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Just now, joey_big_nose said:

Compared to 16/17 hes definitely improved us in one area - midfield - but we are undoubtably weaker in defence, and strikers (despite spending 12m) we're arguably significantly worse. At least in the last Coyle season we had Emnes on loan who was streets ahead of Gallagher and Brereton, and Graham was younger. Plus Lucas Jao made an impact, and we had Gallagher on loan then too.

He's really made his mistakes in terms of poor transfers. All the decent ones have been attacking mids. Everyone else has been weak except Cunningham and he got injured.

He's only got himself to blame for poor prioritisation.

Also he tactically committed to wide striker system which just has not worked at all. We're scrambling to find an effective way to play.

All hall marks of a manager on limited time.

No arguing his limits as a manager, more that overall he has left us in a better position. From the defence side i really struggle to see how? Greer and Brown were absolutely torrid players. I would very much take Tosin, Nyambe, Lenihan, WIlliams in our defence any day of the week than Greer Brown Hoban Hendrie and so forth. 

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I’ll be honest and I feel bad saying it but I can’t enjoy that victory  He should be gone, he won’t be gone but that was abysmal 

I would far rather play abysmally and win than play brilliantly and lose.. I think. In retrospect I had much better things to do yesterday afternoon and should have left my Rovers engagement to l

This is my favourite quote from the article, of course you will move things around, you do it every bloody week, mostly for no reason at all!

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1 hour ago, roverstdt said:

A bit drastic for someone who took over from Coyle and has taken us to a far better position. I agree with a new voice, but to that level of anger is absolutely bamboozling 

I can only think you haven't been paying attention. Suit yourself, but be prepared to be embarrassed by that stance the more time goes on. Going nowhere good under Tony anymore I'm afraid.

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Just now, bluebruce said:

I can only think you haven't been paying attention. Suit yourself, but be prepared to be embarrassed by that stance the more time goes on. Going nowhere good under Tony anymore I'm afraid.

Oh I have mate, but are you telling me you would take Owen Coyle back any day over Mowbray? Are we last in the league? Are we in the relegation zone? Wishing upon a Steve Kean return? I think you will be embarrassed by your comments. I never said keep Mowbray, what i am saying is that you are massively overreaction and demonizing someone who has actually done a decent job for the club. 

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13 minutes ago, roverstdt said:

Really? So i assume you would rather have:

Gordon Greer, Henley, Wes Brown, Jason Lowe, Hoban, Hendrie, Ward, Feeney, Akpan, Guthrie,Joao all back in the squad? 

We have a stronger squad and are not in the relegation zone, and have a far more stable club...You are right though lets go back to the glory days of 2017

We are headed for relegation with a weaker defence. That's my comparison.

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Just now, MCMC1875 said:

We are headed for relegation with a weaker defence. That's my comparison.

That the beautiful think we heading doesn't guarantee anything we may stay up, like i can say "we are heading for promotion" there is no way even opinion can be proven contrary as we cannot predict the future. What i am saying today on the 22nd of November 2019 compare to 22nd of November 2016 are we in a better position as a club, with our squad and with our manager? Yes we are.

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41 minutes ago, roverstdt said:

If you want to give yourself a heart here is the squad he took over from: Now please don't tell me we are not in a better position...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016–17_Blackburn_Rovers_F.C._season

That's not a squad, that's a horror story! And pretty compelling. That's a nightmare of a squad.

Think my point is - or perhaps more clearly stated or ammended to - not so much we're not in a better position but that we've not improved that much given 5 windows and £15 million. The first choice keeper is still appalling, The defence is still threadbare - most bar the City lad are still the same as the ones who got relegated - and the squad is still very unbalanced. In fact I'd suggest the striker options that year are better than now. Most of all both squads have a horrible short termism to them with age and loan returns meaning there is no sustainability or momentum to them. 

Honestly that previous squad was a joke and utterly appalling. I'm not sure we could have a worse squad. But for us to be marginally better is not much of an achievement. Certainly given the time and money spent to have far too many similarities with this squad is a travesty. 

Yes there is improvement but not enough to write home about. In fact in the circumstances so little improvement is a sad indictment of TMs reign. 

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Just now, roverstdt said:

 

That the beautiful think we heading doesn't guarantee anything we may stay up, like i can say "we are heading for promotion" there is no way even opinion can be proven contrary as we cannot predict the future. What i am saying today on the 22nd of November 2019 compare to 22nd of November 2016 are we in a better position as a club, with our squad and with our manager? Yes we are.

Taking your point literally, in term of position in the league, we are slightly better off. But..

Is the football better ?

has the club invested well ?

Does the team appear to have an appetite for a battle ?

Is there a good team spirit ?

Is there a general positive feel about the club ?

Is the team progressing/growing/performing better ( compared to last season ) ?

Is the manager inspiring our crop of young players?

Is the club happy to rely on a loan goalkeeper when we sold a very good one last summer ?

I could go on. Saying we are in a far better position than when Mowbray arrived is really stretching it. ( Not entirely his fault though )

 

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49 minutes ago, roverstdt said:

 

That the beautiful think we heading doesn't guarantee anything we may stay up, like i can say "we are heading for promotion" there is no way even opinion can be proven contrary as we cannot predict the future. What i am saying today on the 22nd of November 2019 compare to 22nd of November 2016 are we in a better position as a club, with our squad and with our manager? Yes we are.

You're entitled to your opinion.

I disagree.

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The fact the comparison point right now is the lowest point in our recent history (purely in terms of squad, league position and manager) says it all about how things are going. 

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1 hour ago, roverstdt said:

No arguing his limits as a manager, more that overall he has left us in a better position. From the defence side i really struggle to see how? Greer and Brown were absolutely torrid players. I would very much take Tosin, Nyambe, Lenihan, WIlliams in our defence any day of the week than Greer Brown Hoban Hendrie and so forth. 

Thats not a fair comparison. Nyambe, Lenihan and Williams were in both squads, the main difference is Mulgrew out (pre his recent decline) and Adarabioyo in. Greer, Hoban, Brown and Hendrie were all shite to varying degrees were all squad players. Weve also added Bell, moved Bennett and added Walton so weve lost some shite back there and added some.

No doubt that overall the squad has improved but of course the main fact is that 15m worth of attackers have been added and none are worthy of being in the team.

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5 hours ago, roverstdt said:

Lower than getting relegated to League One? Lower than Steve Kean as manager? I think there are some short term memories. 

Relegation to League One was depressing, Steve Kean was pure hatred. This is as low as I've felt as we're going absolutely nowhere and it's been 9 yrs in the making. 

I think there are people who don't read properly. 

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Just now, CrouchingNunhiddenCucumber said:

Relegation to League One was depressing, Steve Kean was pure hatred. This is as low as I've felt as we're going absolutely nowhere and it's been 9 yrs in the making. 

I think there are people who don't read properly. 

Do read but still find it confusing how this can be as low as you felt, when the hatred I had for Kean took me lower followed by despair. 

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Just now, roverstdt said:

But I am confused i don't understand how we are worse? Would you rather the squad we had prior to Mowbray? 

Didn't say worse. We are in a similar position. Have you managed to visit Ewood yet?

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1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

Thats not a fair comparison. Nyambe, Lenihan and Williams were in both squads, the main difference is Mulgrew out (pre his recent decline) and Adarabioyo in. Greer, Hoban, Brown and Hendrie were all shite to varying degrees were all squad players. Weve also added Bell, moved Bennett and added Walton so weve lost some shite back there and added some.

No doubt that overall the squad has improved but of course the main fact is that 15m worth of attackers have been added and none are worthy of being in the team.

Not doubting that, I agree with you, I however, disagree with every fan who would say we were better off prior to Mowbray or that we are no better prior to Mowbray. Had we turn back time to the last 10 years i can think of far worse situations we have been in and considering the mess that Coyle left us, Mowbray's has overall been a positive. His time may have come to end soon, but to say this is the lowest and the most deflated fans has felt since the Venky's took over is a massive over statement. 

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Just now, roverstdt said:

Do read but still find it confusing how this can be as low as you felt, when the hatred I had for Kean took me lower followed by despair. 

"about as low" which means it's on a par with the Kean level but more it's more depression than anger.

Plus Kean was at the beginning, I'd hoped it would have been SO much better by now. 

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2 hours ago, Crimpshrine said:

Taking your point literally, in term of position in the league, we are slightly better off. But..

Is the football better ?

has the club invested well ?

Does the team appear to have an appetite for a battle ?

Is there a good team spirit ?

Is there a general positive feel about the club ?

Is the team progressing/growing/performing better ( compared to last season ) ?

Is the manager inspiring our crop of young players?

Is the club happy to rely on a loan goalkeeper when we sold a very good one last summer ?

I could go on. Saying we are in a far better position than when Mowbray arrived is really stretching it. ( Not entirely his fault though )

 

Happy to answer these. 

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Is the football better ? Since Owen Coyle? Yes absolutely, at least i see a team with desire and fight 

has the club invested well ? I think it is too early to say Dack yes, Gallagher could, Armstrong yes, Holtby Yes, so they have been some good signings other i will not and for the younger players they are yet to prove but who knows they may eventually catch up. 

Does the team appear to have an appetite for a battle ? Battle yes, just it is disorgansied and unbalanced to me. 

Is there a good team spirit ? Yes the team does play for each other.

Is there a general positive feel about the club ? No but has there ever been since Venky's took over? 

Is the team progressing/growing/performing better ( compared to last season ) ? Depends on where we finish at the end of the season. Not saying we should keep Mowbray i am saying we are in a better positon since he took over. 

Is the manager inspiring our crop of young players? He did originally, is he still? Debatable but once again I am not saying we should keep Mowbray i am defending the fact that people say we are worse off since he took over. 

Is the club happy to rely on a loan goalkeeper when we sold a very good one last summer ? How many fans wanted him gone at the same time? 

I could go on. Saying we are in a far better position than when Mowbray arrived is really stretching it. ( Not entirely his fault though )

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Just now, CrouchingNunhiddenCucumber said:

"about as low" which means it's on a par with the Kean level but more it's more depression than anger.

Plus Kean was at the beginning, I'd hoped it would have been SO much better by now. 

How? We have had 9 years of destruction from our owners? We are by no means in a position to be fighting for the Premier League. We can certainly build towards it for the future but we aren't even close to that. We have too many bridges to rebuild. 

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36 minutes ago, roverstdt said:

How? We have had 9 years of destruction from our owners? We are by no means in a position to be fighting for the Premier League. We can certainly build towards it for the future but we aren't even close to that. We have too many bridges to rebuild. 

Probably the hope more than anything. A lot of that hope stems from Tony spending £15m on two players that have been abject failures  when we're in this level of debt. And we're just supposed to be happy we're building for the future?

How many points are we behind where we were this time last year as well for fuck sake? A manager that plays players in their position would build bridges a lot quicker for me. 

Relevant to this thread what's your prediction for tomorrow? 

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I wouldn’t be surprised if we win tomorrow, they can’t be up to much if they’re rock bottom and without a win since the opening day.

And yet....I was much more confident against Charlton and Luton and they both stuck two past us each and walked away with three points without too much trouble. Barnsley must have noted that we’ve already lost at home to the two teams they came up with.

Pretty grim though that it’s only November, any hope of doing anything of note this season is long gone (if there was any hope at all) and we’re hoping for three points against Barnsley to keep a decent gap between ourselves and the bottom three. Bleak stuff.

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Lose this tomorrow and I see us going down unless there is a change in direction from above imo. Depression set in long ago with Rovers, fucking hoping we get a result at home against bottom of the table Barnsley just rubs the salt in. 

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