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Just now, Exiled_Rover said:

So if it is Ayala, has he significantly lowered his wage demands, was Swaggot full of shit, or are we panicking and offering him whatever he wants?

Might be mistaken but thought I read that we'd agreed personal terms but obviously the overseas team offered way more when they came in

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Just now, Exiled_Rover said:

So if it is Ayala, has he significantly lowered his wage demands, was Swaggot full of shit, or are we panicking and offering him whatever he wants?

It was said he rejected us for an offer to go to Saudi Arabia. I guess he went there and found out that money isn't everything. That also fits the quarantine aspect of the story.

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I know it is only first day of the season, but the kipre situation does seem a tad strange. 3 centre backs played and hes not in the match day squad. Absolutely battered today and barely had the quality to get out of the championship. As many of us said at the time they need to be aiming a little higher than lower midtable champ defenders to progress.. just seems an all round strange signing to me.

Anyway moving on, rumours of a CB, which is great but the massive and immediate prority is a LB. We should be under self imposed embargo until one is signed.

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3 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said:

So if it is Ayala, has he significantly lowered his wage demands, was Swaggot full of shit, or are we panicking and offering him whatever he wants?

Was he off to Saudi, or was it a Spanish club? If it was Saudi, he may have read up and decided he didn't want to live there. If he isn't going there (or wherever else a deal collapsed) then presumably we were the next highest offer.

Meaning he hasn't lowered his demands, just doesn't have a better offer anymore.

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Just now, briansol said:

It was said he rejected us for an offer to go to Saudi Arabia. I guess he went there and found out that money isn't everything. That also fits the quarantine aspect of the story.

I don't get the comment on twitter about it not being exciting though. Obviously his opinion, but if it is Ayala, I'd find that very exciting.

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6 minutes ago, Ewood Ace said:

Ayala is a good player but even if he signs we will still need another centre back as Lenihan and Ayala are both prone to injuries.

Agreed but at least in Ayala we would have a quality first team defender. Big improvement on what we already have, 

Ayala would be a free transfer so wonder who the player we have a bid in for is.

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23 hours ago, LDRover said:

Think you need to watch it again. He's pressing the ball and as soon as it is squared sprints to close down from where the ball came from. There were 2 other centre mids in Johnson and Travis who were hiding in the back line and made no attempt at all to pressure the goalscorer.

Edit - Arma is 5 yards away from Stacey when he receives the ball and doesn't even move while Holtby makes 15 yards up having defended a short corner. I'd assume Arma got a bollocking for that.

I watched it back and I think I was wrongish in what I said. 

Holtby definitely tries hard to close the ball down, but he is also out of position when the ball is played to their goalscorer and doesn't quite pickup that's where the balls going early enough.

I wouldn't lay the blame at his feet for the goal.

Johnson is in such a weird position for the 1st goal. 

I feel like if we are playing 3 midfielders only then we need more mobility. Johnson and Holtby arent 90 minute players for me. Johnson huffs and puffs, Holtby went very quiet after the hour mark. My worry is you cant have 2 of those 3 midfielders who regularly struggle putting in a full 90 min shift.

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9 minutes ago, BlackburnEnd75 said:

I watched it back and I think I was wrongish in what I said. 

Holtby definitely tries hard to close the ball down, but he is also out of position when the ball is played to their goalscorer and doesn't quite pickup that's where the balls going early enough.

I wouldn't lay the blame at his feet for the goal.

Johnson is in such a weird position for the 1st goal. 

I feel like if we are playing 3 midfielders only then we need more mobility. Johnson and Holtby arent 90 minute players for me. Johnson huffs and puffs, Holtby went very quiet after the hour mark. My worry is you cant have 2 of those 3 midfielders who regularly struggle putting in a full 90 min shift.

I agree. If we are able to land James Garner on loan, I think he could be a major player for us with Travis.

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9 minutes ago, Paul Mani said:

Have you seen him play? 

Not much. Seen him a couple of times on TV and some highlights. Definitely a type we need. Dubbed the next Michael Carrick by Solskjaer. All-action midfielder with a goal threat. United fans have been claiming for his inclusion in the first team for a couple of years. 

Good chance he would be the best midfielder at the club if he came.

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32 minutes ago, BlackburnEnd75 said:

I watched it back and I think I was wrongish in what I said. 

Holtby definitely tries hard to close the ball down, but he is also out of position when the ball is played to their goalscorer and doesn't quite pickup that's where the balls going early enough.

I wouldn't lay the blame at his feet for the goal.

Johnson is in such a weird position for the 1st goal. 

I feel like if we are playing 3 midfielders only then we need more mobility. Johnson and Holtby arent 90 minute players for me. Johnson huffs and puffs, Holtby went very quiet after the hour mark. My worry is you cant have 2 of those 3 midfielders who regularly struggle putting in a full 90 min shift.

Completely agree with the point in bold. I'm a big fan of Holtby and think he's a cut above at this level but he does disappear around the hour mark.

Also noticed you've not dug Travis out on the 1st goal? He was equally culpable with Johnson but seems to get a free pass. I think his form has flat lined since lockdown and he needs to pick it up quickly as we need him on it.

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56 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said:

So if it is Ayala, has he significantly lowered his wage demands, was Swaggot full of shit, or are we panicking and offering him whatever he wants?

Or was he one of players who agreed terms and was having a medical but he went to Middle East?.

Now he been for talks and seen the area he doesnt fancy regardless of terms

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5 minutes ago, briansol said:

Wouldn't Ayala fit that criteria? Esp if he has went to Saudi Arabia and changed his mind?

Yes he would, but he wrote that we made a bid for a domestic CB. Ayala is a free transfer, so no need to bid. Could just be phrasing though.

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