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18 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Mount can play there and could be discipline in there. 

I really dont think Centre midfield is a problem. Against the major nations Rice and Philips will play. Right way probably allowing Mount, Foden and Sterling behind Kane  

I dont see France as Favourite at all. Probably Belgium. But the Euros will be wide open especially with the pandemic around in mainland Europe. 

Do you think Kalvin Phillips and Declan Rice have the quality against the likes of France, Belgium etc? Jordan Henderson is proven as better than them both but is an injury doubt.

If that is the team, theres no real threat in behind when Kane drops off. Needs more pace, in my opinion from Sancho but Saka and Rashford are also alternatives.

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Just play less internationals full stop, then you don’t have to make up a convoluted competition to replace friendlies. All you need is Qualifiers, a few warm up games before a tournament and the tour

Originally had four right backs in the squad, so the final game before the tournament... GS plays a centre half there. 😐 He been meeting up with TM for tactical masterclasses or what?

Elgar's Land of Hope and Glory is far superior to the dirgy GSTQ, more upbeat and a better celebration of "Englishness".  Elgar was a football fan too - a Wolves supporter - which makes it perfec

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11 minutes ago, K-Hod said:

To be fair, I don’t think I’ve seen you suggest that. I’ve seen you suggest Mount ahead of Maddison, Grealish or Foden, which I don’t agree with at all, but that’s up to you obviously.

I feel like I mention this too often, but two defensive midfielders is overly negative.

Here I suggested playing 4-3-3 with Foden, Rice and Mount in midfield 3

https://www.brfcs.com/forums/topic/32147-premier-league-stuff/?do=findComment&comment=2183727

 

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9 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Here I suggested playing 4-3-3 with Foden, Rice and Mount in midfield 3

https://www.brfcs.com/forums/topic/32147-premier-league-stuff/?do=findComment&comment=2183727

 

Right, but that’s not the exact same as Mount playing further back....

Anyhow, I would actually not mind that, anything bar the two sitting midfielders. If they were more box to box, it wouldn’t be so bad, but they aren’t really attacking at all!

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36 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Do you think Kalvin Phillips and Declan Rice have the quality against the likes of France, Belgium etc? Jordan Henderson is proven as better than them both but is an injury doubt.

If that is the team, theres no real threat in behind when Kane drops off. Needs more pace, in my opinion from Sancho but Saka and Rashford are also alternatives.

Henderson wont be fit so its looks like Rice and Phillips. Until they play against them we wont know.

Sterling and Foden can run in behind like they do for City..

Will Saka, Rashford and Sancho be fit by then?

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In fact I would suggest that whilst our attacking talent will ensure that we get through the group comfortably I would suggest, especially with the new format, the averageness of a midfield with Rice and Phillips in it would not stand out even in the group. Croatia with Modric, Brozovic, Kovacic etc will certainly dominate in there whilst even Scotland and Czech Republic have midfielders like McGinn, McTominay and Soucek who are probably just as good as those 2. We need Henderson fit really.

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4 hours ago, K-Hod said:

 

I feel like I mention this too often, but two defensive midfielders is overly negative.

I think Southgates decided safety first is the best option. Just don't concede and with the attacking players we have we will always have a chance.

He's shown in recent games against big teams like Belgium he will not only play two defensive midfielders but also 3 at the back to boot. So very conservative.

I reckon we will probably play 2 or 3 different formations during the euros. Southgate fancies himself as a bit of a Bielsa who can switch things up.

I don't mind it personally, he's trying a few different things with a focus on defensive stability and he's bringing a lot of new players through who are performing well. Reckon he gets unfair stick. 

Poland will be a better measure as they will try and come out a bit more unlike Albania.

In the last analysis I don't think any manager could get this group of players to reliably beat Belgium or France, we just don't have the same experience and quality (yet). With the players he's got he's done pretty well.

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I thought Declan Rice was superb yesterday.  He was disciplined.  Used the ball really well. Covered the back 4. Hes turning into a top player.  Kalvin Phillips is out of his depth im afraid.  Mount is becoming world class.  When sancho grealish rashford saka come back we will have one hell of a team. Not many countries have the depth of kane rashford mount saka sancho sterling dcl grealish foden as attacking options.  Shaw and chilwell are excellent leftbacks trippier james trent at right back.  I think our centreback options are decent. Just that central midfielder.  Someone more creative alongside Rice.  Alot of the big nations are overrated.  Spain look mediocre.  Portugal flatter to deceive.  Belgium look ordinary right now. Germany are struggling.  Even France look off colour.  I would say the euros are a realistic possibility 

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9 hours ago, jim mk2 said:

It isn't. It's average, with an average manager

I've been watching England for 60 years. England always fail

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2009/aug/09/why-england-lose-simon-kuper

We over-achieved in 1966, apart from that we have more or less reached our capabilities. Perhaps what has failed to be reached, are your expectations.  

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5 hours ago, roverandout said:

No it isn't.  Its a very strong squad.  Possibly the strongest we've had in years

So was the golden generation, apparently. I agree we have a good squad but we always do. Its never good enough to win and we're usually disappointed. 

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1 hour ago, JacknOry said:

So was the golden generation, apparently. I agree we have a good squad but we always do. Its never good enough to win and we're usually disappointed. 

Yes the previous golden generation was sidetracked by club allegiance.  This group don't seem to have that.  We are more than good enough to win something.  Outside of France its anyone's between England Portugal Belgium.  I don't see Italy being good enough.  Germany don't have enough depth.  Spain are pretty average right now.  Holland lack in so many areas. I wouldn’t swap our attacking options for ANYONE.  I think this euro might be a bit too early but semi final is definitely realistic 

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26 minutes ago, roverandout said:

Yes the previous golden generation was sidetracked by club allegiance.  This group don't seem to have that.  We are more than good enough to win something.  Outside of France its anyone's between England Portugal Belgium.  I don't see Italy being good enough.  Germany don't have enough depth.  Spain are pretty average right now.  Holland lack in so many areas. I wouldn’t swap our attacking options for ANYONE.  I think this euro might be a bit too early but semi final is definitely realistic 

France should have won it last time and didn't. If they have a weakness it's at goalkeeper. 

England have talent, can Southgate best out of them?

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Who do we pick as keeper?  Poor Pope had nothing to do for the last two games.

I'd have Pickford simply for his better footwork. But is Pope better for saves against the stronger sides? I really don't know.

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5 minutes ago, Sparks Rover said:

No.

We can't defend against quality teams. 

It would seem that way. Croatia, Belgium twice, Holland all beat England recently. With opposition goals coming from out of nowhere. Naiivete perhaps.

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19 minutes ago, speeeeeeedie said:

It would seem that way. Croatia, Belgium twice, Holland all beat England recently. With opposition goals coming from out of nowhere. Naiivete perhaps.

Do u mean naivety 

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27 minutes ago, bazza said:

Who do we pick as keeper?  Poor Pope had nothing to do for the last two games.

I'd have Pickford simply for his better footwork. But is Pope better for saves against the stronger sides? I really don't know.

Pick Pickford gets too excited for me...pope is my preferred keeper

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I agree that Pope is a better ‘keeper, Pickford seems to make howlers for days at club level. 
I honestly think though, as I don’t immediately recall him messing up for England (happy to be corrected if my memory is letting me down), Southgate will stick with him....

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53 minutes ago, K-Hod said:

I agree that Pope is a better ‘keeper, Pickford seems to make howlers for days at club level. 
I honestly think though, as I don’t immediately recall him messing up for England (happy to be corrected if my memory is letting me down), Southgate will stick with him....

Hes never let England down 

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defensively england are very poor and will always be caught out when playing against the best,our defensive capability ended with rio,terry,cole and neville,there has`nt been an england defender iv`e trusted since the the above all retired,kyle walker especially should`nt be anywhere near the national side,he`s a liabilty who can`t work out when to  go forward or stay back

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5 hours ago, roverandout said:

Yes the previous golden generation was sidetracked by club allegiance.  This group don't seem to have that.  We are more than good enough to win something.  Outside of France its anyone's between England Portugal Belgium.  I don't see Italy being good enough.  Germany don't have enough depth.  Spain are pretty average right now.  Holland lack in so many areas. I wouldn’t swap our attacking options for ANYONE.  I think this euro might be a bit too early but semi final is definitely realistic 

It would be a brave fan who would be confident of an England win if we play Spain, Italy, Germany, Netherlands (all sides you say we are definitely better than). I reckon we'd be roughly 50/50 against all of those to be honest and Portugal also. They've all got good players, we have a weak defence. France and Belgium would definitely expect to beat us.

In terms of expectation we should maybe expect to beat everyone not mentioned above (but even then I wouldn't be that confident against the likes of Croatia and Denmark who have very good teams) but after that all bets are off for me.

Should be a really good tournament in terms of competitive games.

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