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Just now, Ewood Ace said:

 

They’re not likely to put it down to the fact they didn’t care about the lies, the 13000 deaths, the cronyism, the sleaze in their determination to cling to the party that pandered to their xenophobic, racist and discriminatory brexit views are they?

Better blame someone else.

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6 minutes ago, den said:

Is a brexit Freeport different to the Freeport’s that we’ve had around the country for many years Gav?

Have you been to the Freeport in the Tees Valley den? How was it?

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16 minutes ago, Gav said:

Labour comfortably keep hold of Blackburn.

https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/19287730.blackburn-tories-take-two-labours-core-wards/

Despite the shocks, Labour comfortably kept control of the borough council as they also gained Billinge and Beardwood from the Conservatives with a win for Mohammed Irfan.

Blackburn with Darwen Council had 17 of its 51 seats up for grabs, with 26 seats needed to form a majority.

Labour were remain in control of the council, holding 35 wards plus Independent Tasleem Fazal (out of the party over allegedly anti-Semitic social media posts).

@chaddyrovers why do you think the Conservatives didn't win this council? 

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Freeports at Belfast, Birmingham, Cardiff, Liverpool, Glasgow Prestwick Airport and Southampton were abandoned by Cameron in 2012 because they were seen as a failure

They're regarded as a conduit as a use for tax havens, smuggling and a way to erode worker's rights, cut away at regulation and erode the tax base.

Brexit was always a rich man's deregulated nirvana. Freeports suit the their agenda perfectly 

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In Rochdale the Labour Council held on to all ten wards they were defending plus winning a vacant seat. We must be doing something right.

On a personal level we know the Tory candidate in our ward pretty well. He’s closely related to my wife’s best friend. You couldn’t meet a more nasty bastard no matter how hard you tried. He was well beaten but still got about 900 votes. None of those voters could have ever met him.

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7 minutes ago, jim mk2 said:

Freeports at Belfast, Birmingham, Cardiff, Liverpool, Glasgow Prestwick Airport and Southampton were abandoned by Cameron in 2012 because they were seen as a failure

They're regarded as a conduit as a use for tax havens, smuggling and a way to erode worker's rights, cut away at regulation and erode the tax base.

Brexit was always a rich man's deregulated nirvana. Freeports suit the their agenda perfectly 

I heard one Tory bigging  up the Freeport’s. When the interviewer asked him “ If they are so good should we make the whole of the country one big Freeport “ he said “ Why not ? “

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21 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

I heard one Tory bigging  up the Freeport’s. When the interviewer asked him “ If they are so good should we make the whole of the country one big Freeport “ he said “ Why not ? “

That was Ben Houchen Tyrone on PM.

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This racist cretin should apologies to every Labour supporter across the country, it won't take him long after the shambles he preceded over.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-57016689

Cobyn criticises Starmer's leadership of Labour Party

The former Labour Leader Jeremy Corbyn has criticised the direction of the party under Sir Keir Starmer for “offering nothing” but “insipid support for the government”.

On another note, superb new:

Liverpool elects first black woman mayor

Labour's Joanne Anderson has become the first black woman to run a major UK city after winning the mayoralty of Liverpool.

She succeeds Joe Anderson, who is subject of an ongoing police investigation. The city council was also subject of a highly critical report and some services will be run by government appointed commissioners.

Ms Anderson says she is "wholeheartedly determined to put our city on a restorative path after a difficult year".

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"I am not interested in Boris' wallpaper. We need to look at where things are going wrong."

 

That's a comment from a former Labour voter in Hartlepool. Some days ago, I suggested that nobody truly cares about the apartment refurbishment. The amount of media attention it got played right into Boris' hand because it's just petty in the grand scheme of things when Hartlepool's Labour stance was described as "rudderless" and "no policy" for the working classes.

Starmer is a Remainer. Brexiteers (51% of them) evidently don't forget that fact easily. The gist is that they feel now, more than ever, that Labour and Starmer don't represent them, nor care. Don't shoot the messenger, but that's what I'm reading virtually everywhere.

Starmer is saying the same old chestnut: "Labour will learn their lessons". But they never do. The head gets buried in the sand, their core voters get ignored because they voted for something "stupid", and here we are.

While I think Starmer may do quite well in middle class areas, he must run a virtually separate campaign to truly appeal to Brexit voters at the next General Election. A proper and serious campaign is needed that addresses and at least tries to help them in the best way possible.

I don't even think Coronavirus is something to hide behind. These voters who feel that they have no choice but to avoid Labour even state that Boris is a top twonk, but Labour need to sort of "grovel" and put forward a proper plan with the Red Wall in order to win them back. Will they? Surely it wouldn't take much to outdo Boris on that front? These people are just abandoned by Labour...

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8 minutes ago, Ewood Ace said:

Hard to disagree with that.

If Starmer was to take Boris to task on his handling of Coronavirus, that time has well and truly passed, although there may be another opportunity in time (I don't think it's over).

Having said that, it was nervous times last year, and I think a case of damned if you do and damned if you don't for the Opposition.

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People bigging up Corbyn's performance at the 2017 election should remember that that was achieved largely because of an unbelievably bad campaign from Theresa May. Whatever people think of Boris he can campaign.

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6 hours ago, Ewood Ace said:

What facts am I not facing? I have never denied that Labour got well beaten in 2019 I happen to think that the main reason for that was their disastrous position on Brexit, which is borne out when you look at the seats it lost and how they voted in the referendum

I think it was alot more to it than just Brexit. Conservative policies, Johnson has the likeable factor Voters like, Corbyn and McDonnell socialise agenda. 

6 hours ago, Ewood Ace said:

Also if you want to talk about Labour's spending plans in 2019 they are dwarfed by what your Tory government has spent since they got it.

Global pandemic to do with plus protecting businesses, people jobs with furlough scheme, protecting people mortgages, etc. Protecting our economy was the right thing to do. 

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5 hours ago, jim mk2 said:

Chaddy is living proof that if you wave a union flag at a poor white English person he will let you rob him blind. 

Who poor Jim? Certainly not me. 

You can't resist but put British people down at every opportunity Jim. Shame you can't show your patriotic for our great country Jim.but show it for your beloved EU 

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6 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Ask.the people who live in Blackburn like Jim who would have been campaigning during the local elections? 

Yet you chime in knowing why they won other councils 🤷‍♂️

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I was talking to our Sheffield friends last night, they're delighted by the gains made by the Greens from Labour, Labour are still the biggest party but the numbers are interesting:

Sheffield's new lone Conservative councillor Lewis Chinchen may find himself very popular indeed. The Lib Dems and Greens together can only get to 42 councillors - one short of a majority. Labour are only on 41 councillors at the moment, by my maths they need one councillor on their side to deny others a majority.

Sheffield, a Labour city for ever, just goes to show how politics has changed, they now even have a Tory councillor!  Our friends weren't to impressed by that.....

 

 

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2 hours ago, Mike E said:

Yet you chime in knowing why they won other councils 🤷‍♂️

Gav has answered that he has friends there. 

My local councillor seat went Conservative..which I'm delighted with. looking forward to next local election when we can get Conservative Hyndburn next time. Tho we gain 4 seats from Labour in these local elections 

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1 hour ago, Gav said:

was talking to our Sheffield friends last night, they're delighted by the gains made by the Greens from Labour, Labour are still the biggest party but the numbers are interesting:

That's why we need electoral reform. In a general election people should be able to vote for any candidate they like without worrying that this may advantage the candidate they like least.

Absolutely no chance of introducing it now. Blair has a lot to answer for there---3 consecutive election wins and he went nowhere near it. He could have got it through from a position of strength.

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3 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Gav has answered that he has friends there. 

My local councillor seat went Conservative..which I'm delighted with. looking forward to next local election when we can get Conservative Hyndburn next time. Tho we gain 4 seats from Labour in these local elections 

I wish to make the strongest complaint. I've got Chaddy on ignore but this has turned up!.

Will the little sod  haunt me in the grave?

His previous post is hidden!

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5 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

I’m expecting Andy Burnham to get voted in as the Mayor of Greater Manchester with a huge majority today.

Wondering why the Tories have no appeal in our great northern city?

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