link to post Share on other sites
CambridgeRover 742 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 Hold on Eastwood, Simon Eastwood? We must be on planing Z at this point to bring in Simon Eastwood, would rather just have Fisher as the backup and save the wage for a proper number one. As many on here said, selling Raya was a huge mistake. Huge potential and not on a big wage, and now Walton and Eastwood. Some bullshit excuse from Mowbray saying he can spend the money on a defender, well either bring one in or keep it shut Link to post Share on other sites
Stuart 16655 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Mattyblue said: Fairly obvious, as alluded to by TM, that the sale of Raya was a necessity and nothing to do with ‘wanting experience and a keeper with game management’ £3 million into the budget, and replace him with a lad of the same age on loan and a cheap, back up journeyman. The bit I don’t get is spending all of our budget on Gallagher (who we don’t need) and having nothing left to spend on a goalkeeper and experienced centre half (that we do). However, Occam’s razor suggests that we have all but done our business: - Walton as number one, Leutwiler as number two - Mulgrew and Lenihan remain first choice and the young City loanee will be understudy - Gallagher to replace Nuttall (further up the batting order) and be the insurance policy against Graham getting injured - Smallwood likely to go out on loan now that we have Johnson - Travis is the ‘replacement’ for Reed - Downing replaced Conway Mowbray will continue with ‘operation evolution, not revolution’. There is no pressure on him, he does not live and die by his results, form, signings, even relegation, like every other manager does. He can build slowly. Which is great - if it works and provided Venkys can just keep adding to our debt ever year (and never leave). Link to post Share on other sites
OJRovers 1761 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 What is the Martinez deal? Link to post Share on other sites
Mattyblue 14842 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 (edited) Just now, chaddyrovers said: We seemed to be saving the rest of the money for centre back permanent so that's see if we can get this done and dusted before the start of the season. The time to judge the transfer window and our business is after the window closes not now. Are we? Not a lot of noise apart from the young loanee from City coming in. Hope you are right, because another young keeper and a young loanee at the back is nowhere near enough to improve what is a very poor defence. Edited July 22, 2019 by Mattyblue Link to post Share on other sites
bluebruce 4500 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 7 hours ago, Paul Mani said: It would be odd for all parties if they did purely loan. Not least Brighton who slapped a price tag of reported £3m on him in May. I reckon loan to buy for £1m with a sell on...just a guess. Why would they drop their price tag 2 months later? Link to post Share on other sites
CambridgeRover 742 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 (edited) Just now, chaddyrovers said: We seemed to be saving the rest of the money for centre back permanent so that's see if we can get this done and dusted before the start of the season. The time to judge the transfer window and our business is after the window closes not now. We could have got that lad from Charlton, Bauer, for free who Preston obviously rated. 1) We actually spend the Raya money on a quality CB 2) We get no one in, say we missed all our targets (Just like Waggot's bullshit excuses in Jan) and do the bare minimum Obviously we all want 1 but we all know 2 is the more likely option Edited July 22, 2019 by CambridgeRover Link to post Share on other sites
Ewood Ace 4660 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 Just now, chaddyrovers said: W have missed out our 1st choices for the keeper slot. We missed out on a foreign target aswell for the slot as Rich Sharpe as reported. We have the Martinez deal which hasn't worked out as we would have like. Sadly this happened. So we have had to work down our list. not ideal Walton replacing Raya as I would agree but if he the best we can get the fair enough. But Mowbray has previously talked about other sides not selling until they have sorted out a replacement, yet he has let Raya go without a replacement even being close. Link to post Share on other sites
Paul Mani 3208 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 Just now, bluebruce said: Why would they drop their price tag 2 months later? Because after a year on loan he’d only have a year left on his contract. Link to post Share on other sites
SIMON GARNERS 194 3783 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 Just now, Sparks Rover said: I'd take that chance, they can feck off tomorrow for me....The club is bigger than bastard venkys, there would be a queue to buy us and some good people. That's probably what Bolton fans thought,they really are on the precipice right now. My view on Venkys?...we're going nowhere with them and we are truly fecked without 'em. Great isn't it. Link to post Share on other sites
chaddyrovers 6054 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 Just now, Mattyblue said: Are we? Not a lot of noise apart from the young loanee coming in. Hope you are right, because another young keeper and a young loanee in defence is nowhere near enough to improve what is a very poor defence. Rovers have bids in for players Matty. I have no names just that we have bids in. Source wont say any more. I'm pleased that there is no leaks from us. Its good then we can hopefully get our targets in. Mowbray said yesterday we wanted a centre back for money in if you look carefully at his words. I hope that is big money buy like Cooper from Millwall. Think he is just what we need next to Lenihan. Link to post Share on other sites
iSeeRed 102 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 (edited) I don't see why we are bothering to bring in Eastwood when we have The Canadian. To me he is no upgrade as a backup goalkeeper and will only drain our wages. Edited July 22, 2019 by iSeeRed Link to post Share on other sites
Vinjay 444 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 (edited) Just now, SIMON GARNERS 194 said: That's probably what Bolton fans thought,they really are on the precipice right now. My view on Venkys?...we're going nowhere with them and we are truly fecked without 'em. Great isn't it. Like being on a life support machine at times. Extreme example but who would want that either? "Credit" of course goes to UEFA for making takeover ambition obsolete. Edited July 22, 2019 by Vinjay17 Link to post Share on other sites
roverandout 1572 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 Just now, chaddyrovers said: Rovers have bids in for players Matty. I have no names just that we have bids in. Source wont say any more. I'm pleased that there is no leaks from us. Its good then we can hopefully get our targets in. Mowbray said yesterday we wanted a centre back for money in if you look carefully at his words. I hope that is big money buy like Cooper from Millwall. Think he is just what we need next to Lenihan. What mowbary says and does are two totally different things Link to post Share on other sites
unsall 695 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 Just now, Sparks Rover said: I'd take that chance, they can feck off tomorrow for me.theres no debt on the club. They are in as much shyte because they'll never get what they've invested...The club is bigger than shystersvenkys, there would be a queue to buy us and some good people A queue to buy us, oh dear,bet thats what Bolton/ Bury fans thought, well some of them. Link to post Share on other sites
roverandout 1572 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 Just now, unsall said: A queue to buy us, oh dear,bet thats what Bolton/ Bury fans thought, well some of them. I think we are a far better proposition than those clubs. I'm pretty sure there would be plenty of offers Link to post Share on other sites
roversfan99 8638 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 Just now, unsall said: A queue to buy us, oh dear,bet thats what Bolton/ Bury fans thought, well some of them. If not being Bury/Bolton is genuinely a reason to be thankful to Venkys then thats more depressing than anything. Link to post Share on other sites
TBTF 984 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 Just now, chaddyrovers said: Rovers have bids in for players Matty. I have no names just that we have bids in. Source wont say any more. I'm pleased that there is no leaks from us. Its good then we can hopefully get our targets in. Mowbray said yesterday we wanted a centre back for money in if you look carefully at his words. I hope that is big money buy like Cooper from Millwall. Think he is just what we need next to Lenihan. I hope you are right with Cooper, Chaddy but somehow we know now that any bids we make are probably £1-£2million at best. I cant see Millwall falling over themselves to accept that kind of money for one of their best players at this late stage. To me, if that was going to get done then it would have happened by now. But what do I know ???? Link to post Share on other sites
chaddyrovers 6054 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 Just now, Ewood Ace said: But Mowbray has previously talked about other sides not selling until they have sorted out a replacement, yet he has let Raya go without a replacement even being close. maybe we did have a replacement line up when Raya leave but fall through like so many does these days due to number of different reasons. Like I said previous we did have a foreign keeper line up but that deal doesn't end up getting done. We have the Martinez name but a deal with Arsenal couldn't be reach either. So we ended up with Walton it appears who wasn't our 1st choice but is coming here. Not sure its much of improvement on Raya to be honest but the 1875 podcast suggest Walton would be a good replacement using their stats they did. Have you watch the 1875 podcast on the goalkeeper area? Link to post Share on other sites
neophox 1179 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 Lewis Travis is becoming a cult hero at Ewood, excellent news! Link to post Share on other sites
JBiz 3815 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 Just now, neophox said: Lewis Travis is becoming a cult hero at Ewood, excellent news! LEWIE LEWIE, OHH OHH, LEWIE TRAV. YA YA YA YA YA Link to post Share on other sites
1864roverite 2497 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 Just now, SIMON GARNERS 194 said: That's probably what Bolton fans thought,they really are on the precipice right now. My view on Venkys?...we're going nowhere with them and we are truly fecked without 'em. Great isn't it. I wish some fans would just read and DIGEST the last part of your sentence ! Link to post Share on other sites
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