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Just now, bigbrandjohn said:

I think most fans are unhappy. We come back from our hold with high expectations and our dreams are shattered. Because that’s what they are. Meanwhile someone may have to eat “Peter Frampton” if this doesn’t go through. 

https://www.wigantoday.net/sport/football/wigan-athletic-leave-it-late-for-charlie-mulgrew-1-9925339

I think it was just done so late that it cant be formally announced until the UK reopens. Humble Pie should be safe enough.

Mind you it would be entertaining if it has gone tits up.

I wonder if we will ever know what really provoked this amazing last minute fiasco.

I think this story has a bit to run. I hope Charlie gets a fair hearing and not depart under a cloud.

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Whats going on cannot believe we are about to loan out our captain to a championship rival has mowbray lost the plot also we are left with inexperienced goalkeeper and centre half both on loan when we needed experience in both those positions Mowbray has had plenty of time to locate the necessary players. 

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1 hour ago, bigbrandjohn said:

I think most fans are unhappy. We come back from our hold with high expectations and our dreams are shattered. Because that’s what they are. Meanwhile someone may have to eat “Peter Frampton” if this doesn’t go through. 

https://www.wigantoday.net/sport/football/wigan-athletic-leave-it-late-for-charlie-mulgrew-1-9925339

Think we have to hope it does now, it would be awkward beyond belief if having basically bombed him out of the Club, the player is forced to return until January. We'd almost have to pay him to sit at home.

Amateur hour doesn't even begin to describe it.

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Just now, Norbert Rassragr said:

Not been able to keep up as I've been at work until 2am, but has there been no one coming in, but Mulgrew has gone to Wigan and Magloire is out on loan?

If that's the case, this has been dire, and the defence is even weaker.

Greg Cunningham LB season loan from Cardiff. Highly rated ex PNE

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7 hours ago, ben_the_beast said:

I think this is a disgusting attitude. Mulgrew has been poor for a while. The bloke needed replacing. But for the last 6 or 7 years or so it's been difficult to really sing many players names with pride. I have loved Dacky and Mulgrew. Charlie has been our captain and given his best. I see him as an honest pro and respect to him for still wanting to play first team football. He goes with my thanks. Non of this f off stuff. Bloke doesn't deserve that. I'd clap him back at ewood and sing about him being better than zidane one last time.

This is the kind of attitude that could have got Mowbray in trouble this season for me. I'm sure he thought Mulgrew was an 'honest pro' and 'gave his best' and that's more than likely why he started him on Saturday - look where that got us. 

The whole point of my "fuck off to Wigan" line was a response to if he's thrown his toys at being told he wasn't good enough on Saturday. He's clearly had it easy the last few years and didn't like having his nose put out of joint if that is the case, and of he's a bad influence on the dressing room then good riddance. It's a massive step for Mowbray to take this stance and I for one applaud it, fingers crossed it'll see Bennett benched on Saturday as well, though I'll believe it when I see it. 

There's no room for sentiment in football, so thanks for getting us out of League One Charlie (whilst also being part of the side that took us there) I'll reserve my "clapping ex players back at Ewood" for actual heroes. 

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6 hours ago, savage90 said:

Forest sign Chema Rodriguez (CB from Spain) and Carl Jenkinson. Let's face it other teams are more advance in their thinking and setups. They have delved into Europe and signed ample cover for key areas. It's about scouting, organisation, having a plan, getting your business done early and then adding to it. We started off OK but have now failed. I've always supported Mowbray but he has proved that he isn't up to the task of moving us forward. It will be a long season. Even teams under a transfer embargo have done better.

QPR for example have signed:

Lee Wallace (LB)

Marc Pugh (LW)

Todd Kane (RB)

Geoff Cameron (DM)

Yoann Barbet (CB)

Luke Amos (DM)

Nahki Wells (ST)

and Jordan Hugill (ST), amongst others.

Under a transfer embargo!! 

I said it at the start of last season and so did Mowbray, we have to look at Europe for help, yet an advert is still out proving we can't do it. That's what last year should have been all about. Our owners and management are still holding us back from a serious promotion push.

Leeds, Bristol City, Brentford, Sheffield Wednesday, Derby, Fulham, Stoke, Swansea, Forest, Cardiff and West Brom are miles ahead of us and will finish ahead of us. Unfortunately that is half of the league.

Take your point. But QPR arent under an embargo

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6 hours ago, tonygreenbank said:

Jeff Stelling very pointedly last Saturday mentioned that Mowbray’s face was one of anger at Mulgrew for missing a header against Charlton. Clearly harsh words have been exchanged this week. Most unusual that the club captain leaves after one match!

So far right or for wrong, Mowbray has potted the two players he personally feels have let us down (Raya and Mulgrew) and has added a straight replacement for another - Bell- who has had far too many stinkers.

Mowbray still enthralled to Bennett's athleticism and blind to him making at least six mistakes every game. Much as I'd like to see Nyambe in there, he too always has a mistake in him but obviously Bennett's all round action man gets him the nod.

The only rational explanations to lack of action filling our other gaps:

- we have a non-contract player or two (Lynch, Rodwell?) in sight and on the cusp of signing

- more interestingly, we have more youngsters ready for first team cover duties and capable of stepping up when there are injuries and suspensions if we ever have it in us to foul an opponent (Rankin-Costello, Grayson and Hart?). IF that is the case, the unwillingness to be legged over financially makes sense.

That said we have more than our fair share of big question marks all over the park. This could go horribly wrong or unexpectedly right. More likely, we are probably rank average on the balance of probabilities but let's see... 

 

As for most humiliating days, they were daily in the Kean era, getting Coyle and not Warnock as our Manager,  but I doubt we can ever go lower than the Court case with our own Chairman and what was said in public that day.

I will reiterate that we are having delayed reaction from those times in the level of bile spewing going on now. We would have been ecstatic to have had Mowbray and a window like we have just had at any time 2011, 2012, 2013 and pretty happy 2014-2017 too.

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Right, new day, transfer window is done, for my own sanity I'm going to try and focus on the positives. 

 

Johnson and Cunningham both quality signings, definately improve our first 11 and Gallagher gives us more options up front. Hopefully Tosin lives up to expectations and shows City why he should be ahead of Stones and Otamendi. Although Walton isn't ours he's no worse than Raya. I was speaking to my mate is a die hard Wiganer and he said the exact same things about Walton as we did about Raya, flaps on crosses, doesn't command his area and preferred they brought in someone with more experience (which they did). Time will tell if we're better or worse off but on face value it's much the same. On face value the first 11 should be better than last season, you would hope the experience of Cunny, Johnson and Downing would count for something. All we need is the manager to do now is pick our best 11 (with Rothwell) , stay away from a microphone and hope we stay injury free at the back. Take something away from Fulham and a half decent defensive performance would boost confidence and the general mood. A decent free signing or two would be ideal to just ease some nerves, someone like Lynch on low wages wouldn't be bad to help squad numbers but Vorm and Neustadter would be ideal, I hope we're still looking, hope Sharpe can find out if we'll be looking at free agents. All in all I'd say the window has been a 6/10, maybe better or worse dependant on how Tosin performs. 

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Just now, Neal said:

Right, new day, transfer window is done, for my own sanity I'm going to try and focus on the positives. 

 

Johnson and Cunningham both quality signings and definately improve our first 11 abd Gallagher gives us more options up front. Hopefully Tosin lives up to expectations and shows City why he should be ahead of Stones and Otamendi. Although Walton isn't ours he's no worse than Raya. I was speaking to my mate is a die hard Wiganer and he said the exact same things about Walton as we did about Raya, flaps on crosses and doesn't command his area and preferred they brought in someone with more experience (which they did). Time will tell if we're better or worse off but on face value it's much the same. On face value the first 11 should be better than last season, you would hope the experience of Cunny, Johnson and Downing would count for something. All we need the manager to do now is pick our best 11, stsy away from a microphone and hope we stay injury free at the back. Take something away from Fulham and a half decent performance would boost confidence and the general mood. A decent free signing or two would be ideal to just ease some nerves, someone like Lynch on low wages wouldn't be bad to help squad numbers but Vorm and Neustadterwould be ideal, I hope we're still looking, hope Sharpe can find out if we'll be looking at free agents. All in all I'd say the window has been a 6/10, maybe better or worse dependant on how Tosin performs. 

I predict Tosin will start against Fulham ?

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Just now, Neal said:

Right, new day, transfer window is done, for my own sanity I'm going to try and focus on the positives. 

 

Johnson and Cunningham both quality signings, definately improve our first 11 and Gallagher gives us more options up front. Hopefully Tosin lives up to expectations and shows City why he should be ahead of Stones and Otamendi. Although Walton isn't ours he's no worse than Raya. I was speaking to my mate is a die hard Wiganer and he said the exact same things about Walton as we did about Raya, flaps on crosses, doesn't command his area and preferred they brought in someone with more experience (which they did). Time will tell if we're better or worse off but on face value it's much the same. On face value the first 11 should be better than last season, you would hope the experience of Cunny, Johnson and Downing would count for something. All we need is the manager to do now is pick our best 11 (with Rothwell) , stay away from a microphone and hope we stay injury free at the back. Take something away from Fulham and a half decent defensive performance would boost confidence and the general mood. A decent free signing or two would be ideal to just ease some nerves, someone like Lynch on low wages wouldn't be bad to help squad numbers but Vorm and Neustadter would be ideal, I hope we're still looking, hope Sharpe can find out if we'll be looking at free agents. All in all I'd say the window has been a 6/10, maybe better or worse dependant on how Tosin performs. 

Pretty much my take on it too.

We are walking a defensive tightrope with injuries though, fully fit we can have a decent defence, if he picks the right players and plays them week in, week out together. 

If Mulgrews loan actually gets confirmed I'd be making Johnson captain 100%, he won't be afraid to fire a few rockets up backsides unlike nice guy Charlie.

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Just now, Ossydave said:

Pretty much my take on it too.

We are walking a defensive tightrope with injuries though, fully fit we can have a decent defence, if he picks the right players and plays them week in, week out together. 

If Mulgrews loan actually gets confirmed I'd be making Johnson captain 100%, he won't be afraid to fire a few rockets up backsides unlike nice guy Charlie.

So TM will go with newly signed Johnson and not Bennet we will see.

 

i agree with you though a great choice 

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Whilst Reed was good for us there wasn’t a whole host of clubs knocking the door down to buy or loan him in particular from premier league clubs! Is his stock really that good?

Also the loan to buy option is for the other Reed they signed NOT Harrison as I read it.

Mulgrew situation baffling!

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41 minutes ago, CrouchingNunhiddenCucumber said:

This is the kind of attitude that could have got Mowbray in trouble this season for me. I'm sure he thought Mulgrew was an 'honest pro' and 'gave his best' and that's more than likely why he started him on Saturday - look where that got us. 

The whole point of my "fuck off to Wigan" line was a response to if he's thrown his toys at being told he wasn't good enough on Saturday. He's clearly had it easy the last few years and didn't like having his nose put out of joint if that is the case, and of he's a bad influence on the dressing room then good riddance. It's a massive step for Mowbray to take this stance and I for one applaud it, fingers crossed it'll see Bennett benched on Saturday as well, though I'll believe it when I see it. 

There's no room for sentiment in football, so thanks for getting us out of League One Charlie (whilst also being part of the side that took us there) I'll reserve my "clapping ex players back at Ewood" for actual heroes. 

I think it just shows how fickle fans are. One bloke posts on a message board that he has thrown his toys out the pram after being called out in an interview (in which he very clearly wasnt called out and the question about defence was clearly sidestepped) and you are saying fuck off then. 

I am not saying Mowbray shouldn't be more ruthless. I think all on here can see that has been a weakness of his. It's only a message board but nevertheless it was an extreme reaction based on very little. It seemed like you were climbing down a little with the thanks for getting us out of league 1, then followed it up with an, I'll reserve my clapping comment. 

I'm not comparing him with tugay, friedel, Shearer etc. But the bloke has led us well in his short time here. I'm sure he wont miss your claps though cucumber 

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Rank bad PR from the club all round, from the lack of timely announcement of the incoming of Greg Cunningham, to the handling of Charlie Mulgrew's in out in out shake it all about exit to the pie-men.

This is what happens when you pare resources to the bone. 

Poor show for the loyal fan base, IMO,.

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Just now, WIR Second Coming said:

Rank bad PR from the club all round, from the lack of timely announcement of the incoming of Greg Cunningham, to the handling of Charlie Mulgrew's in out in out shake it all about exit to the pie-men.

This is what happens when you pare resources to the bone. 

Poor show for the loyal fan base, IMO,.

Lack of a timely announcement about Cunningham? What do you mean? 

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Just now, Neal said:

Right, new day, transfer window is done, for my own sanity I'm going to try and focus on the positives. 

 

Johnson and Cunningham both quality signings, definately improve our first 11 and Gallagher gives us more options up front. Hopefully Tosin lives up to expectations and shows City why he should be ahead of Stones and Otamendi. Although Walton isn't ours he's no worse than Raya. I was speaking to my mate is a die hard Wiganer and he said the exact same things about Walton as we did about Raya, flaps on crosses, doesn't command his area and preferred they brought in someone with more experience (which they did). Time will tell if we're better or worse off but on face value it's much the same. On face value the first 11 should be better than last season, you would hope the experience of Cunny, Johnson and Downing would count for something. All we need is the manager to do now is pick our best 11 (with Rothwell) , stay away from a microphone and hope we stay injury free at the back. Take something away from Fulham and a half decent defensive performance would boost confidence and the general mood. A decent free signing or two would be ideal to just ease some nerves, someone like Lynch on low wages wouldn't be bad to help squad numbers but Vorm and Neustadter would be ideal, I hope we're still looking, hope Sharpe can find out if we'll be looking at free agents. All in all I'd say the window has been a 6/10, maybe better or worse dependant on how Tosin performs. 

Summed up pretty well, think we signed   some decent players, everyone screaming all summer that Mulgrew shouldn’t be starting, loan him him out(if it goes through) and same are saying he shouldn’t have gone, can’t win.

5 players (inc goalie) in defence, we’ve replaced 3 with obviously Lenihan not one  needed to replace, only R/B not addressed.

Still think Nyambe Tosin Lenihan Cunningham looks a better back 4 than the one started against Charlton, still think Alan Hutton has another season in him at R/B (free agent).

Williams decent back up at C/B and then it’s probably Grayson/Nyambe  as well. Window not as bad as some saying, could have been better, like you say, all depends on Tosin if he can be the dominant c/h we need, with Walton also commanding that area, 

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Mulgrew obviously wanted out after being told he wouldn't be  starter.

Ballsy by Mowbray, but we are a CB short now. Hopefully a few good free agents out there. I would take Lenihan, Williams and Tosin, but we need to factor in potential injuries 

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Goalkeeper - might be similar to Raya. Don't know yet.

Right Back - would start with Nyambe. JRC and Bennett can cover. This will do I suppose. Big season for Nyambe.

Centre Half - the one I was hoping for and the one that would have been my priority. An experienced 30+ year old who could organise the defence, get them set up and switched on. I don't think we got that and we certainly didn't have it before. But we did get a 6 foot 4 centre half in from Man City, rated by their manager. Leaving us with Lenihan, Williams (looks comfortable enough in there for me), the aforementioned Tosin. Also Nyambe can cover, plus there's Grayson - and maybe even Mulgrew yet. But we're one short for me if Mulgrew does go. So maybe we will bring in a free agent? Don't know.

Left Back - Cunningham sounds just the ticket. Bell, Hart can cover and Williams of course. Upgraded

Midfield - Johnson and Travis every week. Upgraded through Johnson. Plenty of cover and bodies here. Evans, Smallwood will do a job but you'd hope their playing time will be limited. There's also Downing, Davenport, Bennett.   

Attacking Mid - Dack, Butterworth, Buckley perhaps? Can take from the pool of other midfielders and forwards if need be.

Forwards - Graham, Gallagher, Armstrong, Brereton, Samuel, Chapman

So in summary more than enough cover up front and in midfield. Where you fit them all in I have no idea and there is a lack of width for me, but that's not how we set up. Defence: improved the left back position. Right back; as you were. Centre half is clearly the concern. I see that Cunningham and Williams played at Bristol City together so hopefully they'll have a good understanding. Would have loved to have seen that Kevin Moran, Craig Short, Henning Berg type brought in but there you go. We shall see.

 

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7 hours ago, DavidMailsTightPerm said:

Interesting that many are lauding some teams buying largely unknown players from abroad. People have short memories  - remember the Portugeuse experiment ?

This window will be defined by whether we get a half decent out of contract central defender. Also huge pressure on Tosin coming good.

For all the criticism of TM - I wonder how much he has been limited by our wage bill. For which the lack of season ticket sales won't have helped.

Pretty much sold same ST as last year. The lack of say 1500 season tickets (Waggot's target) generating £500,000 at best?  That's limiting him?  That will probably equate to Downing's wage...

The fact you are saying our season will be defined by whether we get a decent out of contract defender says everything about this window.

Mowbray has made his bed.  Now he has to lie in it.

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