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4 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Here is England deputy CMO Jonathan Van Tam writing in the Mail of Sunday today

 

They are making it up as they go along. A few weeks back if I was offered the vaccine I would have gladly had it, now though I would be very very wary of having it and would most likely refuse it.

 

 

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False dichotomy alert. I don't quite see how the two are related. I mean it's not an either or is it? Given the furlough and mortgage schemes (both excellent btw) are already in place before Cumm

Have spent a couple of days thinking what to write on here as I am utterly bewildered as to what this so called government is up to regarding schools. Firstly, before Christmas my school had seve

as you know i dont post on here anymore but i will this once just to wish everyone the best and hope everyone stays safe and comes thru at the other side  of this sad mess.  i would also like to

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Huge public support for keeping schools closed, yet no words of support for teachers or their unions from the leader of the opposition. If he can't speak out in favour of teachers and unions especially when they have massive public support then who does he speak for and what is the Labour Party for?

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5 minutes ago, lsp82 said:

I was sternly told no by the DFE and threatened if we did.

What's the ramifications of not listening to them? Are they likely to go down the route of people losing their jobs over this? It feels it would be a really bad look for them. 

Well done for keeping the school shut though. Throughout I've always been a believer of assessing the risk and acting accordingly rather than blindly following government guidelines which are often arbitrary. If you feel it is unsafe and keep the school shut contrary to government instruction, I hope you get the  support from all those around you. 

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2 minutes ago, RoverDom said:

What's the ramifications of not listening to them? Are they likely to go down the route of people losing their jobs over this? It feels it would be a really bad look for them. 

Well done for keeping the school shut though. Throughout I've always been a believer of assessing the risk and acting accordingly rather than blindly following government guidelines which are often arbitrary. If you feel it is unsafe and keep the school shut contrary to government instruction, I hope you get the  support from all those around you. 

In that instance the email merely stated 'legal action '. This time I think I am being overly concerned as I do have the backing of the Local Authority on not opening tomorrow. The fact is it should not come to this. Decisions need to be made locally depending on circumstance. The govt don't care as long as they are profiting from this. That has been shown.

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What got me was them making you do the tracing and notifying families. That's a new low I wasn't aware that had happened in this. 

The government thinking it knows better than heads is sadly an all too familiar refrain. That said the legal action is also spectacularly low. 

Gutting as well that for some such actions will be glossed over. 

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Johnson said this morning that the reason for closing schools in the south of England is because they have the new variant @lsp82

He says that in areas where the new variant isn’t rife, the tier system has already been shown to work.

not defending it, just saying what he said.

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4 minutes ago, den said:

Johnson said this morning that the reason for closing schools in the south of England is because they have the new variant @lsp82

He says that in areas where the new variant isn’t rife, the tier system has already been shown to work.

not defending it, just saying what he said.

The problem is it's expected to be rife up here very soon. 

North of England braces for COVID spike amid new variant (yahoo.com)

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2 minutes ago, den said:

Johnson said this morning that the reason for closing schools in the south of England is because they have the new variant @lsp82

He says that in areas where the new variant isn’t rife, the tier system has already been shown to work.

not defending it, just saying what he said.

I am fairly certain that new variant has reached at least the midlands, den. As stated personally I have gone from knowing hardly anyone who has had the virus to now practically everybody I know having either had or lived with someone who has had a positive test. It’s been actually quite eye opening the past 2 weeks. Practically every day somebody has told me they have it, including 2 more today. I think I find myself in the camp of “trust what your eyes see” and if I can personally the see the difference then I suspect those in charge of the numbers can too. It is obviously far more contagious given the rise in cases. 
 

Now, 99.99% of the people I know have been fine and will be fine, but the govt has never acted on that basis. They keep saying they are acting “with the numbers” and “following the science” but upon speaking to my mum my little brothers school is still open despite evidence of at least 40+ cases (that I’m aware of) on the same estate the school is situated. It’s obviously here, but tomorrow everybody will send their kid to school, and the few that don’t yet have it / have had contact with it, will do. 
 

Is this virus as dangerous as they keep telling us or not? Because, if it is, and the hospitals are full, then schools in Great Barr should not be open tomorrow. 
 

Sorry to hear your story @lsp82. This govt is a disgrace to the country, and I can count on one hand the things they have got right in terms of public health. There’s not been an age range they have let down - from consecutive lockdowns to the care homes they have really managed to stick the boot in to everybody. I can’t see them surviving long after this dies down and people start to realise. Good luck with everything. 

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So you don't close schools in the north because the new variant isn't rife yet, but all the stats show the variant is rapidly spreading from the SE across the whole country.

Haven't they heard of preventative action? Haven't they learnt from earlier in the crisis that it';s better to be proactive than reactive?

More bullshit from Johnson 

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12 minutes ago, den said:

Johnson said this morning that the reason for closing schools in the south of England is because they have the new variant @lsp82

He says that in areas where the new variant isn’t rife, the tier system has already been shown to work.

not defending it, just saying what he said.

I know, perhaps I should have said why are 2 schools 700 yards apart different?! 

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Just now, jim mk2 said:

So you don't close schools in the north because the new variant isn't rife yet, but all the stats show the variant is rapidly spreading from the SE across the whole country.

Haven't they heard of preventative action? Haven't they learnt from earlier in the crisis that it';s better to be proactive than reactive?

More bullshit from Johnson 

There'll be another u-turn in a week or so. All so predictable and incompetent. 

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I know local government are really struggling with this, the teachers union are applying the pressure as is their right in protecting its members, but its a tough decision, lots of politics involved. 

Local teams in the North are struggling to justify closing schools when the numbers are significantly lower than earlier in the year in some cases when they remained open, why close schools when gyms, shopping centres and the high street are all open?

As Jim says above, why wait until its running wild to close them down, I agree with that completely, this needs leadership and where the hell are the opposition in all of this? 

The silence is deafening. 

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9 minutes ago, Hoochie Bloochie Mama said:

Gyms aren't open in Tier 4, which most of the North is in. Haven't been to a shopping centre. I thought all non-essential shops were shut in Tier4? 

Apologies I’m talking local to me over here in sunny Yorkshire, cases going down at local level, but will certainly will go up in the coming weeks, gyms are open.

MeadowHall Sheffield have been turning people away it’s been that busy. How can local government justify closing schools with this kind of thing going on?

https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/whats-on/shopping/meadowhalls-warning-tier-4-areas-19545421

We need a national lockdown, stop all the arguing. 

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What frustrates me is that if we do it correctly and get schools shut down so we can deal with this sodding virus, you just know the same people who criticise teachers and want schools open will then criticise teachers for overreacting if it's a success.

The general public are fucking idiots, which makes me wonder if we truly do have the Government we deserve.

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2 minutes ago, Gav said:

Apologies I’m talking local to me over here in sunny Yorkshire, cases going down at local level, but will certainly will go up in the coming weeks, gyms are open.

MeadowHall Sheffield have been turning people away it’s been that busy. How can local government justify closing schools with this kind of thing going on?

https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/whats-on/shopping/meadowhalls-warning-tier-4-areas-19545421

We need a national lockdown, stop all the arguing. 

I don't see how they can avoid a lockdown if the new variant takes hold up north. The lack of hospital beds will dictate that in the end I suppose. ICU wards must be on the brink of being overwhelmed. 

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2 hours ago, jim mk2 said:

Boris Johnson said there was "no doubt in my mind that schools are safe".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55521580

How can he say this when all the advice from the medical and teaching professions says otherwise?

 

Yes this is really misleading. It's safe for the children, but it is not safe for adults such as teachers and support staff. But they've been told to suck it up. 

Is there a tracker for teachers who have died from COVID? I know there has been for medical staff, seems like there should be one for teachers? Must be well above the national average I would assume?

All that said I can see why closing schools is such a massive issue too. Terrible decision to have to make either way.

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As Den said:-

Starmer told reporters: “The virus is clearly out of control. And there’s no good the Prime Minister hinting that further restrictions are coming into place in a week, or two or three.

“That delay has been the source of so many problems. So, I say bring in those restrictions now, national restrictions, within the next 24 hours. That has to be the first step towards controlling the virus.”

On schools, Starmer said: “It is inevitable more schools are going to have to close. And the Government needs a plan on children’s learning but also for working parents.”

He went on: “The more important thing in a way is that national restrictions need to come in the next 24 hours. Let’s not have the Prime Minister saying ‘I’m going to do it, but not yet’, that’s the problem he has made so many times.

“Nationwide lockdown - the Prime Minister has hinted that that’s going to happen but he’s delaying again. And we can’t afford that again.”

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2 minutes ago, RoverDom said:

So can we assume 

 

Monday - "labour want us to be locked up, how awful is that they hate the NHS etc"

 

Thursday - "so yeah, we need a lockdown" 

Difficult one for Johnson. 

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3 hours ago, Ewood Ace said:

They are making it up as they go along. A few weeks back if I was offered the vaccine I would have gladly had it, now though I would be very very wary of having it and would most likely refuse it.

 

 

I would be more than happy to have the vaccine. My Auntie had her 1st dose. Shes fine. 

1 hour ago, Gav said:

Apologies I’m talking local to me over here in sunny Yorkshire, cases going down at local level, but will certainly will go up in the coming weeks, gyms are open.

MeadowHall Sheffield have been turning people away it’s been that busy. How can local government justify closing schools with this kind of thing going on?

https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/whats-on/shopping/meadowhalls-warning-tier-4-areas-19545421

We need a national lockdown, stop all the arguing. 

Isn't tier 4 a basically lockdown anyway. No restaurants, pubs, non essential shops closed. No where to travel to. Basically told to stay home and stay safe. Only go out to work and food Shopping. What else can you do? Going to work is the only time I can talk to people.

30 minutes ago, den said:

Starmer calling for national lockdown within 24 hrs.

In tier 4 areas it's like you are national lockdown. Cant mixed. Only see people via internet really. I talk my parents yesterday by them standing outside on street and we talk them through the front room window. Hardly ideal but good to talk face to face. Cant socialise or visit any place. 

My daughter school has said she not going until 18th January at the earlier. Secondary schools should be only open to Year 11 and 13 students and students who parents are key workers or vulnerable for the all of January. 

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