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So Mowbray thinks Gallagher has regressed since he was here last but he's a good investment !

Travis gives the ball away too much but he's a nice lad

Your saying all the wrong things Tony

And if I was Rothwell I'd put in a transfer request tomorrow after that article. I can't think of any other manager who likes to talk players down instead of up.

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3 hours ago, OldEwoodBlue said:

https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/politics/quicktest/18054984.who-earned-right----mowbray-explains-team-selection/

 

OK so this is a lecture to us mere fans that we know nowt.

You really want to love the guy but he just needs to fucking win games...

 

He wants Dack on the pitch because he can score even though he's playing badly. But yet he doesn't play Graham.

 

He wants to educate Rothwell about football like a child and make him another robotic player ? Or is he showing him videos of Sterling every day and asking him to be more offensive?

 

Sam Gallagher... lummox who runs around a lot. Great.

Armstrong... fast but a bit dumb. Great.

 

I could not give a flying fuck about all this crap he talks. I want us to get 3 points tomorrow. 3 more points on Wednesday. and 3 points the game after.... etc.

Infuriating!

I get that he has defaulted to Walton in the same way he defaulted to Raya - despite not having the set up to motivate either.

Dack has reached talismanic status but hasn’t been near his best.

But how on EARTH has Bennett earned his way to being a permanent starter? Injuries? Having no other full back? Fist pumps?

He is past the point of no return. Lose tomorrow and there will be riots total and utter apathy.

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1 hour ago, Mr. E said:

His explanation on Bennett is absolutely incredible. If he had prefaced that by stating that he has great footballing qualities (which he doesn't in any case) but also happens to be a good talker and the life of the dressing room I'd understand.....but he just mentioned the latter. Bennett is only being picked because he is a good talker. Does Mowbray know this isn't professional wrestling?

If talking won football matches he might have a point.

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2 hours ago, MarkBRFC said:

It also states in the article that some players need to find consistency.

Mowbray doesn't give them the chance too, Rothwell - 3 starts, all away from home, followed by numerous 20 minute cameos off the bench.

Baffling.

Just as an aside Rochina scores the winner for Levante in La Liga tonight !!

just saying ...

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57 minutes ago, Crimpshrine said:

So Mowbray thinks Gallagher has regressed since he was here last but he's a good investment !

Travis gives the ball away too much but he's a nice lad

Your saying all the wrong things Tony

And if I was Rothwell I'd put in a transfer request tomorrow after that article. I can't think of any other manager who likes to talk players down instead of up.

He does talk players up though, well Elliot Bennett because he's good in the dressing room. And apparently drives the team forwards.....?

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3 minutes ago, tomphil said:

He does talk players up though, well Elliot Bennett because he's good in the dressing room. And apparently drives the team forwards.....?

Strange considering we're going backwards. Perhaps he needs to buy Elliot a Satnav for Christmas.

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4 hours ago, frosty said:

Furious reading that about Rothwell. In his one spell of being a starter at the club (one proper run in the starting eleven in 18 months....), he did everything Mowbray said he doesn’t - he was scoring, assisting and we had a four match winning streak in that time too, no doubt having another player on the pitch apart from Dack and Graham (remember him?) who could score helped get those results.

But of course for Armstrong it clearly isn’t about goals or assists. He’ll be relieved given he scores about 4 a season but it’s odd that that’s Mowbray’s way of thinking, considering Armstrong plays in the same sort of position as Rothwell.

Yes. It's worrying that TM openly admits that it is different criteria for 2 players in the same position. rothwell is about end product - yet Armstrong has none- Armstrong is about qualities. It's an appalling double standard and even worse that he has admitted it. 

2 hours ago, Mr. E said:

His explanation on Bennett is absolutely incredible. If he had prefaced that by stating that he has great footballing qualities (which he doesn't in any case) but also happens to be a good talker and the life of the dressing room I'd understand.....but he just mentioned the latter. Bennett is only being picked because he is a good talker. Does Mowbray know this isn't professional wrestling?

So Bennett is picked by being a good talker rather than ability? Again a crazy admission. Not sure how he drives the team on - conceding penalties and losing his man? Also aside from being gash he also isn't played in his proper/natural position. Madness. 

 

The article was just horrible. Horrible, horrible, horrible exposing how deluded TM is. It's almost as bad as Prince Andrew's BBC appearance (albeit on a much less serious topic.) 

A few other thoughts from the car crash article. 

1) Of the 4 players ever present until this game I would happily see the back of 3. Walton isn't fit to be an understudy and Bennett and Williams are very limited squad players whose key attribute is versatility. The fact they have been ever present helps explain where we are. 

2) The Dack stuff sounds horrible mismanagement. For a bit of a party boy to be told it doesn't matter about his form as he has goals in him is not going to exact him to higher srandards. Plus it must be a kick in the teeth to many players who are judged on performance - like Rothwell. Hell, it's just bad management to say players can get a free pass regardless of how they play. Can't believe how terrible that is when I paraphrase it! Also it must be bemusing for Graham and Mulgrew who both still had a goal in them but are benchesld and shipped out respectively. 

3) The Gallagher part could be entitled "why it's not my fault I spunked £5 million" as TM looks to shift the blame for Gally's inadequacies onto everyone but him. PR to Pune imo. 

4) Surprisingly what isn't said is equally damning. Only 4 or 5 likely starters shows how clueless TM is both with his set up and nous as well as his transfer record. Surely for the money spent on them Johnson and the City lad for example should be regular starters although in the case of the former it again looks like another transfer clanger by TM. 

Overall the interview shows why TM needs to go. Terrible motivation, management and tactical nous all displayed in a speech of waffle and horse manure, and imo some unethical double standards. This guy is a joker and needs to go asap. 

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Mowbray: “I generally pick Elliott Bennett because he drives this team, the life of the dressing room. Every player in that dressing room looks up to Elliott Bennett and when he talks, they listen."

I simply refuse to believe that.

Just because Mowbray says something it does not make it true.

Mowbray, being deluded, will believe it.

He's away with the Fairies, poor Sod.

Mowbray, just do one.

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1 hour ago, AllRoverAsia said:

Mowbray: “I generally pick Elliott Bennett because he drives this team, the life of the dressing room. Every player in that dressing room looks up to Elliott Bennett and when he talks, they listen."

Talking in the dressing room is one thing transferring it into action on the pitch is another, if that's your criteria for picking the team Mowbray then you are a fool, being the life of the dressing room does not make you a better player.

Remember the old saying" if you can talk the talk you have to walk the walk' and that's just not happening.

 

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As much as I think he needs replacing the reality is that, unless he resigns we are stuck with him. The power base he has built at Rovers has him firmly at the helm and the autonomy he has will make it nigh on impossible for his subserviants to do anything. The Indians haven't got the foggiest about what a shambles the club really is and their failure to appoint a real Chief Exec (as opposed to the managers mate) is going to see us in another relegation scrap on their watch. Mowbrays inane ramblings in recent times demonstrate he has run his course. Managers who constantly defend themselves are usually out of ideas.

Once again the tail is wagging the dog as we crash and burn.

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6 hours ago, unleaded said:

Who is there to pull him up ! Waggot is just a stamp.....

That article just sums up that he can say what he wants and when he wants ... 

like he says I know everything .......

Exactly. Waggott even admitted in the FF minutes that he would consult Mowbray about where the visiting fans sit! Just what does Waggott do for his money? I wouldn't be surprised if Mowbray had the final say on the Diwali menu.

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7 minutes ago, arbitro said:

As much as I think he needs replacing the reality is that, unless he resigns we are stuck with him. The power base he has built at Rovers has him firmly at the helm and the autonomy he has will make it nigh on impossible for his subserviants to do anything. The Indians haven't got the foggiest about what a shambles the club really is and their failure to appoint a real Chief Exec (as opposed to the managers mate) is going to see us in another relegation scrap on their watch. Mowbrays inane ramblings in recent times demonstrate he has run his course. Managers who constantly defend themselves are usually out of ideas.

Once again the tail is wagging the dog as we crash and burn.

In all my years in following Rovers and Football, in general, I cannot recall another manager having such control over a Club as Mowbray does at Rovers. It has been achieved in a relatively short time frame which speaks volumes for the ineptitude and disinterest of the owners,

Mowbray tried the same sort of 'takeover' at Coventry but came across more business savvy ownership.

I am at a loss to understand how so many of our Fans, well what remains of our decimated following, cannot see through this charade sold on the back of a "I build Football Clubs"

I truly hope I last long enough to see the back of Mowbray and his cohorts.

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7 minutes ago, AllRoverAsia said:

In all my years in following Rovers and Football, in general, I cannot recall another manager having such control over a Club as Mowbray does at Rovers. It has been achieved in a relatively short time frame which speaks volumes for the ineptitude and disinterest of the owners,

Mowbray tried the same sort of 'takeover' at Coventry but came across more business savvy ownership.

I am at a loss to understand how so many of our Fans, well what remains of our decimated following, cannot see through this charade sold on the back of a "I build Football Clubs"

I truly hope I last long enough to see the back of Mowbray and his cohorts.

That control by Mowbray has only been possible because of the lack of authority and control above him. The club is is a bloody mess under these owners.

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5 hours ago, jw_ said:

Talking in the dressing room is one thing transferring it into action on the pitch is another, if that's your criteria for picking the team Mowbray then you are a fool, being the life of the dressing room does not make you a better player.

Remember the old saying" if you can talk the talk you have to walk the walk' and that's just not happening.

 

Absolutely. For all of Mowbray’s tubthumping (and I genuinely think he believes his own press - not helped when the LT is simply an echo chamber) the only thing that matters is results.

If you get them, you can point to the successful contributions of whomever you like. If you don’t get them then to congratulate folk for failure just makes you look foolish.

In other walks of like, you have to have a clear idea of what a successful result is. In football is is very simple indeed.

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Everyday my hate for TM increases. That whole passage is trash. The Rothwell topic blows my mind. Wasn't he our best player in the last few games & didn't he score goals? All of a sudden, start of the season comes and he drops him? Don't care what anyone says Mowbray is falling into the coyle & kean group for me. He's done his bit & at this moment in time he couldn't be more out of his depth if he tried. Please fuck off.

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Just now, BankEnd Rover said:

Everyday my hate for TM increases. That whole passage is trash. The Rothwell topic blows my mind. Wasn't he our best player in the last few games & didn't he score goals? All of a sudden, start of the season comes and he drops him? Don't care what anyone says Mowbray is falling into the coyle & kean group for me. He's done his bit & at this moment in time he couldn't be more out of his depth if he tried. Please fuck off.

The club needs a change in ownership. After 9(nine) years, Venkys haven't appointed one good manager.

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Ive heard and read the Rothwell part of the interview and I can understand what he says and why he hasnt picked him. Holtby performance has been better after that game. 

As for the comment about Mowbray is falling into Coyle and Kean group. I have to say that is disgraceful comment and he doesnt deserve that sort of comments from Fans after the good job he has done here. 

 

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“I felt as if we did address the defence. We changed the left back, brought Cunningham in, we brought Adarabioyo who has the potential to be a really top player. There’s no need to go and buy another three centre halves and have them sitting on the bench thinking ‘why did they sign me?’”

Why do you do that with midfielders and strikers then Tony?

Anyhow, you dont buy defenders to sit on the bench, you buy them to come into the team as the defence we currently have is atrocious. Buy better than what we have and challenge those dropped to force their way back in. He has it the wrong way around so no wonder Bauer turned us down.

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Just now, Gavlar Somerset Rover! said:

Raya and Mulgrew singles out in relation to Rovers 69 goals conceded last season.

Let’s have a look...

Raya conceded 13 in 16 [0.8pg], 5 clean sheets (38%)

Walton conceded 24 in 16 [1.5pg], 4 clean sheets (17%)


Mulgrew conceded 6 goals in 8 games [1.3pg], 4 clean sheets (50%)

Lenihan, 13 in 10 [1.3pg], 4 cs (31%)

Williams, 22 in 15 [1.5pg], 4 cs (18%)

Adarabioyo, 15 in 8 [1.88pg], 1 cs (at rb) (7%)

Nyambe, 9 in 6 [1.5pg], 1 cs (11%)

Bell, 11 in 5 [2.2pg], 1 cs (9%)

Bennett, 24 in 16 [1.5pg], 4 cs (16%)

 

The two player ‘blamed’ and let go for our 69 goals are actual better than our current lot.

So is it still the individuals or is there something inherently wrong with the way Mowbray sets up his defence and goalkeeping departments? (We all know his recruitment there is shocking).

Another ingredient in our 2019/20 recipe for disaster.

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