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I think whether he stays or go will be conditional on his performance in the next 3 matches. 

There’s about 7-9 clubs vying for the last 2 playoff spots atm. We could easily find ourselves in one of those spots by the time the international break comes around. We’re facing bottom of the league Derby and an underperform Sheff Utd at home. 

It would be outrageous to sack him when we have the 4th best GD in the league and 1 point away from top 6.

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“As I found out in the press conference on Friday, the questions start coming if you don’t win, there’s four you haven’t won in, and people aren’t bothered about the circumstances.. 

Tony tony tony, you won two in seventeen last yr and didn't get a raised eyebrow in your press conferences, let alone a difficult question. 

He's f%cking precious isn't he, another reason he couldn't cope at the top level. 

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1 hour ago, Miker said:

I think whether he stays or go will be conditional on his performance in the next 3 matches. 

There’s about 7-9 clubs vying for the last 2 playoff spots atm. We could easily find ourselves in one of those spots by the time the international break comes around. We’re facing bottom of the league Derby and an underperform Sheff Utd at home. 

It would be outrageous to sack him when we have the 4th best GD in the league and 1 point away from top 6.

Don't think he'll go this season unless we're in imminent danger of going down.

SHOULD he be sacked tomorrow? Hell yeah.

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1 hour ago, CrouchingNunhiddenCucumber said:

Surely Venkys won't make a, on the face of it,  potentially incredibly positive decision to sack Mowbray and employ Wilder? 

It's more likely they would line up such a move and then pull the plug in favour of a cheaper, much worse option instead.

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Id love to see that smoggy bozo sacked more than most but I’m just not buying this gone in November stuff. Doesn’t make any sense. If thinking of sacking him then now is the best time with better managers in McCarthy, Bruce and wilder available (I don’t see why we couldn’t get any of those as they’re not getting prem jobs any time soon). If wait for a random international break in November who’s to say anyone will be available then.

Plus from the owners point of view they were happy bumbling around lower mid table last season and the 2 seasons before that, and we’re bumbling around mid table now. We’ve gone on worse death spirals in ever other season than what we’ve managed this season. Compensation isn’t going to change one iota from now to next month. So what’s changed to make them want to sack him now.

My prediction is we’ll bumble to another boring pointless lower mid table finish. His contract will run down to a few weeks left then they’ll think who cares give him another one. 

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1 hour ago, arbitro said:

He is as likely to get a new deal as get sacked. We have irrational, ignorant, illogical and unpredictable owners who don't have a clue.

Like I say I don't think either will happen unless we're in imminent danger of going down.

Would that be my personal choice? No but there you are. 

By the end of the season Mowbray will most likely have burnt his way through roughly £100 m of Venky's money to not even finish in the play offs once.

If people think that's an acceptable return, and seemingly some on here think it is, I despair.

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1 hour ago, islander200 said:

He isnt getting sacked imo

We all have our opinions on Mowbray. Yesterday he picked a formation that's suits the 11 he picked. Where against QPR he tried to be too clever tactical instead of keeping it simple. 

Mowbray need to keep it simple and not look to over complicated the tactics or team selection. But we know he won't do this. 

We can make playoffs this season and add a couple of quality signings in January..

2 hours ago, TruRover said:

On top of this there’s been mentions of wilder attending our last couple of games. 

Didn't know that. 

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1 hour ago, matt83 said:

If thinking of sacking him then now is the best time with better managers in McCarthy, Bruce and wilder available 

Bruce will want a break and unlikely to return to football management anytime soon after his Newcastle experience 

Why McCarthy? Just sacked by Cardiff after 8 defeats and had no answers to stop the rot. No Plan B. 

If we are replacing Mowbray surely we need a manager who is on the up with fresh ideas, tactical aware, Motivator, etc

 

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1 minute ago, chaddyrovers said:

Bruce will want a break and unlikely to return to football management anytime soon after his Newcastle experience 

Why McCarthy? Just sacked by Cardiff after 8 defeats and had no answers to stop the rot. No Plan B. 

If we are replacing Mowbray surely we need a manager who is on the up with fresh ideas, tactical aware, Motivator, etc

 

Because he’s an improvement on Mowbray. Will people be running down to ewood because of him no but is he better than 100% yes. He may not have a plan B but moggadon doesn’t even have a plan A after 5 years. 

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30 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Like I say I don't think either will happen unless we're in imminent danger of going down.

Would that be my personal choice? No but there you are. 

By the end of the season Mowbray will most likely have burnt his way through roughly £100 m of Venky's money to not even finish in the play offs once.

If people think that's an acceptable return, and seemingly some on here think it is, I despair.

And yet our owners clearly think it is if they keep him until the end of the season.

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6 minutes ago, matt83 said:

Because he’s an improvement on Mowbray. Will people be running down to ewood because of him no but is he better than 100% yes. He may not have a plan B but moggadon doesn’t even have a plan A after 5 years. 

He seen Plan A yesterday in 4-3-3. 

McCarthy isn't any improvement on Mowbray. He is yesterday man. 

Didn't we hammered his Cardiff team 5-1 recently? McCarthy had no idea how to stop us. 

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52 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

He seen Plan A yesterday in 4-3-3. 

McCarthy isn't any improvement on Mowbray. He is yesterday man. 

Didn't we hammered his Cardiff team 5-1 recently? McCarthy had no idea how to stop us. 

We still don’t have a plan A though. It was 4-3-3 yesterday (seems to be people’s favoured formation) but it was 3-5-2 on Tuesday and could be something totally different vs derby. It’s just a series of random formations with random selections. Mowbray still has no clear idea of how he wants to play just a series of random ideas he has depending on the opposition so as such there’s no plan A. You could argue he has about 10 half baked plans none of which cohesively work consistently

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1 hour ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

I think McCarthy has had his day. There must be better options out there.

I think you're probably right. I have a lot of respect for Mick as a manager and how he generally goes about his business, but if I was recruiting it would be difficult to overlook him presiding over Cardiff's worst run in their entire history. I'd probably invite him in for an interview so that he could give his side of the story in regards to what happened, but I think the way it ended at Cardiff will have been a real hammerblow to his reputation. He's only 62 so in managerial terms he isn't ancient, and in fairness his record pre-2020 is still very good. It's just been a tough couple of years for him. He's someone I'd want to talk to if I was in charge of hiring a new manager, but I'd definitely need reassurances regarding what caused Cardiff's total and utter collapse under his watch.

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30 minutes ago, matt83 said:

We still don’t have a plan A though. It was 4-3-3 yesterday (seems to be people’s favoured formation) but it was 3-5-2 on Tuesday and could be something totally different vs derby. It’s just a series of random formations with random selections. Mowbray still has no clear idea of how he wants to play just a series of random ideas he has depending on the opposition so as such there’s no plan A. You could argue he has about 10 half baked plans none of which cohesively work consistently

Mowbray explained why he played 3 at the back in recent games. 

But 4-3-3 is our best formation and allow us to play our best 11 players in their correct positions. Look at we outplayed McCarthy's team that day in that formation. We were outstanding. 

McCarthy's management days are probably gone now. 

 

1 hour ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

I think McCarthy has had his day. There must be better options out there.

Did years ago tbh. 

Football has move on from the McCarthy and Hughton days of their peak. Look at Cooper at Forest and Swansea days or Ainsworth at Wycombe. 2 plans/formations. Good tactically and motivator 

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1 hour ago, Parsonblue said:

And yet our owners clearly think it is if they keep him until the end of the season.

Hmm...... if he was granted a new deal then maybe.

Perhaps the FFP mess Mowbray got us into ironically dictated a pragmatic approach of not incurring further expense by not paying him off unless it was absolutely necessary?

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4 hours ago, TruRover said:

On top of this there’s been mentions of wilder attending our last couple of games. 

I was at the Coventry game and I was convinced I saw Wilder in and around the directors lounge area. 
Said it to my brother who was with me but it didn’t make much sense to me why he’d be there, so just assumed it was his doppelgänger.

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1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

We all have our opinions on Mowbray. Yesterday he picked a formation that's suits the 11 he picked. Where against QPR he tried to be too clever tactical instead of keeping it simple. 

Mowbray need to keep it simple and not look to over complicated the tactics or team selection. But we know he won't do this. 

Spot on Chaddy. If he did this every game we would be a lot further up the league 

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21 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Hmm...... if he was granted a new deal then maybe.

Perhaps the FFP mess Mowbray got us into ironically dictated a pragmatic approach of not incurring further expense by not paying him off unless it was absolutely necessary?

Or they couldnt find someone to agree to take over due to not being able to spend a decent amount this summer and with our top scorer leaving.

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5 hours ago, Miker said:

I think whether he stays or go will be conditional on his performance in the next 3 matches. 

There’s about 7-9 clubs vying for the last 2 playoff spots atm. We could easily find ourselves in one of those spots by the time the international break comes around. We’re facing bottom of the league Derby and an underperform Sheff Utd at home. 

It would be outrageous to sack him when we have the 4th best GD in the league and 1 point away from top 6.

Derby won't be an easy game,the only reason they're bottom is because of the 12 point deduction.

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