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2 hours ago, arbitro said:

In the recent past we have had a situation with similarities. Kean picked an under strength team at Cardiff in the League Cup Quarter Final and Rovers fans were enraged by this. I recall this board going into meltdown. To be fair this was compounded by his stupid 'forfeit' comment. In my opinion it's exactly the same principle that fans pay good money and should be given the strongest team available on the day. With eight days between games Huddersfield have no excuse for not playing the nucleus of players who won at Wolves.

They will receive a token fine with a suspended threat not to do it again from a weak EFL Board. 

Rev please note! :mellow:

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The struggle for the soul of the club commenced on day one. There were about thirty clubs in the town when John Lewis decided to form a new one. Reasoning that money was the key he invited the sons of

Interestingly I think this says a lot about Mowbray general philosophy. When Travis got his chance in the first team the thing that was pleasing to see was the way his first thought was a foward pass

Have made my position very clear on this over the months, our demise is no surprise whatsoever to me and I think he needs to go now. This isn't  a situation that has just cropped up, it's a compl

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Just now, JHRover said:

The rules say you're only allowed to start a game with 11 players on the pitch. I'm sure if they could managers would love to start with 12 or 13 as that would give them an advantage over rivals, but they aren't allowed.

The rules say that whilst competing in the Championship you must field your strongest side, so when a manager makes 10 changes between Wednesday and Saturday it is a blatant breach of that rule. The manager might want to rest players en masse and essentially write a game off as the play-offs are already secured, but unfortunately rules are rules and must be strictly enforced.

If that manager, his players or Huddersfield fans don't like it then they should write to the 'EFL' and complain and ask for the rule to be removed, but until it is they should abide by it or suffer the consequences.

I'm sure if Huddersfield had made 4-5 changes for the game then they could have argued that it wasn't a second string side. But their manager said:

"We will now make the right decisions in the next two games to keep everybody fresh for the play-offs. Today we celebrate"

Following that he made 10 changes to his starting 11 between Wednesday and Saturday. That is as blatant as it can get.

The 'EFL' have already said that the only action under consideration is direct against Huddersfield i.e. a slap on the wrist fine and a nice timely boost to the coffers for the boys down at HQ.

The rules are the rules. All clubs sign up for them in advance. We've suffered at the hands of rules which on the surface appear daft e.g. FFP, our complaints fell on deaf ears as we'd had ample time to prepare. Huddersfield have earned themselves a place in the play-offs and a chance to get to the Premier League. They haven't earned themselves the right to break the rules to give players a rest and affect the relegation scrap in doing so.

Huddersfield's flagrant disregard for the rules may cost us our Championship status, our Academy status, our manager, our better players and millions and millions of extra £ debt. It may send us into administration or even liquidation. Whatever happens League 1 will have serious ramifications for this football club. It may even hasten Venky's departure.

On the other hand it will cost Huddersfield about £50k in fines.

Big Club to go down and Huddersfield to stay down will be a perfect end to a dreadful season.

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Just now, blueboy3333 said:

Huddersfield's flagrant disregard for the rules may cost us our Championship status, our Academy status, our manager, our better players and millions and millions of extra £ debt. It may send us into administration or even liquidation. Whatever happens League 1 will have serious ramifications for this football club. It may even hasten Venky's departure.

On the other hand it will cost Huddersfield about £50k in fines.

Big Club to go down and Huddersfield to stay down will be a perfect end to a dreadful season.

Add in the lost jobs at the Club and in the Town.

If Venkys leave after this probable relegation I will send Wagner a cake. My Thai wife is however a crap confectioner.

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1 hour ago, Mattyblue said:

We will 'keep it tight and try and nick a goal' says Mowbray. 

Risky strategy when we in all likelyhood have to get 3 points...

 

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/rovers/news/15259962._We_have_to_put_that_doubt_in_everyone___s_mind____Rovers_head_coach_looks_to_put_pressure_on_relegation_rivals/?ref=mac

For whatever reason Mowbray has decided that keeping 'it tight and try and nick a goal' is our best chance of winning games. Probably because the team is slow and unfit on the whole. Championship teams are normally the opposite. 

Brentford play good football, are under no pressure and are good at home. If we go there  to attack and outplay them there's a good chance the game will be over after half an hour. If they get a couple early on it will become an end of season carnival @#/?-take. The longer we keep it at 0-0 the more not arsed Brentford and the crowd will become. I'd imagine the plan, like the Villa match, is to kill the game first half and then apply some pressure in the 2nd when we've bored them into submission:D

It's obviously a gamble playing this way when we need to win but I don't see he has a choice with the players he's got and the fact we are away from home against a side that have hammered better teams than us.

Anyway, have a good day out and hopefully there'll be load of Rovers players jumping into the crowd at the end of the game in celebration, just like Duffy when he scored there for us.

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4 hours ago, Mattyblue said:

We will 'keep it tight and try and nick a goal' says Mowbray. 

Risky strategy when we in all likelyhood have to get 3 points...

 

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/rovers/news/15259962._We_have_to_put_that_doubt_in_everyone___s_mind____Rovers_head_coach_looks_to_put_pressure_on_relegation_rivals/?ref=mac

As with the Bristol City game, exactly the opposite approa ch to what is needed. If we want to put doubt in people's minds we need to get an early goa,l take complete control of the match and go in at HT a couole of goals to the good.

We could coast along for 75 mins "keeping it tight" then if Brum and Forest Nick a goal we could find ourselves with the impossible task of having to score 3 goals in the last 15 mins when we could have been spending the first 75 trying to get on the scoresheet.

The more I hear and see from Mowbray the less convinced I am by him. Of course if we do try that approach and others lose then he looks like a genius but we should be trying to be proactive rather than hoping others fail to bail us out.

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Just now, Suhail Slayer said:

It's more important not to go gung ho from the off and find ourselves 2-0 down after 10 minutes.

At 0-0 we have the ability to assess tactics and other scores during the course of the 90 mins

i.e. keeping some level of control which we won't have if we are down and out before half time.

In Tony we trust

Nonsense. It'd be pretty handy if we were two up after 10 mins. And we wont have any control if we get to half time 0-!0 and the others have gone for it and are 2 up.

We need to strike first.

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Personally I think Mowbray has done incredibly well to give us a fighting chance, we'd have been down under Coyle weeks ago. However, I hope he ditches the cautious negative tactics on Sunday and just goes for it. 

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I do feel for Mowbray he's got a couple of things wrong but we would have been comfy over a season with him over Coyle.

Its going to be horrible seeing Arry lauded as a genius when he was handed survival on a plate by Huddersfield

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1 hour ago, Tom said:

I do feel for Mowbray he's got a couple of things wrong but we would have been comfy over a season with him over Coyle.

Its going to be horrible seeing Arry lauded as a genius when he was handed survival on a plate by Huddersfield

They basically needed to win one game and made very hard work of that against Huddersfield's reserves. There are serious problems at Big Club and if they don't bring in the right manager (how about that Gary Rowett fella?) they have to be among the favourites to drop next season. 

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12 hours ago, Athlete said:

Bull s hit propoganda.

I have a close mate here who is lifelong Forest and he is more out of kilter than me.

I agree that TM has done ok for us and I will not be blaming him if we go down. He's been a one armed cook baking a cake made with eggs that are off.

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Just now, DE. said:

They basically needed to win one game and made very hard work of that against Huddersfield's reserves. There are serious problems at Big Club and if they don't bring in the right manager (how about that Gary Rowett fella?) they have to be among the favourites to drop next season. 

If Brum stay up and 'Arry takes the gig I will enjoy his 'spending' activity making their owners eyes bleed. A vastly over rated Spiv.

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Despite the (in my opinion) unfair stick he's got from a few, he's got to stay imo. He won't be replaced, I think he did well despite the relegation.

With TM, lenihan, nyambe, a couple of the old guard, I think we will fair much better than this season over 46 games.

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Although I do like the bloke and would support him next season, I couldn't help but picture an older version of Bowyer as he was helplessly clapping towards the end.

In the end he could do nothing about Ipswich rolling over and Bristol playing keep ball but not bothering trying to score. We lost it against Burton, Preston and Barnsley.

Yes, what has happened with Birmingham stinks but ultimately trying to win by one goal has failed more often that it's worked.

Venkys relegated us when they had a choice to make and they (or their advisors) chose Coyle. The #coyleout campaign was blasted last June by the "Give him a chance FFS" brigade but they are vindicated today. Not that it makes anyone feel better to say I told you so.

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Really hope he stays. Been a real positive since coming in. This pathetic excuse of a squad should have been relegated weeks ago, he almost pulled off the miracle.

New owners and TM to sign a new deal. There's gonna be huge pressure on Venkys to sell, more than ever before. And certainly more than there would have been if we'd stayed up. That's the only crumb of comfort right now. 

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The squad and club overall is a joke, so to get us up to 51 points was good going. I dread to think who we'll appoint if he goes. Probably David Dunn.

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Just now, Stuart said:

1. Although I do like the bloke and would support him next season, I couldn't help but picture an older version of Bowyer as he was helplessly clapping towards the end.

2.In the end he could do nothing about Ipswich rolling over and Bristol playing keep ball but not bothering trying to score. We lost it against Burton, Preston and Barnsley.

3. Yes, what has happened with Birmingham stinks but ultimately trying to win by one goal has failed more often that it's worked.

5. Venkys relegated us when they had a choice to make and they (or their advisors) chose Coyle. The #coyleout campaign was blasted last June by the "Give him a chance FFS" brigade but they are vindicated today. Not that it makes anyone feel better to say I told you so.

1. What should he be doing? Sat on bench? Kicking lumps out of the touch line? 

2. 46 games. If we'd had him from the start it would be different.

3. We gave goals away through mistakes, those individual errors that cost us points. Setting up to be organised is not "trying to win by one goal", in my humble opinion. To sweep a tactical approach into one sentence like such offers zip.

4. "Give him a chance brigade"... again, I'm never shocked by the want to group fans together to hit with a short stick! I know you agree that there isn't a single Rovers fan who said he was a good choice, but you cannot be blissfully unaware of how difficult it is to protest an appointment without giving them at least some time to prove themselves.

We agree hugely on the mistakes that Venkys are responsible for but for Tony Mowbray, (for me) he has to stay! I personally see another Lambert scenario. 

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Just now, Biz said:

1. What should he be doing? Sat on bench? Kicking lumps out of the touch line? 

2. 46 games. If we'd had him from the start it would be different.

3. We gave goals away through mistakes, those individual errors that cost us points. Setting up to be organised is not "trying to win by one goal", in my humble opinion. To sweep a tactical approach into one sentence like such offers zip.

4. "Give him a chance brigade"... again, I'm never shocked by the want to group fans together to hit with a short stick! I know you agree that there isn't a single Rovers fan who said he was a good choice, but you cannot be blissfully unaware of how difficult it is to protest an appointment without giving them at least some time to prove themselves.

We agree hugely on the mistakes that Venkys are responsible for but for Tony Mowbray, (for me) he has to stay! I personally see another Lambert scenario. 

Oh just shut the F up for once! :angry: 

I'm trying to rationalise what just happened and you've just spent 2-3 minutes trying to counter every point in some kind of one-up-manship.

Now is not the time.

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Thanks Tony you gave us hope but the job was too big after Coyles tenure.

He has to stay but fear he will take the blame and walk 

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On Fri May 05 2017 at 9:52 AM, Tom said:

I do feel for Mowbray he's got a couple of things wrong but we would have been comfy over a season with him over Coyle.

Its going to be horrible seeing Arry lauded as a genius when he was handed survival on a plate by Huddersfield

Very dodgy if you ask me.

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Just now, Tom said:

Thanks Tony you gave us hope but the job was too big after Coyles tenure.

He has to stay but fear he will take the blame and walk 

Spot on, you can tell he will be a "necessary cut". Disaster.

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