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16 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

The Camberwell Green branch in Southwark on Thursday evening passed a motion of no confidence in the party leader, and said its members did not believe Sir Keir could lead the party to victory against Boris Johnson’s Conservatives or deliver “socialist” policies.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/keir-starmer-labour-no-confidence-camberwell-b1784390.html?amp

Another Opinium out today Chaddy. Labour ahead of Tories, Starmer more popular than Johnson. Missed it?

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Thought I would offer an insight into the School Meal Voucher scheme being used to provide vouchers to those parents and children that need it desperately.  The scheme is provided by Edenred a co

This sermon is brought to you by the Daily Mail. Victim-blaming repugnant nonsense. 

You need to completely change your perspective. Do you think they don’t realise how dangerous is?  They don’t have other options. Of course it’s dangerous but the alternative, for most, is l

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33 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

The Camberwell Green branch in Southwark on Thursday evening passed a motion of no confidence in the party leader, and said its members did not believe Sir Keir could lead the party to victory against Boris Johnson’s Conservatives or deliver “socialist” policies.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/keir-starmer-labour-no-confidence-camberwell-b1784390.html?amp

Am I the only one who, at first glance, read that as Camberwick Green?

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1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

Last 3 polls in the past week.

 

 

 

2 polls shows Conservatives has gained and 1 Labour has gained. 

The one with a Conservative lead is almost 2 weeks out of date (and posted a week ago).

The Labour lead, and the tie posted yesterday and with more recent data.

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26 minutes ago, Mike E said:

The one with a Conservative lead is almost 2 weeks out of date (and posted a week ago).

The Labour lead, and the tie posted yesterday and with more recent data.

The deltapoll was done for Daily Mirror. Data might be 2 weeks but still relevant. Sample size was just over 1,600 adults. Plus the poll was done just after Brexit was delivered 

The Conservatives has gained 2 points from the previous poll with YouGov. 

Opinium poll done for Guardian paper. 

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2 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Last 3 polls in the past week.

 

 

 

2 polls shows Conservatives has gained and 1 Labour has gained. 

So you read my post?!!!!

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1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

The deltapoll was done for Daily Mirror. Data might be 2 weeks but still relevant. Sample size was just over 1,600 adults. Plus the poll was done just after Brexit was delivered 

The Conservatives has gained 2 points from the previous poll with YouGov. 

Opinium poll done for Guardian paper. 

So to sum up, you posted this poll data which put the Conservatives ahead but failed to post the previous poll when Labour were ahead. 

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36 minutes ago, Dreams of 1995 said:

Who cares about the polls?

Next poll that matters is the GE. Until then it is just nonsense talk.

Correct. The next poll that matters is years away. There comes a time in the lifetime of a government were no matter what they do their day is done. It's over for them, the electorate want a change. In my lifetime it happened with the Tories under Macmillian/Douglas Home, with Labour under Wilson/Callaghan, the Tories again under Thatcher/Major, then Labour again under Blair/Brown. 

This government isn't at that point of no return yet but it's not far off.

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27 minutes ago, Dreams of 1995 said:

Who cares about the polls?

Next poll that matters is the GE. Until then it is just nonsense talk.

Exactly. 

Every exit poll for the past 10yrs has been wrong also.

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3 minutes ago, Gav said:

Exactly. 

Every exit poll for the past 10yrs has been wrong also.

I thought the exit polls were usually correct as they are asking people how they have just voted. The opinion polls prior to the election are usually not to be relied upon.

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10 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

I thought the exit polls were usually correct as they are asking people how they have just voted. The opinion polls prior to the election are usually not to be relied upon.

People were embarrassed to admit they'd voted for Trump and Brexit, thats why Farage had given up early in the evening on Brexit, the information given by voters was wrong, similar happened in US, Trump had no chance on opinion polls, exit polls had it closer.

How many red wall Labour supporters coming out of the polls would have admitted to have voted Tory, or even in the lead up to the last general election?

Never trust a poll these days, even the ones on here 👍

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20 minutes ago, Gav said:

Exactly. 

Every exit poll for the past 10yrs has been wrong also.

The exit polls have been more or less spot on for every general election from 1997 onwards.

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6 hours ago, Mike E said:

Instead of £30 vouchers for ten days worth of free school meals, the government has outsourced free school meals for England’s most vulnerable children, to a catering company called Chartwells. 

This company has replaced the £30 vouchers with (ASDA pricing) £5.22 worth of food, for the children. 

The picture below is provision for a child for 10 days:

Bread 89p
Beans 85p
Carrots 15p
Apples 42p
Potatoes 22p
Tomato 11p
Cheese £1.45
Frubes 33p
Pasta 10p
Soreen 40p
Bananas 30p

Public funds are charged £30 for each of these £5.22 packages. This means the company is making nearly £25 pure profits from each package literally off the backs (or stomachs) of poor children. Off the taxpayer - who thinks this money is going towards feeding hungry kids. 

Chartwells were offered this contract WITHOUT tender - meaning there was no competition allowed to big for this contract, it was just given straight to Chartwells. This is despite Chartwells having a long track record of ripping off the state on school meals by skimming off the top like this. See here: https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/catering-firm-slammed-charging-11-3982629.amp?__twitter_impression=true

As you probably expected, Chartwells are a division of Compass Group, the chairman of which is Paul Walsh. Paul Walsh is a donor to the Conservative Party.

How much sicker can this government get? They’re laughing at our poorest kids and making profits off free school meals - off charity!

Could we get a more corrupt government? 

Again no issues with Tory voters but questions must be asked why anyone woild support this lot, who are pure scum.

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6 hours ago, Mike E said:

Instead of £30 vouchers for ten days worth of free school meals, the government has outsourced free school meals for England’s most vulnerable children, to a catering company called Chartwells. 

This company has replaced the £30 vouchers with (ASDA pricing) £5.22 worth of food, for the children. 

The picture below is provision for a child for 10 days:

Bread 89p
Beans 85p
Carrots 15p
Apples 42p
Potatoes 22p
Tomato 11p
Cheese £1.45
Frubes 33p
Pasta 10p
Soreen 40p
Bananas 30p

Public funds are charged £30 for each of these £5.22 packages. This means the company is making nearly £25 pure profits from each package literally off the backs (or stomachs) of poor children. Off the taxpayer - who thinks this money is going towards feeding hungry kids. 

Chartwells were offered this contract WITHOUT tender - meaning there was no competition allowed to big for this contract, it was just given straight to Chartwells. This is despite Chartwells having a long track record of ripping off the state on school meals by skimming off the top like this. See here: https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/catering-firm-slammed-charging-11-3982629.amp?__twitter_impression=true

As you probably expected, Chartwells are a division of Compass Group, the chairman of which is Paul Walsh. Paul Walsh is a donor to the Conservative Party.

How much sicker can this government get? They’re laughing at our poorest kids and making profits off free school meals - off charity!

Jheez, where has this info come from?

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2021/jan/12/not-good-enough-marcus-rashford-condemns-free-school-meal-packages

Answered my own question Mike!

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2 minutes ago, Dreams of 1995 said:

Glad Rashford is on it. One of the only people they seem to listen to (which in itself says something.) Hopefully enough pressure can be made to reverse the decision. 

That said most of this government's supporters a) won't know about it and b) won't care or condemn it. It's a poor do a round. 

 

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20 minutes ago, Blue blood said:

Could we get a more corrupt government? 

Again no issues with Tory voters but questions must be asked why anyone woild support this lot, who are pure scum.

With respect Blue blood one also has to take on board an element of personal responsibility.

These are free school meal parcels and therefore replacing the dinner time meal we would otherwise provide. I have voted Tory in the past, probably won't do again for a long time as the Mrs is now a fully pledged Green party activist, but I don't think there has ever been any anger at providing free school meals to those in school?

My anger here comes at the fact the Govt are allowing their mates to rip them off and, in doing so, rip us off. £30 should provide £30.00 worth of food. If the government want to outsource that cost it should come from their own pocket. If not it should employ public workers to do it. However, to rip off to such an extent (£25.00) is neither Conservative in the true sense of the word or moral.

Now, if we are starting to talk about providing £30.00 worth of food to families forever then I would have to say I disagree. It takes away that element of personal responsibility. There is no concern about emergency funding but rather than starting to feed families a society needs to be curated that allows families to feed themselves. The "welfare state" can allow people to become dependent on it because we all know the nature of some people. It is a fine line, and a rather easy catch line for non-Tories to throw at them about 'starving kids'. These same families were poor under a Labour govt, I grew up under one, and on my local estate I haven't seen much difference with my own eyes except for being told that they are worse off. I am not saying that the wealth gap hasn't widened only that it wasn't like this problem didn't exist in the 10+ years Labour were in power too.

It is a difficult subject and one I've always tried to tread carefully around.

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Rashford rapidly becoming the Chilavert of the UK.

For context, Chilavert has used his legendary status in Paraguay to campaign improved infrastructure, improved welfare, and improved rights for the vulnerable in society.

So admired is he, it's believed he'll campaign for national leadership soon.

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At uni I would do a shop every three weeks for just over £30 (excluding bread and milk through the week) and I would eat a hell of a lot better than those pitiful pictures. Thats 30quid at supermarket prices, not the wholesale prices that this lot likely have access too. I get their will be other costs over and above the food costs and an element of profit needs to be included but not £25 worth. 

 

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2 minutes ago, Dreams of 1995 said:

With respect Blue blood one also has to take on board an element of personal responsibility.

These are free school meal parcels and therefore replacing the dinner time meal we would otherwise provide. I have voted Tory in the past, probably won't do again for a long time as the Mrs is now a fully pledged Green party activist, but I don't think there has ever been any anger at providing free school meals to those in school?

My anger here comes at the fact the Govt are allowing their mates to rip them off and, in doing so, rip us off. £30 should provide £30.00 worth of food. If the government want to outsource that cost it should come from their own pocket. If not it should employ public workers to do it. However, to rip off to such an extent (£25.00) is neither Conservative in the true sense of the word or moral.

Now, if we are starting to talk about providing £30.00 worth of food to families forever then I would have to say I disagree. It takes away that element of personal responsibility. There is no concern about emergency funding but rather than starting to feed families a society needs to be curated that allows families to feed themselves. The "welfare state" can allow people to become dependent on it because we all know the nature of some people. It is a fine line, and a rather easy catch line for non-Tories to throw at them about 'starving kids'. These same families were poor under a Labour govt, I grew up under one, and on my local estate I haven't seen much difference with my own eyes except for being told that they are worse off. I am not saying that the wealth gap hasn't widened only that it wasn't like this problem didn't exist in the 10+ years Labour were in power too.

It is a difficult subject and one I've always tried to tread carefully around.

Not sure we are disagreeing. My issue is the same! It's money put before kids wellbeing for their mates to make a lot of money. 

Long term should the government provide food forever I agree that's a more complex question. Free school meals are a very viable way of providing support practically and economically and imo is a good.way of tackling the difficulties.

As for hunger in holidays and long term permanent provision at all times I would agree this is a much broader question. Imo it includes a huge range of issues from zero hour contracts through to a lack of education in cooking. Personally I feel from studying this a year or two ago as part of a uni course there are a lot of capitalist factors causing these issues, beyond any specific government being to blame, and appreciate its not a simple issue to deal with. 

So yeah, not sure we are disagreeing and think this is a very low move. 

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For reference, the same shop at Waitrose still only comes to £8.41, but that includes the full packs of soreen (5) and frubes (9)

Pro rata the soreen and frubes to what the Govt have offered, it's only £6.31.

AT WAITROSE FFS.

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7 hours ago, Mike E said:

Instead of £30 vouchers for ten days worth of free school meals, the government has outsourced free school meals for England’s most vulnerable children, to a catering company called Chartwells. 

This company has replaced the £30 vouchers with (ASDA pricing) £5.22 worth of food, for the children. 

The picture below is provision for a child for 10 days:

Bread 89p
Beans 85p
Carrots 15p
Apples 42p
Potatoes 22p
Tomato 11p
Cheese £1.45
Frubes 33p
Pasta 10p
Soreen 40p
Bananas 30p

Public funds are charged £30 for each of these £5.22 packages. This means the company is making nearly £25 pure profits from each package literally off the backs (or stomachs) of poor children. Off the taxpayer - who thinks this money is going towards feeding hungry kids. 

Chartwells were offered this contract WITHOUT tender - meaning there was no competition allowed to big for this contract, it was just given straight to Chartwells. This is despite Chartwells having a long track record of ripping off the state on school meals by skimming off the top like this. See here: https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/catering-firm-slammed-charging-11-3982629.amp?__twitter_impression=true

As you probably expected, Chartwells are a division of Compass Group, the chairman of which is Paul Walsh. Paul Walsh is a donor to the Conservative Party.

How much sicker can this government get? They’re laughing at our poorest kids and making profits off free school meals - off charity!

 

One story that encapsulates everything that is wrong with this corrupt government

It's appalling.

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11 hours ago, Mike E said:

Instead of £30 vouchers for ten days worth of free school meals, the government has outsourced free school meals for England’s most vulnerable children, to a catering company called Chartwells. 

This company has replaced the £30 vouchers with (ASDA pricing) £5.22 worth of food, for the children. 

The picture below is provision for a child for 10 days:

Bread 89p
Beans 85p
Carrots 15p
Apples 42p
Potatoes 22p
Tomato 11p
Cheese £1.45
Frubes 33p
Pasta 10p
Soreen 40p
Bananas 30p

Public funds are charged £30 for each of these £5.22 packages. This means the company is making nearly £25 pure profits from each package literally off the backs (or stomachs) of poor children. Off the taxpayer - who thinks this money is going towards feeding hungry kids. 

 

I agree with providing parents the food instead of vouchers in some cases like lack of transport, etc but parents will know their children likes and dislikes in food so not ideal in every circumstances. If 30 pounds isnt spend by the company then it should return to the government. 

Also not much there for 10 days like 1 tomato or 1 frube. No meat to with this pasta or pasta sauce. Or sandwiches or wraps if the child prefer a light lunch. You need provide different foods daily as they will bored of the same food every day or have different like and dislike to other children so need a range of different food and drinks is need if you are going to provide food for parents. 

Arent Frubes at asda sold in pack for 9 for 1 to 2 pounds in my experience. Or a massive pack of pasta for couple of pounds. Or some fresh chicken and bacon then they can Chicken and Bacon tomato pasta bake. Or a can of tuna to have Jacket potato with Tuna for lunch. 

A box of 15 capri sun drinks is 3.50 pounds at most supermarkets. 

 

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