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Just now, Dreams of 1995 said:

Was it Labour's fault for the 2008 global financial collapse? I think not.

No and I'm not aware that I said they did but their handling of it was a disaster.

Just now, Dreams of 1995 said:

I don't know how you can try and criticise how New Labour handled the economy when you voted for a bloke that undoubtedly would have made this sacred economy worse off.

You think Corbyn may have made it worse off personally I don't, but the truth is no one can say either way as a fact. But what we can say as a fact that is people who voted for Johnson at the last election most certainly did vote for someone who has made the economy worse off.

Just now, Dreams of 1995 said:

I'd say Momentum have done far more damage to the Labour Party brand than the Iraq war. In truth, when you speak to Red Wall voters, they don't care about the Iraq war anymore. They care about people like Ash Sarkar going on national TV and spouting anti-capitalist rhetoric, and what they call a "politically correct" driven movement to rid the country of its national identity.

I totally agree about momentum I don't have anytime for them either. But I do think that you underestimate how much Iraq still resonates with people, it began the downward trend of lack of trust in politicians in general but the Labour Party as the party that led us into it are particularly tainted by it. As for Ash Sarkar I don't have anytime for her either she is a self publicist who is more interested in promoting herself than she is socialism. But that is typical of Trotskyites like her they pretend to be socialist but in reality they aren't. 

 

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Thought I would offer an insight into the School Meal Voucher scheme being used to provide vouchers to those parents and children that need it desperately.  The scheme is provided by Edenred a co

This sermon is brought to you by the Daily Mail. Victim-blaming repugnant nonsense. 

You need to completely change your perspective. Do you think they don’t realise how dangerous is?  They don’t have other options. Of course it’s dangerous but the alternative, for most, is l

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Final results in from Bolivia as MAS win with over 55% of the vote and also retain majorities in the chamber and senate. A stunning victory, the US and OAS right wing coup has been crushed. This is also a vindication of the victory which the great Evo Morales won last year which the countries like the UK, US and organisations like the EU & OAS said was rigged, shame on them. 

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2 hours ago, Ewood Ace said:

And it was 9 years of disaster from them (the first 4 years they did some good things) that has played a big role in Tories winning 4 successive elections, particularly how Labour handled of the economy.

Sorry, this isn't true.

Labour made a huge strategic mistake in choosing the wrong Milliband. David Milliband would have beaten Cameron hands down - and there would have been no Brexit, no austerity and much happier, less divided country over the past 10 years. That decision in my view is one of the great turning points in British history.

Labour's so-called mishandling of the economy is straight out of the Tory / Mail / Telegraph playbook. Gordon Brown in particular never got enough credit for the way he steered the country through the 2008 worldwide financial crisis and out of recession. 

 

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1 minute ago, jim mk2 said:

Sorry, this isn't true.

Labour made a huge strategic mistake in choosing the wrong Milliband. David Milliband would have beaten Cameron hands down - and there would have been no Brexit, no austerity and much happier, less divided country over the past 10 years. That decision in my view is one of the great turning points in British history.

The great myth that is David Miliband. The man who when foreign secretary was at the very least complicit in extraordinary rendition and torture. Who is now President of the IRC which sadly under his leadership has become a completely discredited organisation.

19 minutes ago, jim mk2 said:

Labour's so-called mishandling of the economy is straight out of the Tory / Mail / Telegraph playbook. Gordon Brown in particular never got enough credit for the way he steered the country through the 2008 worldwide financial crisis and out of recession. 

Labour did mishandle to economy but not in the way the Tories, Mail or Telegraph would tell you. Also I suspect that your economic ideas are closer to that of the Tories, Mail and Telegraph than mine are.

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1 minute ago, Ewood Ace said:

The great myth that is David Miliband. The man who when foreign secretary was at the very least complicit in extraordinary rendition and torture. Who is now President of the IRC which sadly under his leadership has become a completely discredited organisation.

Labour did mishandle to economy but not in the way the Tories, Mail or Telegraph would tell you. Also I suspect that your economic ideas are closer to that of the Tories, Mail and Telegraph than mine are.

David Miliband was a prime minister in waiting until McCluskey and his idiots set Labour back by 20 years by electing an unelectable leader.

You suspect wrong. 

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Just now, jim mk2 said:

David Miliband was a prime minister in waiting until McCluskey and his idiots set Labour back by 20 years by electing an unelectable leader.

With what has happened to the IRC since he became President suggests the opposite. 

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Whilst this Tory government would happily see kids go hungry during the holidays, it’s now down to the local councils to do the right thing, despite having budgets cut to the bone and dealing with Covid.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54657796

Those MP’s that voted against the bill, including the new MP for Hyndburn, you’re a disgrace.

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Ben Bradley MP (oft-quoted by our incumbent MP Ms. Britcliffe who seems incapable of forming her own opinions, reminding me of certain posters on here) has been tweeting characterisation of the working class as running crack dens and brothels, claiming that the FSM voucher scheme has funded such things.

Not only does he not know how the scheme worked, he actively denigrates working class people.

Ms. Britcliffe, at 24, spends most of her time nodding to his beat.

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10 hours ago, Ewood Ace said:

Would you care to compare those statistics with previous years? As that will show that the numbers are consistently going down as you would see from my previous post but you appear to have ignored those numbers as they are facts that don't support your claim.

Still to high for me even now for me at that age. Even tho the number has come down granted

10 hours ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

On another thread - the other three home nations involved provide sign language interpreters at the televised virus briefings, Westminster-despite repeated  requests  - conspicuously does not. That tells me all I need to know about the Governments attitude to the less well off in our society.

available online 

9 hours ago, Ewood Ace said:

 Whatever criticisms I have of Johnson he immediately got his enemies out of his party and come the election had a united party, although with everything we have seen since I would imagine that was more Cummings' doing than Johnson's. But whoever did it, it was the sensible move.

Yes he very quickly got rid of people like Grieve and Hammond out of the party? and taking the whip from MP's who voted against in Brexit bill. 

8 hours ago, Ewood Ace said:

That would be the perfect way of showing the country that Socialism isn't welcome in the Labour Party (but let's be honest most genuine Socialists knew that anyway) and that Labour under Starmer are simply Tory lite. We had 13 years of Labour in government being Tory lite and it was a disaster for the nation and the world. The two Labour PM's who have been good for the country were Wilson and Atlee both of whom were on the left of the party, the other 4 McDonald, Callaghan, Blair and Brown were terrible.

Can I assume you were big fan Corbyn, McDonnell and Burgon then? Can I assume that you would have prefer Rebecca Long-Bailey as leader instead of Starmer?

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1 minute ago, chaddyrovers said:

Can I assume you were big fan Corbyn, McDonnell and Burgon then? Can I assume that you would have prefer Rebecca Long-Bailey as leader instead of Starmer?

No I wasn't a fan of John McDonnell at all. As for Long-Bailey I thought that she and all the candidates were deeply unimpressive in the leadership campaign and I did not have a preferred candidate. I like Corbyn but he wasn't a leader although he would have been infinitely better than Johnson. Richard Burgon I like a lot.

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4 hours ago, Gav said:

Whilst this Tory government would happily see kids go hungry during the holidays, it’s now down to the local councils to do the right thing, despite having budgets cut to the bone and dealing with Covid.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54657796

Those MP’s that voted against the bill, including the new MP for Hyndburn, you’re a disgrace.

Our locals aren’t bright enough to do anything other than tow the line 

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1 hour ago, Ewood Ace said:

No I wasn't a fan of John McDonnell at all. As for Long-Bailey I thought that she and all the candidates were deeply unimpressive in the leadership campaign and I did not have a preferred candidate. I like Corbyn but he wasn't a leader although he would have been infinitely better than Johnson. Richard Burgon I like a lot.

Thanks for reply. 

Why do you like Burgon alot?

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3 hours ago, Mike E said:

Ben Bradley MP (oft-quoted by our incumbent MP Ms. Britcliffe who seems incapable of forming her own opinions, reminding me of certain posters on here) has been tweeting characterisation of the working class as running crack dens and brothels, claiming that the FSM voucher scheme has funded such things.

Not only does he not know how the scheme worked, he actively denigrates working class people.

Ms. Britcliffe, at 24, spends most of her time nodding to his beat.

Rayners words don’t even do this guy justice. He just oozes that “Twat on the Apprentice” vibe. 
 

 

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Mike Wood, Tory MP for Dudley South, was recently seen posing at the local food bank, but voted against feeding kids during the holidays. 

Are they just thick? 

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27 minutes ago, Gav said:

Mike Wood, Tory MP for Dudley South, was recently seen posing at the local food bank, but voted against feeding kids during the holidays. 

Are they just thick? 

As mince!

#JimMkIIOrwell

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8 hours ago, superniko said:

Mark Jenkinson (Tory MP for Workington) tonight also stated he “knows” that food parcels are traded for drugs. They’re just a different breed. 

Mark Jenkinson is an absolute idiot buffon, I could write at length about him. BNP turned UKIP turned conservative. My ex used to work as an EA for the leader of the council when mark was a councillor and even then when he was just another person he was singled out as the worst of the worst, didnt have two brain cells to rub together and was a nasty piece of work. 

Spends his social media time having digs at labour and then when the labour supporters have a dig back he blocks them. 

I got blocked by him cos he was deliberately avoiding the point of a discussion  with someone and I said "come on mark, you're playing dumb here, you know full well she meant...." blocked. 

 

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12 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Thanks for reply. 

Why do you like Burgon alot?

Seems a good bloke, his politics are on the left of the party and he has a good outlook on international politics.

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Multiple Tory MPs have made utterly outrageous statements in the wake of their vote to starve vulnerable children during a pandemic.

Tory MP for Mansfield Ben Bradley has publicly claimed that free school meals vouchers in the summer served as a direct subsidy to "crack dens" and "brothels" (subsequently claiming he was misquoted, despite the fact that the screenshot of what he said is all over the Internet).

Tory MP for Workington Mark Jenkinson went one step further to claim that people in his constituency have been trading food parcels for drugs (as if heroin dealers in Workington accept Dairylea Lunchables and Fruit Shoots instead of money!)

Tory MP for Shipley Philip Davies sent an abusive email to a 16 year old girl, calling her "intolerant" and a "virtue signaller" purely because she had the temerity to ask him why he voted to let vulnerable kids go hungry.

And Tory MP for North Devon Selaine Saxby decided to spit vitriol at local businesses for offering to support vulnerable kids with free food, in defiance of her party's wish that they're left to go starving hungry during this awful pandemic.

What an absolutely appalling bunch of people.

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3 hours ago, Ewood Ace said:

Seems a good bloke, his politics are on the left of the party and he has a good outlook on international politics.

So you are in favour of left wing politics? 

Would you like him to run as the leader of the party instead of Deputy leader? 

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Hyndburn has recieved £2.43 billion pounds for the area to tackle Covid-19. We recieved £1 billion so the Hyndburn council could support the community in the way best for area. Also recieved £682,058 extra in unringfenced funding that can be used by the council to target support where it is needed in the community where local leaders decide

 

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21 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Hyndburn has recieved £2.43 billion pounds for the area to tackle Covid-19. We recieved £1 billion so the Hyndburn council could support the community in the way best for area. Also recieved £682,058 extra in unringfenced funding that can be used by the council to target support where it is needed in the community where local leaders decide

 

Yes Sara, yes Sara, three bags full Sara.

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