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So in the same post you criticise Starmer for doing something and defend Boris for it? 

You dismiss his lack of attention to detail as irrelevant (I mean that's some defense given there's a school of thought that you might want your leader to know something, especially in a pandemic...) 

It's a hell of a level of loyality @chaddyrovers

 

But here's my question to you - not that you have replied/engaged with any of my posts on morality - is when does the support stop? 

Seriously. I mean the above examples of unconditional support seem somewhat contradictory and hypocritic, but where would your support end? 

When the Tory Youth are beating up political opponents? 

When elections are abolished?

When people of certain groups are shipped off to special camps? 

Because that's the destination that unthinking, uncritical, unwavering support regardless of anything a party says or does will lead to. 

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Nothing to see here:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/oct/11/robert-jenrick-admits-approving-funds-for-town-in-jake-berrys-constituency

Apparently its ok for Robert Jenrick to approve millions in funding for Jake Berry's constituency of Rossendale and Darwen (most welcome though it is), then Jake Berry returned the favour and approved the same funding to Jenrick's Newark constituency, which sits 270th in the most deprived areas in UK list, crooked swines. 

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Anyone who'd still vote for the current government after all the corruption, stupidity and incompetence are simply unworthy of the right to vote. They're either in on it, and are making money out of the chaos and are selfish or they're too hypnotised and thick to realised they're being conned. The Conservative party are no longer a party that wants a traditional society, or a committed push towards free market economics and personal responsibility, but a disorganised gang of clowns seeking self promotion, personal financial gain and power for the sake of power. And they're not even very good at that. 

Supporting and believing in the likes of Johnson, Hancock, Patel, Jenrick, Cummings, Raaab, Williamson, Dorries and Rees Mogg is no different than being one of those people who supported Steve Kean when it was clear he was a crook and a tosser, and all sorts of funny business was going on behind the scenes. 

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2 hours ago, arbitro said:

Why on earth doesn't Johnson's chief advisor earn his money and do something useful to advise Johnson to start using Head and Shoulders? His dandruff is appalling.

It makes sitting next to him at dinner a particularly unnerving experience.

No need to pass the salt.

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8 hours ago, Norbert Rassragr said:

Anyone who'd still vote for the current government after all the corruption, stupidity and incompetence are simply unworthy of the right to vote. They're either in on it, and are making money out of the chaos and are selfish or they're too hypnotised and thick to realised they're being conned. The Conservative party are no longer a party that wants a traditional society, or a committed push towards free market economics and personal responsibility, but a disorganised gang of clowns seeking self promotion, personal financial gain and power for the sake of power. And they're not even very good at that. 

Supporting and believing in the likes of Johnson, Hancock, Patel, Jenrick, Cummings, Raaab, Williamson, Dorries and Rees Mogg is no different than being one of those people who supported Steve Kean when it was clear he was a crook and a tosser, and all sorts of funny business was going on behind the scenes. 

Too right. Not conservative in any sense of the word. Real tories exist and the likes of Rory Stewart, Ken Clarke, Gauke etc must all be looking at this in despair. 
 

True Conservatives can not possibly support this cabinet. It could take the best part of a decade to replace the trust it has lost. 

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9 hours ago, Norbert Rassragr said:

towards free market economics and personal responsibility, but a disorganised gang of clowns seeking self promotion,

That's it for me. I can get behind the free market but that's not what this lot are about, their desire to loosen state aid restrictions is completely at odds with traditional tory ideology. 

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11 hours ago, Norbert Rassragr said:

Anyone who'd still vote for the current government after all the corruption, stupidity and incompetence are simply unworthy of the right to vote. They're either in on it, and are making money out of the chaos and are selfish or they're too hypnotised and thick to realised they're being conned. The Conservative party are no longer a party that wants a traditional society, or a committed push towards free market economics and personal responsibility, but a disorganised gang of clowns seeking self promotion, personal financial gain and power for the sake of power. And they're not even very good at that. 

Supporting and believing in the likes of Johnson, Hancock, Patel, Jenrick, Cummings, Raaab, Williamson, Dorries and Rees Mogg is no different than being one of those people who supported Steve Kean when it was clear he was a crook and a tosser, and all sorts of funny business was going on behind the scenes. 

The Tories morphed into UKIP years ago.

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Just now, RoverDom said:

Paywall so cant read, does it say what the split is? 

I'm assuming it'll all be raised from the super rich and tax avoiding corporations....? 

There are no details of how it is to be raised.

The FT simply ran Sunak's official numbers and concluded this is the Treasury assumption of tax rises next March.  

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1 hour ago, RoverDom said:

I'm assuming it'll all be raised from the super rich and tax avoiding corporations....? 

A fair assumption given Johnson's credentials as a One Nation Tory and his affinity and empathy with the northern Working Classes

"evening up" here we come!  :tu:

 

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One rule for the elite and Boris Johnson's inner circle in particular, another for the plebs in the rest of the country. The smell of corruption is everywhere 

https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/18790597.council-tax-payable-dominic-cummings-lockdown-cottage/?ref=twtrec&fbclid=IwAR1oCKrycKMLwzcx-68-Yp05a2kV232id58rjAOSVGPc3A0QyFWmwSW74VA

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