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20 minutes ago, roverandout said:

Add to what merce said, mowbary Has left us in exactly the same position was when he came in. Has he significantly improved the squad? No. Are rovers results by and large been better with him in this league than when could left us? Debatable. Is his transfer dealings that much better? no. I don't want to keep bashing the guy because I'm sure he's a decent human being but as a manager. To coin an American phrase, he sucks! He just isn't up to the modern game. His style went out with the Dave bassets of this world. I don't think he has the capacity to attract a decent calibre of player, maybe he hasn't got the gift of the gab or maybe he's just not very bright in general. He falls back on the safe option every time. I hope I'm proven wrong and he brings in 2 or 3 amazing signings

He has improved the squad. If you don't think he has, you are so blinkered by your dislike of him that you aren't seeing reality. 

Compare and contrast our squad when he took over v now. Ludicrous to say he hasn't. I didn't even read on after that because it's so factually incorrect. 

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Just now, roversfan99 said:

Theres not a chance that Leutweiler would go to another club in the Championship and get first team football. Hes hopeless.

I feel he was signed just for the reason of having games called off due to internationals, 

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Just now, Bbrovers2288 said:

Deals not announced today due to communication issues with India to get the final green light to complete. Therein lies the problem with absent owners. Photographer requested for tomorrow so they must be hopefull of concluding one or two . Still a bit of a shambles to be honest 

If they’ve got a budget to work to why the green light being required? I don’t know any business who operates this way

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36 minutes ago, roverandout said:

It's pointless trying to justify with some posters. Whatever mowbary does, he can't be criticized. He could blow up certain poster's homes, molest the cat and set fire to the grandma and he would do no wrong in their eyes

No, I think some people are just reasonable and look at things objectively. Then you have posters who are so blinkered in their dislike for him that they say crazy stuff like he hasn't improved the squad since taking over. 

This is said a bit and I think it's stupid. I don't see anyone stand up for him to the point of insanity. Which is what you are suggesting. 

Some posters just don't post every hour that they hate him. Like some do. You know the type. Don't ya? 

 

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Just now, Scotland1 said:

If they’ve got a budget to work to why the green light being required? I don’t know any business who operates this way

Because they are still the money and need to approve it, mowbray doesn’t have free reign to sign players whoever and whenever he likes, everything goes through the boss first 

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31 minutes ago, roverandout said:

Add to what merce said, mowbary Has left us in exactly the same position was when he came in. Has he significantly improved the squad? No. Are rovers results by and large been better with him in this league than when could left us? Debatable.

If that's really what you think then I'm afraid there isn't much hope for you. Those aren't opinions, they're disprovable nonsense.

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53 minutes ago, Angry_Pirate said:

So more bullshit from the manager yet again.

"Two signings in the next 24 hours"... shut up Tony. 

If I kept setting these deadlines in my job and kept blatantly lying and missing them... well, I'd be in a lot of bother. Not Tony Mowbray it seems.

 

Just now, Bbrovers2288 said:

Deals not announced today due to communication issues with India to get the final green light to complete. Therein lies the problem with absent owners. Photographer requested for tomorrow so they must be hopefull of concluding one or two . Still a bit of a shambles to be honest 

Good job we didn't burn poor Tony at the stake!

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Just now, Bbrovers2288 said:

Because they are still the money and need to approve it, mowbray doesn’t have free reign to sign players whoever and whenever he likes, everything goes through the boss first 

If you’ve delegated responsibility as in to waggott In this case a set budget for the season then he’s been given an allowance to spend as he sees fit.

I don’t sign of my other departments payments once they’ve been allocated budgets, I’ve passed it to them to work with the budget they have.

Simarly Blackburn council don’t go and ask the government to approve every penny they spend! Why? Because they’ve been entrusted with a budget to manage themselves.

To suggest otherwise is not the way how a business usually operates but this is venkys.

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Just now, Bbrovers2288 said:

Deals not announced today due to communication issues with India to get the final green light to complete. Therein lies the problem with absent owners. Photographer requested for tomorrow so they must be hopefull of concluding one or two . Still a bit of a shambles to be honest 

Heard anything in Hoilett

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3 hours ago, Mercer said:

Last season, there were eight players from the Coyle era who started at least 23 league games (half a season) or more:

Raya, Nyambe, Mulgrew, Lenihan, Williams, Bennett, Evans and Graham (Mulgrew, Williams & Graham being Coyle permanant signings).

Add to that list Gallagher who Coyle brought in on loan and who now Mowbray has just splashed £5million.

I would also point out that the plethora of Aacademy talent eg Travis, Butterwoth, Buckley, Magloire etc etc was all here when Mowbray arrived and has been developed by Johnno.  

Perhaps Coyle wasn't quite the 'donut' you think.

I do think that sometimes, people are a bit harsh in response to your posts to be honest, but the bit in bold has me wondering why anyone would ever say this on a Rovers forum unless they were attempting to get some serious bites.

A truly terrible comment, it really is.

Coyle was an absolutely horrendous manager for us, no ifs, no buts, no maybes. He was the doughnut we all thought and more. 

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9 minutes ago, Bbrovers2288 said:

Deals not announced today due to communication issues with India to get the final green light to complete. Therein lies the problem with absent owners. Photographer requested for tomorrow so they must be hopefull of concluding one or two . Still a bit of a shambles to be honest 

 

Just now, Bbrovers2288 said:

Because they are still the money and need to approve it, mowbray doesn’t have free reign to sign players whoever and whenever he likes, everything goes through the boss first 

Herein lies the problem.

Mowbray has done a decent job since he’s been here, particularly when you consider the clowns he is working for. 

Anyone who didn’t at least entertain the idea that the thus far farcical nature of our transfer business was down to those buffoons in India must be kidding themselves.

I quizzed Mowbray and Waggott on this at the consultation meeting, and they swore blind that they had a team of people who got deals done in different ways - none of which included interference from India. I was sceptical at the time and this is more evidence of their meddling. What if we now miss out on one or both of these signings? I doubt it would be the first time.

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Just now, Miller11 said:

 

I quizzed Mowbray and Waggott on this at the consultation meeting, and they swore blind that they had a team of people who got deals done in different ways - none of which included interference from India. I was sceptical at the time and this is more evidence of their meddling. What if we now miss out on one or both of these signings? I doubt it would be the first time.

No offence to @Bbrovers2288 but I don’t call that evidence, a snippet to create a more potential 2+2= scenario - there’s a plethora of player/agent/contract reasons any one transfer can stall.

Remember Degsy’s fax machine?

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Not sure if this is already linked here;

Actual journo for paper in Brighton.

If it happens - I can say I’m “pas mal” about the raya deal including this. Wigan always seemed to defend better, perhaps we will if he’s the new no1!

 

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1 hour ago, Angry_Pirate said:

So more bullshit from the manager yet again.

"Two signings in the next 24 hours"... shut up Tony. 

If I kept setting these deadlines in my job and kept blatantly lying and missing them... well, I'd be in a lot of bother. Not Tony Mowbray it seems.

"Hopefully we will sign two players tomorrow."

Actually what he said.

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8 minutes ago, Scotland1 said:

If you’ve delegated responsibility as in to waggott In this case a set budget for the season then he’s been given an allowance to spend as he sees fit.

I don’t sign of my other departments payments once they’ve been allocated budgets, I’ve passed it to them to work with the budget they have.

Simarly Blackburn council don’t go and ask the government to approve every penny they spend! Why? Because they’ve been entrusted with a budget to manage themselves.

To suggest otherwise is not the way how a business usually operates but this is venkys.

How long has Venkys been here, it’s how they do their business and they aren’t going to change, I was told in the very early days by Simon Williams (son of John) that you wouldn’t believe how they operate, he said, if you can imagine how it’s done in Britain, well turn it completely around and that’s how they run all their businesses, everything has to be signed off in India, nothing new,just frustrating when we all want new faces through the door, hopefully better news tomorrow.

Travis new contract was obviously signed off before today, but when you are negotiating loans/ buys details must change right up to the last minute, and then they have to contact the bosses in India for the green light.

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32 minutes ago, Jlee1984 said:

I feel he was signed just for the reason of having games called off due to internationals, 

Some folk have a class way of undermining others. Whatever the reason for his having been employed by the club, he lives a lifestyle most of us would trade places for in a heartbeat. Good luck to him, every other Rovers player, all the fans, admin & support staff, suppliers and any other stakeholder who knows me. It's going to be a long hard slog of a season.

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Just now, Biz said:

No offence to @Bbrovers2288 but I don’t call that evidence, a snippet to create a more potential 2+2= scenario - there’s a plethora of player/agent/contract reasons any one transfer can stall.

Remember Degsy’s fax machine?

Agreed, there are plenty of possible reasons... but I’m pretty sure he’s hit the nail on the head with the actual one.

The about turn on the defence, the sanctioning of money for Gallagher, the quick off loading of Raya, the ready wages for 30 somethings and the general shambles of trying to bring players in display all the hallmarks of Venky’s ownership. 

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