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On 20/10/2021 at 21:11, CrouchingNunhiddenCucumber said:

I believe the tide is turning on social media. In fairness I don't do Facebook, but on Instagram there are more and more comments of "Mowbray out" and "I'll buy a ticket one Mowbray goes" etc than I've ever seen before. I know it matters not a fuck on whether he'll actually leave, but it's heartening to see more and more fans who can see him for what he is. 

All I see is Chilean flags and chillies

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Wow, didn't really think he was under much pressure but changed my mind after that press conference.

Having a pop at the fans, dismissing the shitty record over the last year and stubbornly stating he will carry on messing about with formations/tactics to stop the opposition rather than play to our teams strength. 

It's quite right for the journalists to ask these questions, he just seems to get really defensive about it all and get condescending. We the fans want to know what the plan is, just surviving the season and selling our best players in January isn't a formula for any sort of success.

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14 minutes ago, roverblue said:

Wow, didn't really think he was under much pressure but changed my mind after that press conference.

Having a pop at the fans, dismissing the shitty record over the last year and stubbornly stating he will carry on messing about with formations/tactics to stop the opposition rather than play to our teams strength. 

It's quite right for the journalists to ask these questions, he just seems to get really defensive about it all and get condescending. We the fans want to know what the plan is, just surviving the season and selling our best players in January isn't a formula for any sort of success.

Sounds interesting...Did some journos finally ask some proper questions?

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It's all this journey crap he keeps spouting it's becoming offensive now. All we see is the club going slowly backwards.

He needs to shut his trap about it or needs calling out on it properly once and for all. The man is the king of driving down blind alleys and telling everyone trying to convince everyone it's a freeway.

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""That's OK, fans are the fans and I respect them. "

 

Oh, really. 900 of them going down to West London on a cold October night, and he doesn't even acknowledge them at teh final whistle, just scoots off.

I'll be honest with you -- I can't stand the man.

 

""They invest at least £20 million a year"

Plugging a black hole of your own making isn't an investment. When you invest money, you do so with the intention of seeing a return. The man is absolute full of it.

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1 hour ago, roverblue said:

Wow, didn't really think he was under much pressure but changed my mind after that press conference.

Reading between the lines, IMO he's lost the direct line into Pune, knows they were looking into replacements at the back end of last season (clearly that failed), and suspects he's on the way out at the end of the season. 

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1 hour ago, roverblue said:

Wow, didn't really think he was under much pressure but changed my mind after that press conference.

Totally agreed and he should be under pressure in my opinion now. 

2 hours ago, JHRover said:

Passion and enthusiasm only gets you so far in this game.

Plus just by being from the town doesn't automatically mean he would be any more passionate than anyone else about the job. I'd hope there was more going into the search than appointing someone because they are passionate or enthusiastic about it. I'd qualify on that basis.

I just find the obsession with him bizarre. We should ignore his Blackburn connections and focus purely on his CV. Close to 10 years at Wycombe Wanderers, 9 spent in Leagues One and Two. Plenty of other options in that category.

Not the worst contender and he's done well there but by no means a stand out candidate - there are many lower division managers who have overachieved or done well - Gary Johnson did it with Yeovil -  maybe there's a reason why no bigger club has taken him on.

Didn't Bristol City take Gary Johnson on? 

I find people's obsessions with Hughton or McCarthy or Roy Keane totally bizarre. 

Rovers need a manager with fresh ideas, tactical aware, can sort the defence out and motivate these players to out perform the opposition. Steve Cooper is achachieving that at Forest

3 hours ago, Gavlar Somerset Rover! said:

I had an exchange with Jaquob Crooke on Twitter this morning as I sensed from the piece that Mowbray was very defensive. He said that Mowbray didn't like the questions at all. Good.

Here's the article. 

Yes I heard from Jaquob tonight. I get the feeling he is under pressure from the owners. He knows the club tried to find a replacement and failed with those discussions. But I think he was surprised he was still in the job come pre season. Expect the club will review his position shortly. 

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39 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Totally agreed and he should be under pressure in my opinion now. 

Didn't Bristol City take Gary Johnson on? 

I find people's obsessions with Hughton or McCarthy or Roy Keane totally bizarre. 

Rovers need a manager with fresh ideas, tactical aware, can sort the defence out and motivate these players to out perform the opposition. Steve Cooper is achachieving that at Forest

Yes I heard from Jaquob tonight. I get the feeling he is under pressure from the owners. He knows the club tried to find a replacement and failed with those discussions. But I think he was surprised he was still in the job come pre season. Expect the club will review his position shortly. 

Will they review his position shortly though?

I think it is his last season here but don't see him leaving  until his contract is up.

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Quote TM on question do you want to stay ".......I think those conversations are to be had when time's more appropriate...."

We are sliding down the league Tony so the players need to respect you as a demanding football manager.

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42 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Totally agreed and he should be under pressure in my opinion now. 

Didn't Bristol City take Gary Johnson on? 

I find people's obsessions with Hughton or McCarthy or Roy Keane totally bizarre. 

Rovers need a manager with fresh ideas, tactical aware, can sort the defence out and motivate these players to out perform the opposition. Steve Cooper is achachieving that at Forest

Yes I heard from Jaquob tonight. I get the feeling he is under pressure from the owners. He knows the club tried to find a replacement and failed with those discussions. But I think he was surprised he was still in the job come pre season. Expect the club will review his position shortly. 

As I recall it Bristol City appointed Gary Johnson whilst in League One. He did a good job for a while, got them to the Championship but was then sacked.

Later on in his career he returned to Yeovil and performed a miracle in getting them to the Championship but they were relegaed after 1 season. He hasn't been back and has since managed Cheltenham and Torquay in League Two/Conference.

The point being that there are many, many examples of League One and Two managers who have done well at small clubs with low expectations but haven't ever moved up and succeeded in the top two divisions. Maybe Ainsworth will one day but surely if he was such a good option then a club bigger than Wycombe would have made a move for him by now?

I'm still waiting to hear what sets him aside from say John Coleman, Ryan Lowe, Darrell Clarke, Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink, Nigel  Clough, Michael Appleton or Karl Robinson - all of whom have very impressive records at small clubs in the lower leagues but not above. Just because Ainsworth was born in Blackburn? Is that really the sum total of analysis?

In the last 10 years or so Hughton has won automatic promotion twice to the Premier League as well as had two play-off campaigns. He also kept Norwich and Brighton in the Premier League.

Mick McCarthy had Wolves in the Premier League, Ipswich challenging for the play-offs, managed Ireland and rapidly turned Cardiff around. Even now his record at Cardiff is better than Mowbray's here in the Championship.

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Just watched that Mowbray interview through and I'm surprised at how forlorn and beaten he looks. Talk about looking and sounding totally fed up. He appears to be a beaten man. He's been similar to this before and bounced back from it but this time he looks worse.

I almost feel sorry for him, but then I remember that he has been very well paid for the last 5 years and could walk away to a cushy lifestyle any time he wants if this is too much for him, but no he would prefer to hang on.

Mowbray's time was up 18 months ago IMO and it is hard to get past that, but the lowlife that are above him in the chain of command have left him out to dry. He should have been potted and replaced many months ago and the club able to move forward, but instead the cowards have just left us to rot.

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6 hours ago, booth said:

What we need is the best man for the job whether he’s young, old or unemployed. Sadly venkys are still employing our managers in the same way they do their factories. They clearly don’t see the manager as important as it should be.

If they understood football in any way they’d be spending a big fee on investing in the best option, not the easiest.

All they need to do is have a look at Jack Walkers successes and failures. The training manual is there if they’d just show some interest.

 

I agree, but with the best will in the World, we would now struggle to bring in someone from the top draw.

Ainsworth is realistic and would be a good fit.

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54 minutes ago, islander200 said:

Will they review his position shortly though?

I think it is his last season here but don't see him leaving  until his contract is up.

Fans will voiced their opinion and if we play poorly tomorrow and get beat I would the fans to turn on him. 

I would expect. I said i think they sack him around the November international football break. I stick with that opinion

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36 minutes ago, JHRover said:

Maybe Ainsworth will one day but surely if he was such a good option then a club bigger than Wycombe would have made a move for him by now?

Maybe he waiting for the right Club to go for him?

36 minutes ago, JHRover said:

I'm still waiting to hear what sets him aside from say John Coleman, Ryan Lowe, Darrell Clarke, Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink, Nigel  Clough, Michael Appleton or Karl Robinson - all of whom have very impressive records at small clubs in the lower leagues but not above. Just because Ainsworth was born in Blackburn? Is that really the sum total of analysis?

Already explained why Ainsworth should be an option/choice for us as other people like @martonroverhas. I also said people like Alex Neil, Neil Critchley, Ryan Lowe and Chris Wilder should be on the shortlist. Cooper was the one I really wanted to be honest

36 minutes ago, JHRover said:

In the last 10 years or so Hughton has won automatic promotion twice to the Premier League as well as had two play-off campaigns. He also kept Norwich and Brighton in the Premier League.

Mick McCarthy had Wolves in the Premier League, Ipswich challenging for the play-offs, managed Ireland and rapidly turned Cardiff around. Even now his record at Cardiff is better than Mowbray's here in the Championship.

Hughton just been sacked by Forest. No plan B and not tactical aware or motivator we need. Look at the difference Steve Cooper has made there in 5 games with 13 points. Has a Plan B and had motivated the players there with his coaching and man management. That's is what we need here. A manager on the up, fresh ideas, tactical aware, sort the defence out and motivator. 

What's his Cardiff record this season under McCarthy? What's his plan b? 

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2 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

 

 

Oh dear... Did I just decipher that interview as, "Please sack me, I don't want to play this game any more and I want paying off?"

Imagine owning a football club and being happy to allow that to manage the staff you pay handsomely every week.

It's as if he completely begrudges having to put any effort in. I imagine he doesn't begrudge his massive wage packet though.

There's no way that man has any ambition for the club at all, which would explain a lot. He could not give two f***s.

He actually looks and sounds like a man doing community service and he can't wait to get home.

Get out of the club you charlatan.

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15 minutes ago, martonrover said:

I agree, but with the best will in the World, we would now struggle to bring in someone from the top draw.

Ainsworth is realistic and would be a good fit.

Money talks, but the penny hasn't dropped with Venkys that they have to invest in buying a manager like they would a quality player. It all starts with the manager. Jack knew that.

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I don't think the average age of a squad is really correlated to league position. 

Teams with the oldest average age of players used so far in the division:

Sheff Utd (27.6) - 17th
Birmingham (27.4) - 19th
Millwall (27.3) - 11th
WBA (27) - 3rd
Derby (26.8) - 24th
Fulham (26.8) - 2nd

Teams with the yougest average squad age in the division:

Barnsley (23.1) - 23rd
Rovers (23.7) - 13th
Bournemouth (24.2) - 1st
Hull (24.6) - 22nd
Forest (25) - 14th
Swansea (25) - 15th

Even if you take out the recently relegated PL teams and Derby's points deduction I don't think there's going to be a particularly strong correlation between average age of the squad and league position. In fact I'd posit that it's very weak, even moreso when you take into account that the minimum is 23.1 and the maximum is 27.6. We aren't talking a very large variance there as far as the average is concerned. 

I can't be bothered to do a regression against the data but I am fairly sure it would not yield a statistically relevent correlation. I think it's just an easy excuse for him to make. 

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2 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

 

 

Would have sacked Mowbray on the weakness of that interview alone.

IMO, conforms what a turgid and uninspirational bloke he is.

Three games a week he said - another misleading statement I think.  Playing on a Tuesday or Wednesday followed by Saturday is two games a week unless my abacus isn't working!

 

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