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8 hours ago, 47er said:

Love this latest guff from Mowbray!

And what is important is that the Club has to "develop an identity".

Utter self-serving shite aimed at the owners Tony!

Just how low can you sink?

 

Someone tell this bloody oaf Mowbray that we have had a very famous identity from long before he was even born. 

Were the famous Blackburn Rovers !

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The only thing that stats and expected goals show is that Muddled Mowbray, excluding other issues, signed the wrong players to play a possesion based games. Clearly a simple counter attacking game would suit us better. 

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2 hours ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

The only thing that stats and expected goals show is that Muddled Mowbray, excluding other issues, signed the wrong players to play a possesion based games. Clearly a simple counter attacking game would suit us better. 

At this level that simple style of play would suit most teams.

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Oh TM - stands for Total Mess these days - this identity stuff to justify his position is cringe worthy. I do wonder how low the guy can go. 

The problem is like most of his statements it misses out a key element - that being this happens above the manager and doesn't prevent the manager from leaving. One example Swansea when they were under the old ownership - they had a number of managers go but always kept within the same passing style. Same with Brentford. Even with the excuses he makes to justify his position it doesn't work. The manager is not unchallengeable or unchangeable. 

Also the hire and fire guff is also massively challengeable and a load of lies. We've had him as manager for over 4 years. The alternative to him going is not a hire and fire approach - it's a false dichotomy. 

What I hate most about TM off the pitch is his manipulation of reality to protect himself. I really hope he leaves but sadly think he is bullet proof. 

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30 minutes ago, Blue blood said:

Oh TM - stands for Total Mess these days - this identity stuff to justify his position is cringe worthy. I do wonder how low the guy can go. 

The problem is like most of his statements it misses out a key element - that being this happens above the manager and doesn't prevent the manager from leaving. One example Swansea when they were under the old ownership - they had a number of managers go but always kept within the same passing style. Same with Brentford. Even with the excuses he makes to justify his position it doesn't work. The manager is not unchallengeable or unchangeable. 

Also the hire and fire guff is also massively challengeable and a load of lies. We've had him as manager for over 4 years. The alternative to him going is not a hire and fire approach - it's a false dichotomy. 

What I hate most about TM off the pitch is his manipulation of reality to protect himself. I really hope he leaves but sadly think he is bullet proof. 

And the manipulation of a certain set of fans who lap it up.

Maybe this is why they are looking to free us from the contradiction that is Brockhall.

Our “club identity” is being made out to be as a working-class, terraced-house, cobbled-street town with an earthy, man-of-the-people, avuncular manager steering us to calmer waters following the post-industrial-revolution bust. Imagine having to drive out to the Ribble Valley every day and be reminded of your hypocrisy!

The Pride of Lancashire, eh?

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2 hours ago, Blue blood said:

Oh TM - stands for Total Mess these days - this identity stuff to justify his position is cringe worthy. I do wonder how low the guy can go. 

The problem is like most of his statements it misses out a key element - that being this happens above the manager and doesn't prevent the manager from leaving. One example Swansea when they were under the old ownership - they had a number of managers go but always kept within the same passing style. Same with Brentford. Even with the excuses he makes to justify his position it doesn't work. The manager is not unchallengeable or unchangeable. 

Also the hire and fire guff is also massively challengeable and a load of lies. We've had him as manager for over 4 years. The alternative to him going is not a hire and fire approach - it's a false dichotomy. 

What I hate most about TM off the pitch is his manipulation of reality to protect himself. I really hope he leaves but sadly think he is bullet proof. 

Our identity is 'easy to beat' 

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in`e thoroughly expecting mowbray,through his telegraph and facebook groupies,to try and spin out that the season has in fact been a success,despite challenging times everyone in the club is united and our journey continues,they`ll also be mentions of blackburn not being able to compete with the behemoths of barnsley and brentford and we should be grateful that tony is here

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Just watched the interview with Travis from after the game on Friday and you can already see in the questions asked that it is all about moving on to next season now.

Fair enough I don't expect Yardley to ask a player if the manager should be sacked but the way the questions are slanted is just so obvious they are planning, expecting, hoping that this season can be swept under the carpet and repeat again next season.

All the talk about this season being a frustrating one and looking to get ready for next season to 'put it right'. 

It's just absolute rubbish, but I can see this is the way that Mowbray and his gang are going to spin this from here, and I just hope people don't buy it or lap it up.

I can guarantee that the dust will settle and people will soon forget about the performances and tail spin and relegation scrap we've ended up being dragged into and it will all be about injuries, excuses and move on to next season with a clean slate.

Only it won't be a clean slate. It will be the same manager, same assistant, same coaches, none of whom are good enough for the level needed to drag a club upwards and higher. Mowbray will never change because he's been doing this for 15 years as a manager and even if he knew how to change he wouldn't because it would go against his principles.

He doesn't deserve longer in the job. Someone else deserves the opportunity to change it. What has happened has happened. It should not be forgotten as soon as the season ends. There has to be an inquest which should already have started. 

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21 minutes ago, JHRover said:

I can guarantee that the dust will settle and people will soon forget about the performances and tail spin and relegation scrap we've ended up being dragged into and it will all be about injuries, excuses and move on to next season with a clean slate.

How can you forget the results or we were almost involved in a relegation scrap despite Mowbray being backed financially over the last 3 years in terms of transfer fees and wages plus no sales of our key players within those 3 years. 

Why was Mowbray allowed to sign an injury prone player as his major defensive signing this season? why wasn't this questioned by the owners, Pasha, Waggott or Slivester? or was it but Mowbray assured them that he would sort out his injuries out and he would be massive player for us?

22 minutes ago, JHRover said:

He doesn't deserve longer in the job. Someone else deserves the opportunity to change it. What has happened has happened. It should not be forgotten as soon as the season ends. There has to be an inquest which should already have started. 

Yes you are right, Mowbray shouldn't be our manager anymore and he should be replace. 

I'm hoping that Pasha has already started the inquest at the club and why things need to be change at the club with Waggott, Mowbray and Venus being sack. 

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2 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Why was Mowbray allowed to sign an injury prone player as his major defensive signing this season? why wasn't this questioned by the owners, Pasha, Waggott or Slivester? 

You never questioned it...in fact you supported Mowbray in his excellent transfer window. I remember. 

I like how you change history without a care in the world.

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If Mowbray's latest death spiral is over (a big if I know), and with the 4 games left against teams who also have nothing to play for or are relegation fodder, it isn't inconceivable that Rovers could end up with 60 points. 

That equates to Mowbray's 1W 1D 1L Championship form average. He'll be happy with that but it completely glosses over the abjectness of 2021.

What would have happened if Rovers had 8 points from the first 16 games? Would Venkys have potted Mowbray and staff?

What would the prevailing mood be if the season was reversed? A terrible start, Mowbray staying, then playoff form for the second half of the season? I don't have social media accounts, so only see what gets shared on here but I'd wager that there would be lots of talk of promotion next season and give Mowbray a contract extension to build on the strong finish.

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7 hours ago, speeeeeeedie said:

What would the prevailing mood be if the season was reversed? A terrible start, Mowbray staying, then playoff form for the second half of the season? I don't have social media accounts, so only see what gets shared on here but I'd wager that there would be lots of talk of promotion next season and give Mowbray a contract extension to build on the strong finish.

Won't even take that. A couple of wins at the end of the season and a couple of current 23s doing half ok in nothing games, the happy clappers will be regenerated and the hard ons for the transfer window will sprout up.  What do they call the groundhog day's groundhog day?

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12 minutes ago, Sparks Rover said:

Won't even take that. A couple of wins at the end of the season and a couple of current 23s doing half ok in nothing games, the happy clappers will be regenerated and the hard ons for the transfer window will sprout up.  What do they call the groundhog day's groundhog day?

Self-incest?

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If he's still here next season, the consequences will be profound.

However spun, a large number of supporters won't buy it.

The attendance figures will be embarrassing and Ewood will be more like a morgue.

Relegation would be a near certainty.

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8 hours ago, 47er said:

If he's still here next season, the consequences will be profound.

However spun, a large number of supporters won't buy it.

The attendance figures will be embarrassing and Ewood will be more like a morgue.

Relegation would be a near certainty.

Agree it's a certainty for a few reasons 

1) We couldn't survive another death spiral like that. No Rotherham or Wednesday situation to bail us out.

2) We will need to replace Armstrong and Elliott our best two attacking players. TM doesn't have a good record of signing strikers. 

3) I fear a Coyle type situation where significant transfers are only sanctioned after outgoings have happened leaving us playing catch up. 

4) The defence needs major work. Nayambe could be off. We lose our loan centre backs, Warton won't be fit for a while, Williams needs replacing, and Ayala who knows? That's a lot of surgery needed assuming that Pickering is any good. 

5) TM won't back down from this possession football guff which has cost us time and time again. It's not working but he is obsessed with it even when it doesn't work. 

6) TM didn't know his best team this season. How he will know if when we have a raft of new players I have no idea. Other than the start of last season I can't really remember a settled team since the early days. 

Relegation next year looks a cert with TM.

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1 hour ago, Blue blood said:

Agree it's a certainty for a few reasons 

1) We couldn't survive another death spiral like that. No Rotherham or Wednesday situation to bail us out.

2) We will need to replace Armstrong and Elliott our best two attacking players. TM doesn't have a good record of signing strikers. 

3) I fear a Coyle type situation where significant transfers are only sanctioned after outgoings have happened leaving us playing catch up. 

4) The defence needs major work. Nayambe could be off. We lose our loan centre backs, Warton won't be fit for a while, Williams needs replacing, and Ayala who knows? That's a lot of surgery needed assuming that Pickering is any good. 

5) TM won't back down from this possession football guff which has cost us time and time again. It's not working but he is obsessed with it even when it doesn't work. 

6) TM didn't know his best team this season. How he will know if when we have a raft of new players I have no idea. Other than the start of last season I can't really remember a settled team since the early days. 

Relegation next year looks a cert with TM.

I don’t think he’s ever known his best team.

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The flannel has started again, not having this fabled 100 million doesn't mean we should be so so far away from it every season. Also he's had several death spirals here and not been sacked so if someone else takes over why should they be unless we are starring relegation in the face ?

That's something that has been a real threat the second half of this season. If it wasn't for the points gained in a few spectacular early wins before his system got sussed that's exactly where we'd be. Stick that up your identity !

Parachute money has always given well run and managed clubs in this league an edge of the others. That didn't start in the last few years just to throw a spanner in his works, it's always been that way. Just means others with decent means - like us - have to be more organized, work harder EVERY game, be very astute with signings and the main thing, be better managed.  That's what gives you a chance otherwise why bother.

He's set to ramp it up in the coming weeks with more bluff and bluster as he carries on without a care in the world. Then he'll be hoisting the white flag again by December.

Why is he even making these comments anyway - unchallenged as usual. He doesn't look at the table and doesn't care about the team as long as he thinks individuals are performing and developing. He told us so just last week.

Just #### OFF !

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The thing that is making a mockery of his identity and slow build drivel is the fact that most of his squad are out of contract in a few weeks. 

So there is no build or identity. Its a hand to mouth existence of recycling players and assembling a squad on the cheap.

Whatever identity he desires will have to be rebuilt over the summer in recruitment and coaching. Presumably this will take months or years to take effect and we will need Mowbray to lead us on that journey. No thanks.

He knows he can't point to progress on the squad or the usual claim of we are a couple of defenders or key signings short of being the finished article- we need more than half a squad- so instead he is trying to play down the scale of the impending exodus.

Like a worm on a hook and I pity anyone who still has genuine belief in where this is going.

They're more bothered about protecting St Tony and his staff than what is best for this football club. 

 

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