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43 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Only problem with clips and highlights is that its unlikely to highlight weaknesses and errors and impossible to gain a full picture.

The stats/data are as variable to the team they play for as the player themselves. Although interesting to read.

No. The clips encapsulate all aspects. A “passes” compilation will included incompleted and poor passes. 

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58 minutes ago, Paul Mani said:

It is odd and weirdly honourable that TM and SW will not overspend. Especially because as we all know by now, all you really have to do with Venkys is ask for more and you will receive it! 

I actually agree with you that the owners do appear to make transfer funds available on request.

I don't however agree that it is "weirdly honourable" that TM and SW won't overspend.

T'M's only job is to secure promotion. Nothing else. He shouldn't be concerning himself with saving the owners money or reining them in, on the contrary he should be the one telling them what is needed to achieve the goal.

Waggott's role should be to support the manager as far as humanly possible and find ways of stretching the budget or making a convincing case out to the owners to make promotion a realistic possibility.

Unfortunately it comes across as neither can be remotely arsed and both would much rather keep expectations to a bare minimum and plod along in lower to mid Champuinship with no pressure until retirement.

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3 hours ago, OssyLad said:

Get a grip lad, we could end up like Bolton and Bury any day if venkys decide to pull the plug. Which I hope won’t be soon. I’d rather us be sensible in the market rather than go all out and end up shit creek due ffp. Most Rovers fans these days need to pull there heads out of the sand. We can’t compete anymore. Our fan base is shocking for one and 2 we don’t have the appeal anymore

its all down to venkys and how badly they got advised and slowly but surely they’re trying to put it right, but it’s gonna take time 

One day Venky's will pull the plug. What's the point in carrying on in this moribund state waiting for it to happen?

I'd rather get it over with as soon as possible.

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1 hour ago, Butty said:

Yeah they really gave Bowyer, C**le and Lambert millions didn’t they ?

I thought Bowyer was pretty well backed. He brought in umpteen players. It looks to me that if you make a bit of effort with the owners and go over to India to see them and get your feet under the table they'll back you to the hilt.

Mowbray has done the same and he's been very well backed imo. The money he's wasted has been obscene yet he never seems to be under any pressure for it or asked to sell any players to compensate. (So far)

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Randomly off topic here but how long has lancs live been around, is it an actual print paper or an online thing only?

I only ask because it seems only recent that we’ve had two local journos both being fed the same stories 

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I went through the accounts and looked up the transfer numbers for past seasons since relegation.  The first column is purchases during that year.  It should count all guaranteed payments associated with the transfer, regardless of when they have to be paid.  The second column is cash spent on transfers, regardless of when the purchase was made.  It should include add-on payments made during those periods as well.  The third column is cash received from transfers, regardless of when the sale was made.  It should also include add-on payments received.

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8 minutes ago, awhom111 said:

I went through the accounts and looked up the transfer numbers for past seasons since relegation.  The first column is purchases during that year.  It should count all guaranteed payments associated with the transfer, regardless of when they have to be paid.  The second column is cash spent on transfers, regardless of when the purchase was made.  It should include add-on payments made during those periods as well.  The third column is cash received from transfers, regardless of when the sale was made.  It should also include add-on payments received.

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Venkys pissing money into the wind


Looks like we went for it in 2018-2019 first season back and failed

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39 minutes ago, awhom111 said:

I went through the accounts and looked up the transfer numbers for past seasons since relegation.  The first column is purchases during that year.  It should count all guaranteed payments associated with the transfer, regardless of when they have to be paid.  The second column is cash spent on transfers, regardless of when the purchase was made.  It should include add-on payments made during those periods as well.  The third column is cash received from transfers, regardless of when the sale was made.  It should also include add-on payments received.

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Thanks for sharing. I didn't quite understand your explanation of the difference between "Purchases and Cash out" but I assume purchases are the total headline amounts for any transfer deals completed during that season and cash out comprises of money actually paid out in installments for deals both those made in that season and in previous seasons.

To my untrained eye it looks like we've made a surplus on player trading of around £10m during that 7 year period but without wanting to sound like a PR guy for the owners  I think you probably have to read that in the context of trading losses of well over  £100 m during the same period plus, presumably, another substantial deficit for last season 2019/20.

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It's interesting that Waggott talks about a salary cap after the money that has been wasted recently. Aside from overpaying for players (and presumably salaries commensurate with those fees) we have (and still are) paying players not to play, £1.15m in agents fees and ridiculously £30k to fly the team to Cardiff recently.

The buck stops with the management team.

By the way Swag Tax has a nice ring to it ??.

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So a 10 million quid profit on trading yet still eye watering losses on wages and running costs ?

Strange set up but one that seems to suit the host corporation for some reason. Wonder if there's a secret divi bled out somehow on player trading ?  Of more interest would be the agents fees for that table !

Looks like the remit is just to try and keep average annual losses below the 20 million mark rather than go for promotion.

Odd.

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5 hours ago, awhom111 said:

I went through the accounts and looked up the transfer numbers for past seasons since relegation.  The first column is purchases during that year.  It should count all guaranteed payments associated with the transfer, regardless of when they have to be paid.  The second column is cash spent on transfers, regardless of when the purchase was made.  It should include add-on payments made during those periods as well.  The third column is cash received from transfers, regardless of when the sale was made.  It should also include add-on payments received.

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Where is the money for Gally (18/19)  and BB (18/19)?  Have we only paid £4.48m (cash out) of the £11m they cost?

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34 minutes ago, arbitro said:

It's interesting that Waggott talks about a salary cap after the money that has been wasted recently. Aside from overpaying for players (and presumably salaries commensurate with those fees) we have (and still are) paying players not to play, £1.15m in agents fees and ridiculously £30k to fly the team to Cardiff recently.

The buck stops with the management team.

By the way Swag Tax has a nice ring to it ??.

Their nest is well feathered in all this and the owners are swallowing this slow build, transition from midtable to er.. midtable.

Compared to being at Coventry or Charlton this is like running Man City to these fellas they must pinch themselves every payday. Best job in football.  Next couple of seasons will really show if they are dynasty building or taking the piss.

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9 hours ago, JoeH said:

Scott McKenna
Age: 23
Position: Centre-Back
Foot: Left
Club: Aberdeen
Nationality: Scottish ???????
Contract Expiry: 30/06/2023

Player Heat-Map:

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Defensive Capabilities: (In Brackets = Darragh Lenihan Comparison)
Aerial Duels Won %: 66.9% (61%)
Aerial Duels Won Per Game: 8.35 (8.37)
Tackle Success %: 73.7% (65.4%)
Yellow Cards Per Match: 0.14 (0.30)
Interceptions Per Game: 5.14 (7.11)

Passing Capabilities: (In Brackets = Darragh Lenihan Comparison)
Pass Accuracy %: 78.4% (78.9%)
Passes Per Game: 36.7 (43.3)
Passes To Final 3rd Per Game: 6.73 (8.98)
Long Passes Per Game: 6.77 (9.00)

In essence, McKenna is much more rough and tough than Lenihan, a physical presence and a more traditional defender. At 6ft 2" McKenna has a little bit more physicality about his game, and can win a few more headers. He's not a passer, nothing like Tosin, and he doesn't fit Mowbray's style of play particularly well. He has some of the best defensive stats in Scotland however, and his tackling and defensive capabilities are better than, but at the least equal to, Darragh Lenihan's (our undisputed best centre-back).

Being left-footed massively helps him, and would massively help us. A combative centre-half like Lenihan who can comfortably play on the left hand side of a two is exactly what I believe would be great. I think Naby Sarr with his left foot and 6ft 4" presence also fits this bill, and he's a freebie!

 

Thanks Joe for such a detail report on him and the insight into the 

9 hours ago, Hi Mack said:

So now the list is shortening by the day, who realistically are we looking at for CB? 

Mawson, Ayala, Kipre etc. All moved on. It’s looking like the European market or take a chance on the youth......both have their gambles! 
 

who’s everyone’s 1st choice now?

Think we will go into the European market for at least 1 of the centre back we want aswell as Left back. Wages and agents fees would be less

9 hours ago, Swanson said:

My choice for a CB would come from our league back home :

Andreas Hanche-Olsen from Stabæk, 23 years old and their captain. He was also included in the Norway squad against Northern Ireland, would not be an expensive option.

 

Have you "scouted" this guy @JoeH ?

How much do you think he would cost? Look decent. 

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7 minutes ago, AllRoverAsia said:

They have already built a dynasty ....... for themselves.

How 3, very average at best, men can effectively own and operate a football club without paying a penny for it at outset or in maintenance is a masterclass.

Mowbray was going this route at Coventry but their owners were too savvy being somewhat experienced artists themselves.

He did a runner from there, naturally claiming honesty and integrity.

You can fool some of the people all of the time.

But only some.

 

It's like a franchise sponsored by a huge overseas corporation except managing losses is the aim of the game rather than profit.

Still people sat hidden in the middle of it all like brokers imo.

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7 hours ago, Tom said:

Randomly off topic here but how long has lancs live been around, is it an actual print paper or an online thing only?

I only ask because it seems only recent that we’ve had two local journos both being fed the same stories 

A little while. Used to be The Accrington Observer and a few others that have now merged.

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9 hours ago, J*B said:

As far as I’m aware, the real hold up comes from Suhail. He’s the one that the Ewood staff think is responsible for things going to shit. The policy seems to be Venus identifies targets, Mowbray puts them to Waggot (affectionally known as Swag internally), Swag does the negotiation then refers it up to Suhail. Theoretically all that work can be done and then it can be kiboshed at the top. It shouldn’t get to that level and then have anything but an approval. 

Not in the least bit surprised by this. Would go a long way to explain how transfers go down at Ewood since Venkys arrived. Its an absolute shambles, you can't run a football club like you do any other business and as you say it shouldn't go to that clown Suhail for anything other than sign off. 

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9 hours ago, J*B said:

As far as I’m aware, the real hold up comes from Suhail. He’s the one that the Ewood staff think is responsible for things going to shit. The policy seems to be Venus identifies targets, Mowbray puts them to Waggot (affectionally known as Swag internally), Swag does the negotiation then refers it up to Suhail. Theoretically all that work can be done and then it can be kiboshed at the top. It shouldn’t get to that level and then have anything but an approval. 

Good to know we have someone with great footballing knowledge making important decisions on these kind of things...

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