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It isn't just a poor decision. A poor decision would be to have replaced Raya will an adequate and competent keeper that was contracted to the club and worth value to the club, albeit not as good or valuable as Raya.

To take the money, sign a loan and be sat here with no keeper and probably no money whilst Raya wins the golden glove, possibly promotion with Brentford and is attracting Premier League interest?

Well I'd describe that as a balls up of epic proportions, unacceptable and at any normal club the manager wouldn't have even been allowed to do it, but having done so he would he hauled into the boardroom and taken to task.

But this doesn't happen when you allow the manager control over the club and let him appoint his mate as CEO and assistant as Head of Football or whatever he is.

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Raya is an amazing shot stopper who was prone to the odd gaff. Walton wasn't even an amazing shot stopper. If Raya had been in our goals this season we'd have got more points.

Some good shouts for keepers on here, there are plenty that should be attainable. The Charlton keeper is a good shout, I like Marshall at Wigan and then there are tons of good foreign keepers availabl

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2 hours ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

I agree with your comments on Raya. Although he made a couple of serious mistakes I still thought he had enough about him to be persisted with. Especially as we appeared not to have a ready made replacement in the offing. He was capable of draw dropping saves on occasions so obviously the ability was there, I've hardly seen his replacement make one in a full season. Raya's judgement needed working on but that should have been done. He was clearly shown the door by Mowbray's treatment of him, I don't think he had itchy feet before that moment. 

Like i said i wasn't a huge fan i'm always more keen on a steady pair of hands in the sticks who might not claw jaw droppers out the top corner but won't gift wrap 9 points per season either.  Always thought though that Raya should have had proper competition and an experienced coach so he could take a step back and come again if needed.

At his age with his ability he was definitely worth pulling the stops out to try and make him into what he'll probably now become. Thing is though if they get promoted and if he gets snapped up for good money that's a hell of a lot of money for Rovers for doing very little.  

Good business but not necessarily good for the progress of the team.  Then again if they'd pulled their fingers out and either had another decent keeper on the books or stopped penny pinching in that berth and bought one when he left there wouldn't be this mither.

So again the buck stops in the usual places.

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30 minutes ago, tomphil said:

Like i said i wasn't a huge fan i'm always more keen on a steady pair of hands in the sticks who might not claw jaw droppers out the top corner but won't gift wrap 9 points per season either.  Always thought though that Raya should have had proper competition and an experienced coach so he could take a step back and come again if needed.

At his age with his ability he was definitely worth pulling the stops out to try and make him into what he'll probably now become. Thing is though if they get promoted and if he gets snapped up for good money that's a hell of a lot of money for Rovers for doing very little.  

Good business but not necessarily good for the progress of the team.  Then again if they'd pulled their fingers out and either had another decent keeper on the books or stopped penny pinching in that berth and bought one when he left there wouldn't be this mither.

So again the buck stops in the usual places.

We could have had the whole £10 million if we'd have played our cards right with him.

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2 hours ago, JHRover said:

It isn't just a poor decision. A poor decision would be to have replaced Raya will an adequate and competent keeper that was contracted to the club and worth value to the club, albeit not as good or valuable as Raya.

Not having this.  The guy made cock up after cock up last season, his decision making was crap and his kicking even worse..his coming for crosses is questionable too.

I don't care about his next club, Mowbray should have replaced him with competency. My opinion Raya is shyte and people have short memories. 

 

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No thanks. 

As I've said a few times on here, goalkeeping standards in my opinion are at rock bottom at the moment and have been for the last 5 years or so. 

God knows who we will end up with, but as long as he can do a cruyff turn in his own 6 yard box and spray 60 yard balls out to the wing, that seems to be the criteria these days

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Just now, Sparks Rover said:

Not having this.  The guy made cock up after cock up last season, his decision making was crap and his kicking even worse..his coming for crosses is questionable too.

I don't care about his next club, Mowbray should have replaced him with competency. My opinion Raya is shyte and people have short memories. 

 

And this season he is best keeper in league, could get promoted and now linked to top PL teams. Says more about our handling of him than just "he is shyte". Says sometyhing about your opinion too. He had a bad injury last season if you remember but anyone can see the lad was big potential. 

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Just now, JacknOry said:

And this season he is best keeper in league, could get promoted and now linked to top PL teams. Says more about our handling of him than just "he is shyte". Says sometyhing about your opinion too. He had a bad injury last season if you remember but anyone can see the lad was big potential. 

Sorry,don't agree. Too small, woeful on the floor under pressure. Cock ups city.  Been very lucky behind a good defence.  He even pushed on out the other day to the centre forward whi scored....he cost them automatic promotion 

We can differ in opinion though,  can't we?

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14 minutes ago, Sparks Rover said:

Not having this.  The guy made cock up after cock up last season, his decision making was crap and his kicking even worse..his coming for crosses is questionable too.

I don't care about his next club, Mowbray should have replaced him with competency. My opinion Raya is shyte and people have short memories. 

 

Shite is harsh, but people are definitely viewing him with rose coloured glasses.

He was an excellent shot stopper. The rest of his game was poor. 

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38 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said:

Shite is harsh, but people are definitely viewing him with rose coloured glasses.

He was an excellent shot stopper. The rest of his game was poor. 

Ok, shite too harsh...

When he doesn't have to think, good goalie....when he does have to think, rubbish goalie 

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2 hours ago, Sparks Rover said:

Not having this.  The guy made cock up after cock up last season, his decision making was crap and his kicking even worse..his coming for crosses is questionable too.

I don't care about his next club, Mowbray should have replaced him with competency. My opinion Raya is shyte and people have short memories. 

 

Perhaps Mowbray should then compare Raya's performances at Brentford to those at Rovers and question why he has gone from being such a problem here to arguably the best keeper in this division in less than 12 months.

I agree he did make mistakes last season. Now look at him under different coaches. Perhaps that is the issue Mowbray should be addressing.

Instead it is shoulder shrug stuff whilst be go shopping in the bargain aisle to find a couple of decent keepers. 

What a terrible and preventable position to be in.

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Kean, Steele, Raya, Walton ...

All young lads all learning on the job here and all flappy or unpredictable because of the young and learning bit.

Until we step away and get someone who's learnt somewhere else for a few years the process will just repeat itself.  Of course we are just fans with opinions yet some are paid thousands per week and still can't seem to grasp this.

Nob End  ( yes i know them again but TM started it ) needed a young cheap keeper so they found one, loaned him to see then signed him and he's been in the sticks a few years finishing above us.  They wanted a decent defender without having the means for a fee loan or otherwise or huge wages, they found one and signed him.

Now if they can manage it why not us ?  We have or at least had the means to shop in the aisle or two above them.

What's the common denominator in all this ?

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Raya had his faults as had Walton but both have had poor defences in front of them at their time at Rovers. I've not seen enough of Raya this season to say if his improved performance is due to a better defence in front of him or he has improved as a keeper.

Personally I don't think there are many good keepers at present but maybe it is the modern balls which don't help. I've heard that next season's premiership balls are being designed to travel straighter and maybe keepers may look better then. 

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I wonder if we looking Heinz Lindner, a keeper who experience of Austria Bundesliga and German Bundesliga 2. 30 years old and out of contract. Plus 28 caps for Austria 

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/heinz-lindner/profil/spieler/59082

here any some of his saves and goalkeeper moments

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=heinz+lindner&&view=detail&mid=4F2F18EC62D583D1D8B14F2F18EC62D583D1D8B1&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dheinz%2Blindner%26FORM%3DHDRSC3

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On 26/07/2020 at 11:49, bigbrandjohn said:

That’s for clean sheets isn’t it? Much more of team award than individual IMO. He faced the second fewest shots on goal in the league behind Leeds.

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On 26/07/2020 at 20:02, chaddyrovers said:

I wonder if we looking Heinz Lindner, a keeper who experience of Austria Bundesliga and German Bundesliga 2. 30 years old and out of contract. Plus 28 caps for Austria 

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/heinz-lindner/profil/spieler/59082

here any some of his saves and goalkeeper moments

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=heinz+lindner&&view=detail&mid=4F2F18EC62D583D1D8B14F2F18EC62D583D1D8B1&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dheinz%2Blindner%26FORM%3DHDRSC3

That was the lad I recommended last year 

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On 26/07/2020 at 19:58, Oldgregg86 said:

Just saved a penalty to keep it 0-0 in the play offs and been impeccable all game ?‍♂️

Except for that stonewall penalty he should have given away.

Ref felt guilty for sending off Henry, otherwise it's another Raya clanger.

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3 hours ago, Exiled_Rover said:

Our local media have no clue, let's be honest.

Who knows what Mowbray says to them off the record..

With only 12 months left of contract and Charlton relegated I would imagine we could get him for 500k. Other Championship clubs are interested in him

 

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