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13 hours ago, Gav said:

Joe Rogan, if memory serves me correctly, is a comedian podcaster, why would anyone listen to him for advice on Covid19 😆

Why don’t we get rid of Chris Whitty and JVT and replace them with Williams and Lucas.

Thats twice in 24hrs I’ve been left almost speechless…..

 

 

Good morning, welcome to the death of nuance . Also learn the difference between conspiracy theory and conspirac. Moron 

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11 minutes ago, Chriswhitty said:

All I ask is you allow some discussion . People have been utterly polarised and it’s just not healthy 

I mean what's the point? You know the Internet has porn on it right? Surely a much better use of your time. 

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12 hours ago, Silas said:

Joe's a decent guy, and one of the few left in modern times that, refreshingly, will say what he wants, as his position means he has zero fear of being cancelled. 

But he's got it wrong on this one, and on the pandemic in general this last year tbh. 

I think he's just got caught up in some of his macho BS. That, and his aversion to authority has clouded his judgment. 

Would of hoped for better from someone knowing they're speaking to such a large audience. 

ie he's an idiot exactly as Gav said.

Talking of idiots what sort of a clown posts the same thing 20 times? and calls himself Chriswhitty?

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12 minutes ago, 47er said:

ie he's an idiot exactly as Gav said.

Talking of idiots what sort of a clown posts the same thing 20 times? and calls himself Chriswhitty?

That’ll be IG again looking for a bit of attention, he’ll certainly get that attention once K-Hod gets on the case 👍

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1 minute ago, Gav said:

That’ll be IG again looking for a bit of attention, he’ll certainly get that attention once K-Hod gets on the case 👍

Yep, good catch Gav! Spotted the pattern right away and now he’s gone.

Can’t imagine the mindset of someone that keeps re registering new accounts when they were legitimately banned ages ago, but here we are.

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13 hours ago, Mike E said:

That's how vaccines work, you give them to the population, not to individuals.

Everybody doesn't get the flu one. 

Kids don't need this treatment/vaccine. It's madness to suggest so. Underlying conditions , ya , benefit probably outweighs risk. 

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13 hours ago, speeeeeeedie said:

He is a talented entertainer, no doubt about that. Spotify wouldn't have paid him millions if he wasn't. He isn't my cup of tea though.

His target audience is males primarily aged 18-29. They already see themselves as invincible, having Rogan tell them not to bother getting vaccinated isn't negligence but it's not good.

I'd like to see him interview Fauci, Chris Witty, Sarah Gilbert, Andy Slavitt, and the like rather than some of the people he's done bits with. Elon Musk for one. 

 

Yes. None are 100%. You can still catch a virus with a vaccine and transmit it too. However, other viruses with vaccines (HPV, MMR, polio to name a few) have widespread uptake significantly reducing the amount if disease roaming around making it even harder for it to latch onto a person. The delta variant is having a field day due to plenty of willing receptors.

 

There you go questioning authorities again. Conspiracies are next.

Coronavirus is worse for older people, that is known. Therefore it is not outlandish to conclude that older people taking the vaccine will receive a larger benefit than a 20 year old. A 20 year old's chance of death, admittedly lower to begin with, will also go down if they do get vaccinated (you don't see many stories about vaccinated 20 year olds on ventilators). Sadly, if a 20 year old doesn't get vaccinated, gets it, and passes it on to their also unvaccinated 55 year old mother it could spell trouble.

Here's another CDC chart (I live in the USA so look at this info) showing hospitalisations; CDC COVID Data Tracker

A higher number of 18-29 year olds are now being admitted to hospital than were in January. The number of over 70's being admitted has dropped by over 60%. In the USA any 18-29 year old could have easily received a vaccine back in May. Their hospital numbers should not be going up. It's idiocy. 

Which other viruses can you catch and transmit when vaccinated? 

You don't see unvaccinated 20 year olds on ventilators either. So in your example, if the 20 year old was vaccinated they could still spread it to their unaccinated mother, correct? Also, the mother at that age should weigh up herself whether to get the vaccine or not. Vast majority of people 55 wouldnt get badly sick either. Evidence is coming from America that people can spread the delta variant just as much if vaccinated. As I said, they are learning all the time about the vaccines and the virus. You seem to have your views set in stone, which is extremely strange for such a topic that has and is constantly evolving. 

Do you know anyone who got it and was really sick? Not from the news now, yourself. I know around 250 people who got in back in January and 1 was hospitalised , he had 3 underlying conditions and is fine now. 90 year olds got it and were fine. 

I also know many people who had adverse reactions to the vaccine/treatment. Do you think the vaccines are the finished article now? As in no scope for ever changing them? If you do fair enough, if you don't, then why should discussion be shut down about such things? 

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1 minute ago, K-Hod said:

Inglourious Basturk. A previously banned account. 

Ok just needed to know who I needed to sue for repetitive strain syndrome due to excessive scrolling.

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22 minutes ago, RoverDom said:

Has he appeared as dacurtis before? I remember getting DM from him slating the mods for deleting one of my posts

He's appeared as many many MANY saddos. Can't get his head around the fact that he broke the guidelines so many times that he totted up the points for a permaban (he wasn't just banned cos we felt like it).

Subsequently, every rereg gets permabanned (also as per our guidelines).

He wants to be here but keeps breaking the rules. He really ought to make his mind up.

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Well, well, the worms that turn

Israel, the most vaccinated country in the world, is now struggling to cope with the Delta variant

If there’s a lesson to be learnt from Israel today, it is this: corona, in fact, is not over. This summer was just an intermission. Next comes winter.

https://www.ft.com/content/c21e2053-0373-4b8e-80b7-fad10f235604

Meanwhile, the EU is about to overtake the UK in vaccine rollout

https://www.ft.com/content/f76dac90-c28a-42b4-acfd-d1cdbf83f55c

The bloc as a whole has overtaken the US in terms of first and second doses per 100 people. It should surpass the UK within a few weeks. Spain, Portugal and Denmark are already ahead

So the UK vaccine programme that has been praised to the heavens by the flag-waving media has failed to supply enough doses  to accelerate 2nd jabs or younger people, or to vaccinate teenagers,. 

Brexiteers shouldn't be too downhearted though

We're still beating the EU on daily deaths. Figures up to Thursday (7 day average): 

UK - 87; Spain - 68; France - 54; Italy - 24; Germany - 15

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Schools are set to reopen soon after the summer break, the government are in the process of removing all restrictions, testing, tracing etc etc from school settings, against the advice of local experts, what could possibly go wrong?

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On 13/08/2021 at 21:58, jim mk2 said:

 

So the UK vaccine programme that has been praised to the heavens by the flag-waving media has failed to supply enough doses  to accelerate 2nd jabs or younger people, or to vaccinate teenagers,. 

 

Or the alternative view is that the vaccine rollout is estimated to have saved around 100,000 lives already. 

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/covid-19-vaccine-surveillance-report-published

 

But it seems deaths (or lack of) only seem to count when they can be used to further some political agenda.

 

By the way, the death charts you used to be so fond of now show the UK as 19th in the World, and 13th in Europe. Just thought worth mentioning as you spent over a year shouting "Worst in the World!", "Worst in Europe!". 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/

 

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On 13/08/2021 at 21:58, jim mk2 said:

Well, well, the worms that turn

Israel, the most vaccinated country in the world, is now struggling to cope with the Delta variant

If there’s a lesson to be learnt from Israel today, it is this: corona, in fact, is not over. This summer was just an intermission. Next comes winter.

https://www.ft.com/content/c21e2053-0373-4b8e-80b7-fad10f235604

Meanwhile, the EU is about to overtake the UK in vaccine rollout

https://www.ft.com/content/f76dac90-c28a-42b4-acfd-d1cdbf83f55c

The bloc as a whole has overtaken the US in terms of first and second doses per 100 people. It should surpass the UK within a few weeks. Spain, Portugal and Denmark are already ahead

So the UK vaccine programme that has been praised to the heavens by the flag-waving media has failed to supply enough doses  to accelerate 2nd jabs or younger people, or to vaccinate teenagers,. 

Brexiteers shouldn't be too downhearted though

We're still beating the EU on daily deaths. Figures up to Thursday (7 day average): 

UK - 87; Spain - 68; France - 54; Italy - 24; Germany - 15

Teenagers and children shouldn't be vaccinated. They are at no risk of the virus. Their bodies are developing and they don't need to be injected with an experimental vaccine. It's typically those without kids who are keen on vaccinating them. Are you in that camp?

There is a big story here about a young guy who played for Waterford city dying after getting the vaccine. Obviously the media aren't saying that's why he died, but his family are speaking out. 

 

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51 minutes ago, Silas said:

By the way, the death charts you used to be so fond of

Fact check: I might be wrong but I don't recall posting many (if any) "death charts".  No doubt your renowned technical skills will prove the point

Meanwhile, schools are back in Scotland and the number of reported corona cases reported yesterday was about double the seven-day rolling average. 

If, as seems likely, the school holidays caused the tumble in the number of cases (they start school holidays at the end of June in Scotland) then it seems very likely that schools reopening is now causing the new spike and will do the same in England

If that is true then this coming winter is going to be very bad when it comes to Covid. The assumption that Covid is over - witness the unmasked crowding in the HoC this week - is wrong.

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So it looks like schools are causing a dip in cases and opening up recreation and hospitality haven't causes a noticeable rise. I swear I remember someone saying that last year, some young handsome guy in his late 20s I think

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2 hours ago, RoverDom said:

So it looks like schools are causing a dip in cases and opening up recreation and hospitality haven't causes a noticeable rise. I swear I remember someone saying that last year, some young handsome guy in his late 20s I think

You can’t compare this year to last Dom.

The nighttime economy, coupled with students going back to uni, sent the numbers through the roof. Leeds was a test bed back then and one of the first to see massive rises in infections. 

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Anyone who says they are certain about what's will happen in September is lying. No one knows. The step 4 opening being an example point. Not even the most optimistic forecaster thought cases would go down after step 4 let alone halve.  That defied the scientists, moddelers and common sense. While there are some good hypothesis why this was none can really adequately explain why something so unexpected happened.

So while the current data suggests September should be very manageable, it would be foolish to rely on that. Israel has shown the situation can deteriorate very quickly. We all need to wait and see, and be prepared for quick action should things derail.

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17 minutes ago, joey_big_nose said:

Anyone who says they are certain about what's will happen in September is lying. 

With the greatest of respect jbn, I can say with confidence, that a return to schools and universities in Sept, coupled with this government removing nearly all restrictions will see a major spike in infections. 

That’s not telling lies, that’s joining the dots.

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21 hours ago, Gav said:

With the greatest of respect jbn, I can say with confidence, that a return to schools and universities in Sept, coupled with this government removing nearly all restrictions will see a major spike in infections. 

That’s not telling lies, that’s joining the dots.

If you go back to July 18th did you think the full opening of the economy on July 19th would be followed by a halving of infections? I'd be very surprised if you did.

I concur with your opinion, I'm expecting a spike, but all I'm saying is history has shown that the unexpected does happen.

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