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1 win in 12 should be taking him back to Saltburn permanently.

It would at most other clubs but here they keep their nerve, so the process can be repeated.

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I’m sorry Paul, but it really has bewildered me that running Blackburn Rovers sensibly has been made to look as arduous as sewing in sparring mitts, but that is how it has been presented throughout th

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The trouble is, this is a well-trodden route in the Copybook of Tony Mowbray. A week back, prior to Cardiff and following the utterly woeful and woebegone showings against Wigan and Barnsley, we neede

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“I don’t think it was too different from what we’ve been doing every week, yet we’ve been losing 1-0 and we could have lost that 1-0 had Sam not headed that one into the net, and the questions would have kept coming about how we haven’t won enough football matches"

 

But since we drew the game, there won't be any questions about how we're not winning enough? 

 

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what is this flipping maniac smoking? 

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https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/19177008.tony-mowbray-feels-tide-starting-turn-rovers/

It's ok, tables are turning. We are drawing games, it's all good. Move along ,nothing to see here

So anyway, that puts to bed any fleeting hope of Tony being an honourable man after not achieving his targets. He's sticking it out,no matter what. Chancer. 

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Indeed, it was never ‘naivety’.

Putting full trust in people that are clever enough to put the hard yards in with them in building personal relationships is how they operate, accordingly they are then given the keys to the castle - that’s simply their approach to business, as ridiculous and potentially ruinous it may seem to us...

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1 hour ago, Mattyblue said:

Indeed, it was never ‘naivety’.

Putting full trust in people that are clever enough to put the hard yards in with them in building personal relationships is how they operate, accordingly they are then given the keys to the castle - that’s simply their approach to business, as ridiculous and potentially ruinous it may seem to us...

Completely agree - and it's happening again now as far as I can see, but is that not almost the definition of "naivety"?

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1 hour ago, Kamy100 said:

I think that you are right, we got too involved in looking for dodgy dealings and breaches, possibly because of the involvement of a certain agent and people running the cliub, maybe the focus should have also been put on the Walker Family.  

I stopped looking into these things many years ago, I was just going around in circles, there was constant legal threats from IPS Lawyers (they represented a certain agent) and threats like one letter that promised "to warm things up with a little fire" all of which started to affect my family/professional life (the "journalism" was only ever a part time thing and was fun as I used to find out transfer stories etc pre-venky's") so I walked away from it all and it is was the best decision I have made.

Looking back, again you are right, a lot of people have made money at the club's expense.  There have been people who managed to get involved in the club's decision making process, who were about self interest and did not have the club's best interests at heart, millions have been wasted.  People say Venky's were naive, I do not believe that, they continued to trust those people when it was blatently obvious that they advice that they were giving was harming the club and costing a fortune and they refused to listen to people offering them sensible advice.

Some attention does need to be turned onto the Walker Trust, they have played a part in this, they were so desperate to sell and did not do any due diligence on perspective owners which why people like Ahsan Ali Syed (who ended up bankrupting Racing Santandar), Saurin Shah and then ultimately Venkys.  They have got off relatively scot-free but they do need to acknowledge the part that they have played in the destructions of Jack's Legacy.

Very honest reply.

Thanks.

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1 hour ago, Kamy100 said:

Some attention does need to be turned onto the Walker Trust, they have played a part in this, they were so desperate to sell and did not do any due diligence on perspective owners which why people like Ahsan Ali Syed (who ended up bankrupting Racing Santandar), Saurin Shah and then ultimately Venkys.  They have got off relatively scot-free but they do need to acknowledge the part that they have played in the destructions of Jack's Legacy.

Do the Walker's family even care about Jack's legacy now? 

Doesn't Jack Walker's daughter still live local and married to Richard Matthewman?

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38 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Completely agree - and it's happening again now as far as I can see, but is that not almost the definition of "naivety"?

I suppose it is, but they do it willingly and with eyes wide open from previous stings. 

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They either don't learn or they don't care.

 

Naiivety to me is a lack of experience leading to poor decision-making.

This is poor decision-making and an almost complete lack of oversight. Seems like an attitude of "don't bring me your problems, just tell me when it's sorted."

It's difficult to imagine a worse set of owners. Ken Richardson, George Reynolds maybe. But that was Donny and Darlo. You're talking about Blackburn Rovers here, "to be handled with care".

So, thank you very much Walker Trust, you've done Jack proud. Passed us on to very capable hands. Totally bang-up copaceptic job. Well done, lads.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/263947.stm

https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/18736405.former-darlington-fc-chairman-george-reynolds-go-trial-next-year/

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4 hours ago, Paul Mani said:

I wouldn’t want Alex Neil. He only did well with the players he inherited. Has actually had more cash to spend than most other PNE managers and lost some players at Christmas but made their record signing too!

His signings have been as piss poor as his tactics. Next.

Isnt their record signing still David Healy? I am guessing that their new record signing is Whiteman who you are particularly transfixed with at the moment but there was no mention of him breaking their transfer record when he signed.

Him having more money than previous PNE managers is irrelevant, what is relevant is that his budget compared to the vast majority of teams in the league has been incredibly small, so a top 6 finish was always less realistic.

Neil has done more in the Championship than Mowbray with less money, always finishing above him and being far more competitive in being within the top 6 a few times. Things have gotten stale in the last year coinciding with a number of players having contractual issues and to clarify, this should in no way be a valid reason for appointing a manager therefore Neil wouldnt be more choice but he would be a notable upgrade on Mowbray.

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3 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Completely agree - and it's happening again now as far as I can see, but is that not almost the definition of "naivety"?

That they did it once is naive. That they keep repeating the same mistakes is insanity 🤔

As to why they don't learn - i can only assume they have had positive experiences in their other businesses/ventures.

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The invites question is why do they refuse to sell us, what are they getting out of owning us? 

They're no bloody good at it, it's costing them a fortune, there's no benefit, so why hang around

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3 minutes ago, broadsword said:

The invites question is why do they refuse to sell us, what are they getting out of owning us?

The original reason was for Venkys to increase their corporate image and brands globally.

I suspect the updated reason is to give Balaji's son something to play with at a later date.

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4 minutes ago, Meesh said:

The original reason was for Venkys to increase their corporate image and brands globally.

I suspect the updated reason is to give Balaji's son something to play with at a later date.

Not sure how much fun you can have playing with a smouldering train wreck, but hey-ho.

If that's the case, I'll be popping my clogs seeing my precious club handed onto the spawn of a brain-dead walrus.

Fab.

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35 minutes ago, broadsword said:

The invites question is why do they refuse to sell us, what are they getting out of owning us? 

They're no bloody good at it, it's costing them a fortune, there's no benefit, so why hang around

Save face. Simple as 

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20 minutes ago, Meesh said:

The original reason was for Venkys to increase their corporate image and brands globally.

I suspect the updated reason is to give Balaji's son something to play with at a later date.

Would selling us mean that 150 millions would evaporate from their balance sheet?

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11 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

Save face. Simple as 

Can't buy this, sorry. Hardly anyone knows who we are in India, they don't live in the UK, they could just get rid of us on the qt, without too much damage being done

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16 minutes ago, broadsword said:

Can't buy this, sorry. Hardly anyone knows who we are in India, they don't live in the UK, they could just get rid of us on the qt, without too much damage being done

Of course those in their business circles in India know about us. 

What other reason is there? 

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4 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Do the Walker's family even care about Jack's legacy now? 

Doesn't Jack Walker's daughter still live local and married to Richard Matthewman?

They sold up and went to live in Monaco a few years ago.

Don't think there are many, if any, ties between the Walker family and Blackburn these days. 

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5 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

Of course those in their business circles in India know about us. 

What other reason is there? 

They were playing about in the rubber chicken laboratory, and Barry Venky stuck his bonce in the irradiation machine for a laugh?

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3 hours ago, broadsword said:

The invites question is why do they refuse to sell us, what are they getting out of owning us? 

They're no bloody good at it, it's costing them a fortune, there's no benefit, so why hang around

Some £200 Million to see the Club relegated twice...It beggars belief.

These people must simply have money to burn but to most 'normal folk' it is pure negligence.

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4 hours ago, broadsword said:

Not sure how much fun you can have playing with a smouldering train wreck, but hey-ho.

If that's the case, I'll be popping my clogs seeing my precious club handed onto the spawn of a brain-dead walrus.

Fab.

If Balaji’s son payed attention to results or (wishing for the stars here) perhaps even attended the odd game now and then - it would be infinitely better than now.

Right now we’re like the forgotten toys in Toy Story, up on the dusty shelf with Wheezy the squeaky penguin.

I hate that a football club can be ‘owned’ in this way. This is the shit side of capitalism. The ownership of historic community institutions should be far better regulated than this. We have no God given right to be successful on the pitch anymore than any other club, but I hate that the ownership of these old clubs like ours - the clubs that actually invented the world’s most popular sport - is at the complete mercy of distant and unfathomably disinterested shysters. 

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1 minute ago, RoverInverness said:

If Balaji’s son payed attention to results or (wishing for the stars here) perhaps even attended the odd game now and then - it would be infinitely better than now.

Right now we’re like the forgotten toys in Toy Story, up on the dusty shelf with Wheezy the squeaky penguin.

I hate that a football club can be ‘owned’ in this way. This is the shit side of capitalism. The ownership of historic community institutions should be far better regulated than this. We have no God given right to be successful on the pitch anymore than any other club, but I hate that the ownership of these old clubs like ours - the clubs that actually invented the world’s most popular sport - is at the complete mercy of distant and unfathomably disinterested shysters. 

Yeah, I'm with you all the way there. It makes me sick. 

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