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Strange balance to the squad, Southgate has been indecisive and weak in choosing all 4 right backs simply because he can not decide who is the best. At a push, take 3.

The argument that they "can play elsewhere" is not a strong one either, all 4 are predominantly right backs. If we want one to cover midfield, it would have made sense to actually pick a central midfielder, even if it is someone like Ward Prowse who isnt necessarily great, he would be a much more useful central midfielder than Alexander Arnold/James because the position is totally different to which they play, the angles, the distances, you cant just throw one in midfield in a major tournament like that.

We look really strong at full back obviously and also in attacking midfield, the key is to play the right ones, I would say that Sterling and Rashford dont warrant places at the moment, so for me Sancho has to play to keep some pace, and then it would be Foden and Mount or Grealish. We look short in goal where none of the options inspire and at centre back where past the main 2, one of whom is injured, we look weak. Mings is very average and Coady is really underwhelming especially in a 2. We also look short in central midfield, we need Henderson to be fit as beyond him and Rice, there isnt too much. Bellingham is a refreshing choice, Phillips is ok, think we could have done with another in there.

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1 minute ago, roverandout said:

The 4 rightbacks are more than that. They can play in a number of positions.  Better to have versatility than a stagnant rigid squad of players.  I think this is our most exciting squad in 20 years. As of jwp. Hes very limited.  He doesn't have any real influence in midfield other than set peices.  Southgate is finally bringing through exciting young players and people still moan

Its not about moaning, there is plenty to be excited about, but why take a 4th right back who "can" play in midfield or someone who can play that role competently and give us depth in an area where we look short in a tournament where we can take 3 extras. You cant play players who have played their careers at right back/right wing back and shove them in a position whereby on paper they may have some useful attributes when in practice they have little to no understanding of how to play in that position?

At the end of the day, an England squad for a major tournament is there to be constructively criticised. I am sure (with validity!) that you wouldnt tell people to "stop moaning" if they criticised a Rovers squad!

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9 minutes ago, Meesh said:

Where have Alexander-Arnold, Trippier, Walker, and James played apart from right-back?

Walker has played right centreback.  James has played midfield right centreback.  Trippier has played rightback leftback wingback.  Trent has played rightback right wingback 

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7 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Its not about moaning, there is plenty to be excited about, but why take a 4th right back who "can" play in midfield or someone who can play that role competently and give us depth in an area where we look short in a tournament where we can take 3 extras. You cant play players who have played their careers at right back/right wing back and shove them in a position whereby on paper they may have some useful attributes when in practice they have little to no understanding of how to play in that position?

At the end of the day, an England squad for a major tournament is there to be constructively criticised. I am sure (with validity!) that you wouldnt tell people to "stop moaning" if they criticised a Rovers squad!

I agree but James has been excellent at centreback.  Hes also great going forward.  Walker was very impressive for most of the world cup games bar the semifinal 

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1 minute ago, roverandout said:

I agree but James has been excellent at centreback.  Hes also great going forward.  Walker was very impressive for most of the world cup games bar the semifinal 

It would have made much more sense IMO to remove Trippier and include another CM or even a CB considering that Maguire is struggling with injury and is a doubt for the first game.

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I don’t think it’s ‘moaning’ to query the selection of four right backs.

When has that happened before? It was bound to be a talking point....

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2 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

It would have made much more sense IMO to remove Trippier and include another CM or even a CB considering that Maguire is struggling with injury and is a doubt for the first game.

Trippier has been phenomenal for atleti this season.  He was in la liga team of the season.  So I guess when u have 4 interchangeable fullbacks who are world class its hard. I don't think jwp is up to international football.  I think Bellingham will start if Henderson isn't fit

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Only way the 4 right backs make sense is if we are playing a wing back system. So James and Walker are RCB's and Tripper and Trent are wing backs. Personally I feel that is our stronger overall formation too. 

However if we begin to see Trent pushed into midfield I will be livid as that would be a true square peg. The players selected only work in a wing back system.

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Lingard is left out, but for some reason he is starting the game tomorrow against Austria....🤷‍♂️ 

Looks like we have a Mogadonesque manager in charge, wants to be everyone's friend and we will end up nowhere.

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15 minutes ago, Sparks Rover said:

Lingard is left out, but for some reason he is starting the game tomorrow against Austria....🤷‍♂️ 

Surely not. that would be utterly pointless!

Said it before the only thing holding this England side back is the man in charge. 

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1 hour ago, Sparks Rover said:

Lingard is left out, but for some reason he is starting the game tomorrow against Austria....🤷‍♂️ 

Looks like we have a Mogadonesque manager in charge, wants to be everyone's friend and we will end up nowhere.

Yeah, really weird decision. 

As you say, Southgate now taking tips off Mowbray!

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1 hour ago, Sparks Rover said:

Lingard is left out, but for some reason he is starting the game tomorrow against Austria....🤷‍♂️ 

Looks like we have a Mogadonesque manager in charge, wants to be everyone's friend and we will end up nowhere.

Yeah, really really can't fathom the sense in playing someone whose not in the squad when you have 26 who are!!! Madness.

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2 hours ago, ben_the_beast said:

Only way the 4 right backs make sense is if we are playing a wing back system. So James and Walker are RCB's and Tripper and Trent are wing backs. Personally I feel that is our stronger overall formation too. 

However if we begin to see Trent pushed into midfield I will be livid as that would be a true square peg. The players selected only work in a wing back system.

Based on our qualifiers I think we will play 433 against Czech and Scotland but 343 against Croatia.

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4 hours ago, Oldgregg86 said:

Probably would of sacrificed sako or one of the RBS  for Watkins other than that it’s a good strong squad .  I complaints from me. Should be a good tournament COYW

Saka is much better than Watkins.

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9 hours ago, Exiled_Rover said:

Saka is much better than Watkins.

Not as an out and out striker, through the middle with his back to goal as an alternative option to kane if he gets injured, tactical change or to save his legs he isnt.

similar situation with all rbs. we already have foden, sanche, Sterling etc . Watkins offers something different. I don’t think sako offers anything different to what we already have in abundance. 

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The right back situation will speak for itself when we see the formation. My guess is that he sees James as more of a right sided centre half.

If Southgate decides to play 5 at the back it leaves Walker / James as the right side, Stones / Coady as central, Maguire / Mings as the left side. That depth is probably about right. 
 

In truth we may need to play 5 at the back to counter a bad midfield. Ward-Prowse is unlucky to miss out. He’s a cracking player with a wand of a foot and those set piece specialists are huge in tournament football. Luckily for us we have capable back up in Trippier. 
 

Overall I think the squad is as strong as it could be. Greenwood is the biggest miss but that was injury related. I think Saka got in because of that. That said Saka has played everywhere for Arsenal this year and has had a good season.

 

Key is to get Henderson fit and hope him and Rice can anchor that midfield well enough to let our brilliant attacking options thrive. 

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Ps: I bet people would moan if Mount, Rashford etc got injured tonight when he could have game them a rest! They last played on Saturday after a pretty gruelling season. It makes sense to protect the players you want starting in the tournament. It isn’t like they will be unfit. 

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1 hour ago, Dreams of 1995 said:

Ps: I bet people would moan if Mount, Rashford etc got injured tonight when he could have game them a rest! They last played on Saturday after a pretty gruelling season. It makes sense to protect the players you want starting in the tournament. It isn’t like they will be unfit. 

I guess my point is out of 26 players surely if Mount and Rashford etc need a break others could be used rather than someone not in the squad. Just play A-A in midfield or whatever. At least then you get to see the players who are actually going. 

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3 hours ago, Oldgregg86 said:

Not as an out and out striker, through the middle with his back to goal as an alternative option to kane if he gets injured, tactical change or to save his legs he isnt.

similar situation with all rbs. we already have foden, sanche, Sterling etc . Watkins offers something different. I don’t think sako offers anything different to what we already have in abundance. 

His name is still Saka and we have Calvert-Lewin and Rashford to play though the middle if Kane needs a rest / gets injured. 

Saka provides creativity out wide (both sides) and extended cover at LB. With the season he's had he had to go.

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