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A couple of weeks ago it was claimed that we were after another GK, two CBs, another LB and hopefully also another CM and RB. That's 4 additions hopefully up to 6.

Since then we've signed Ayala. An admittedly impressive signing i didn't expect us to manage to pull off. But nobody else.

Now Mowbray is talking about choosing between 1 permanent signing or a couple of loans. Quite a way off the 4-6 incomings mentioned. Also making one more permanent signing with the budget doesn't quite stack up with the 'dominoes' talk after the Tuesday Ayala announcement.

So either Mowbray is being very canny with his comments and there's more up his sleeve, or he's been having us on with his earlier comments, or he's blown nearly all the budget on one good CB at the expense of other positions.

We will find out but there's something that doesn't add up.

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Just now, JHRover said:

A couple of weeks ago it was claimed that we were after another GK, two CBs, another LB and hopefully also another CM and RB. That's 4 additions hopefully up to 6.

Since then we've signed Ayala. An admittedly impressive signing i didn't expect us to manage to pull off. But nobody else.

Now Mowbray is talking about choosing between 1 permanent signing or a couple of loans. Quite a way off the 4-6 incomings mentioned. Also making one more permanent signing with the budget doesn't quite stack up with the 'dominoes' talk after the Tuesday Ayala announcement.

So either Mowbray is being very canny with his comments and there's more up his sleeve, or he's been having us on with his earlier comments, or he's blown nearly all the budget on one good CB at the expense of other positions.

We will find out but there's something that doesn't add up.

It's not the first time that recruitment expectations have steadily dwindled through the course of the window, but I think you're right. Something isn't quite adding up. Whether it's a reliance on King, Raya or Williams being sold, the financial people changing their minds as covid cases rise again, Ayala costing a bomb, the self-confessed 'poor negotiator' strategically downplaying our actual financial muscle, some combination of these, or something else entirely, the picture has changed quite quickly even by our usual standards.

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36 minutes ago, Stuart said:

There will always be one worst player. I’m just glad it’s no longer Jason Lowe.

Bell has struggled to adapt to the Championship. He just seems to lack confidence. His final ball is always awful or doesn’t even take place.

The trick is not to upgrade on your worst players though, it’s to upgrade on your best ones so by default the worst ones ease themselves out of contention.

Agree and disagree i think he now has the opportunity to make a big step forwards with replacing Bell. He has money and is pitching left backs but is it just because we are short rather than to upgrade ?

These are the kind of things that can make a difference so if your better players have a good season they aren't being let down by the usual weak points. He's the weakest one if Mowbray bottles it in favour of back up players he'll get pelters again when it goes wrong. I pray he doesn't over think this one and convince himself we'll get by with Bell and a loaned back up.

These are the differences Tony don't fluff it.

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9 minutes ago, JHRover said:

A couple of weeks ago it was claimed that we were after another GK, two CBs, another LB and hopefully also another CM and RB. That's 4 additions hopefully up to 6.

Since then we've signed Ayala. An admittedly impressive signing i didn't expect us to manage to pull off. But nobody else.

Now Mowbray is talking about choosing between 1 permanent signing or a couple of loans. Quite a way off the 4-6 incomings mentioned. Also making one more permanent signing with the budget doesn't quite stack up with the 'dominoes' talk after the Tuesday Ayala announcement.

So either Mowbray is being very canny with his comments and there's more up his sleeve, or he's been having us on with his earlier comments, or he's blown nearly all the budget on one good CB at the expense of other positions.

We will find out but there's something that doesn't add up.

Perhaps this is his version of negotiating to bring the price of our targets down. Can't see it myself, he's more of a 'say what you see' kinda guy. 

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9 minutes ago, JHRover said:

So either Mowbray is being very canny with his comments and there's more up his sleeve, or he's been having us on with his earlier comments, or he's blown nearly all the budget on one good CB at the expense of other positions.

You can be assured what any of them say in public is vastly different to the conversations and actions going on behind the scenes

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34 minutes ago, Ossydave said:

There are no sources anymore in this circus. I used to get regular info and its long gone. Anything now is half arsed guess work.

It wasn't a good time when the club was leaking info like a colander to be honest.

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57 minutes ago, Bbrovers2288 said:

I stopped last season for same reason, it’s a thankless task and the hassle isn’t worth it. I appreciate info and know very well that things are more likely to go tits up than fall into place. Some folk just like being negative 

Never understood the pitch forks mentality when people's info doesn't pan out.  It's a message board not a court room under oath.

Without a bit of input there'd be nowt to get wound  up about.

 

I know some of the replies are tongue in cheek and that's fair enough but basically accusing people of making stuff up for a bit of attention is just weird.

Keep posting any info for those of us that can cope with a bit of bar room gossip?

 

Anyway, I'll leave it there.  I'm off to stalk that **** Madon seeing as Assambalonga still hasn't rocked up.?

 

 

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56 minutes ago, JoeH said:

Look, people can criticise, mock and disbelieve. I think going forward I’ll be saying nothing, people love to shut down anyone who shares anything they’ve heard.

I get why people can feel conned, but I only posted what I’d been told. I don’t take any enjoyment from transfers being delayed, transfers going wrong or being given false info, I don’t know why people think that would be done from posters purposefully.

I was extremely careful only to share what I knew/was told and nothing more, I never gave a name because I didn’t know one. I’ll be saying nothing more on it, and anyone else who feels like having a jibe or a dig can cope with being ignored.

Something I actually agree with you on. You only shared what you were told from somebody else. Not your fault and there is no smoke without fire anyway, something must have happened as it was not only you that that mentioned something. Wigglebum did too. 

Besides, transfer threads would be a bit boring without a bit of gossip.

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Just confused by most of the posts on here.

Somebody thinks we have a hole in midfield.

Must have swollen Johnson, Holtby, Rothwell, Buckley, Evans, Davenport, even Bennett and Rankin-Costello before taking into consideration our long term injuries.

5-0 and we are all miserable.

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Just now, philipl said:

Just confused by most of the posts on here.

Somebody thinks we have a hole in midfield.

Must have swollen Johnson, Holtby, Rothwell, Buckley, Evans, Davenport, even Bennett and Rankin-Costello before taking into consideration our long term injuries.

5-0 and we are all miserable.

Certainly not miserable about the performance and result. But fair to say looking at that crop of midfielders I don't feel overly inspired in terms of any sort of tilt towards the top 6. Couple of injuries and we'd be putting a weak weak team out. 

I think at this point I'd take a LB and CM as our only other business. They're the 2 crucial positions for me now

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3 minutes ago, philipl said:

Just confused by most of the posts on here.

Somebody thinks we have a hole in midfield.

Must have swollen Johnson, Holtby, Rothwell, Buckley, Evans, Davenport, even Bennett and Rankin-Costello before taking into consideration our long term injuries.

5-0 and we are all miserable.

Yup, I agree that Travis is a big loss but we have good numbers there of adequate (not Travis standard quality). Johnson had a great game, as did Rothwell and Holtby. We then have Evans, Davenport, JRC, Bennett, and even Dack has to feature somewhere when he gets back.

At LB, we have Bell. Followed by one of our CBs, JRC (out of position) and then Bennett.(out of position).

Sorting CM would come after LB for me. 

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6 minutes ago, philipl said:

Just confused by most of the posts on here.

Somebody thinks we have a hole in midfield.

Must have swollen Johnson, Holtby, Rothwell, Buckley, Evans, Davenport, even Bennett and Rankin-Costello before taking into consideration our long term injuries.

5-0 and we are all miserable.

If we were playing Wycombe every week we'd be OK , but we aren't.

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6 minutes ago, philipl said:

Just confused by most of the posts on here.

Somebody thinks we have a hole in midfield.

Must have swollen Johnson, Holtby, Rothwell, Buckley, Evans, Davenport, even Bennett and Rankin-Costello before taking into consideration our long term injuries.

5-0 and we are all miserable.

Bit unfair. Nothing to do with the result wharsoever! Can make a judgement on the squad and be happy about the result. The two are not mutually exclusive. 

Certainly on first glance it appears we are more than covered there but I've said before quantity over quality and reliability. Two injury prone in Evans and Holtby, Johnson isn't great fitness wise and Buckley and JRC are needed elsewhere. Rothwells emergence there does mitigate things somewhat but even so, we are gambling on a lot of players staying fit, doing ok and not being needed elsewhere. To me that is a big gamble. 

Incidentally I would say left back and reserve keeper are more pressing issues but that doesn't mean all is ok in midfield. 

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A new LB and a better back up keeper and I would be happy with that providing Williams stays. More would be nice clearly, but we have the depth to cover other positions. A quality over quantity approach is very appropriate. A good left back and a bit of luck with injuries and we have a chance I feel. 

I also feel that Mowbray says something different everytime that he's asked about transfers. He is possibly bluffing or maybe doesnt really know what transfers will come in as he is waiting for sell on fees or approval from Venkys who often decide to flash the cash just before the deadline. I also think he probably wants Manning and is pleading poverty or distracting other potential interested parties. We just need to wait until the deadline closes to see where we are. We are basically all completely clueless.

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34 minutes ago, tomphil said:

Agree and disagree i think he now has the opportunity to make a big step forwards with replacing Bell. He has money and is pitching left backs but is it just because we are short rather than to upgrade ?

These are the kind of things that can make a difference so if your better players have a good season they aren't being let down by the usual weak points. He's the weakest one if Mowbray bottles it in favour of back up players he'll get pelters again when it goes wrong. I pray he doesn't over think this one and convince himself we'll get by with Bell and a loaned back up.

These are the differences Tony don't fluff it.

Personally I think Bell has something about him.

But like Chapman he isn’t showing it.

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Bell is League 1 standard and will never be any more than that. The lad is 26, he's not going to suddenly become significantly better than he already is at this point. Much like Lenihan people seem to think Bell is a lot younger than he actually is. These players are pretty much coming into their prime years now, development is pretty much done. 

With Bell at LB we will have a massive weakness down that flank the entire season and it will be a huge hindrance. If we signed nobody else at this point other than a decent LB, even on loan, at this point I'd take it. We can make do with the rest (although I'd be pretty worried if Kaminski or Armstrong got injured).

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31 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

If we were playing Wycombe every week we'd be OK , but we aren't.

But last season both charlton and Luton worked us over at the beginning of the season. This season we narrowly lost to the promotion favourites after outplaying them and whooped one of the new boys with ease! Test is how we do next week at Derby

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8 minutes ago, 1864roverite said:

But last season both charlton and Luton worked us over at the beginning of the season. This season we narrowly lost to the promotion favourites after outplaying them and whooped one of the new boys with ease! Test is how we do next week at Derby

Should be interesting with Derby getting off to a terrible start again.  

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1 hour ago, JoeH said:

Same. Don't know a name, and I never claimed Manning was the one.

I still think you could be spot on JoeH. I'm just hoping he's got a LB already signed up as you had heard. If he's not yet in a position to name them, then why not say it isn't as much of a priority i.e. I've got someone, but I'm not going to disclose that today. He's also said that Manning, would be a costly deal, so if he has got someone, he won't have splashed the cash in doing so. He's still going to need Bell as back up, so regardless of who it is, he's hardly going to throw Bell under a bus and say he's crap. Probably a load of bobbins on my part, but then again I am the eternal optimist.

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source Lancs Live website. From Mowbray during his post match interview

Is there anything you can tell us on Ryan Manning?

"No. That's a name you've just thrown at me. It's not true. I think Ryan Manning is a very good footballer, I imagine QPR are not going to let him walk away.

"We haven't got any money to buy anybody. How much is Ryan Manning going to cross? If you're going to buy a player, you have to buy the player and then you have to give him a salary.

"So I would say there is enough money to buy one player who can help us to get to where we want to be or we could loan two or three players and use that money as salary, which just becomes dead money at your club at the end of the year.

"Our decision is ultimately whether to loan some players who are going to help us in a one-off season or are we going to buy one player who can be ours?

"But then we've got more than one position that we feel we need to strengthen or cover, it's a difficult conundrum for us, somewhere along the line we'll see what falls in place.

"If not, you saw the team today, there is a lot of young players who are doing the job. How young is that team today? It's a pretty young group of footballers who are trying their best and yet I know, and maybe you know as well, that it's very difficult to maintain consistency with seven or eight U23 players in your team all season.

"We would like to strengthen in certain areas or cover in certain areas because we know the games are going to come thick and fast.

"I know exactly to the penny how much we've got but it's probably a couple of loans or a signing, I would suggest, and I'm not sure I'd want to spend it all on Ryan Manning when we've got Amari'i Bell doing ok, so there's other areas I feel we need to strengthen first."

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