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1 hour ago, ben_the_beast said:

It's not really though is it. In what world is it ever a straight choice between the two.

Also I'm not sure people are quite aware of just how poor Hughes record now looks.

It really is as simple as that. He says we should not rush to get a manager of Hughes pedigree. it wont happen of course, but he has managed PL teams including us to varyign degrees of success. TM managed once in the PL and got relegated. Was also the worst manager in Celtics history in a two team league.

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3 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

why wouldn't he got a mention given his CV and experience? Been a national team managed 6 Premier League teams.  

I dont normally like chaddys posts, but its spot on.

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4 hours ago, frosty said:

QPR and Southampton are his only failures? He even kept them both up initially, the following half-seasons at both were a disaster though definitely.

It went very stale at Stoke but that was after three good seasons and one average one. He did well there overall.

I mean in terms of those being his only failures I've put them in bold and his win %'s show just how poor. Those are pretty horrific. 

Rovers: 43.6%

Man City: 46.8%

Fulham: 32.6%

QPR: 23.5 win%

Stoke: 35.5%

Southampton: 18.5 win%

His years at Stoke were fairly stable if unspectacular given the money spent. People leaving comments about him bringing in a couple of battlers are just so out of sync with what he has done at every club since Rovers and Man City. Stoke brought in the likes of Imbula £21m, Berahino £13m, Joselu £8m, Kevin Wimmer £18m, Badou Ndiaye?? £14m. Even thinking of Jese Rodriguez brought in for a significant loan fee. The reason I mention him is Jese and the likes of Imbula and Berahino are typical of players who have managed to gain reputations for being bad apples over the years, all whilst at the same time as selling genuine hardened players such as N'zonzi, Robert Huth off the top of my head for peanuts in comparison to their replacements. 

I've not gone into his extremely dodgy and morally suspect dealings at QPR (I do not have evidence of this so it is only on say so from a friend very clued up on QPR and isn't an accusation of legal wrongdoing) who again are players who have carved a reputation for being mercenaries or out for one last payday.

I know you can pick the bad parts of any situation. But the above are some of the reasons in my opinion why he is out of work. I think people look at him with Rose tinted glasses on. Easy to do. We were phenomenal under him and one of my favourite times supporting Rovers. We'd give a bloody nose to anyone. Unfortunately that is in isolation looking at his whole career.

If we did bring him in I'd get right behind him. I'm also not comparing him to Mowbray. My initial comment was replying to someone saying "Would you take Hughes over Mowbray, that's as simple as it gets". When in my opinion. Due to all the above, it's not. Mowbrays time is up. It doesn't mean we shouldn't be looking to bring in the best replacement possible within our means as a club. 

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Hughes hasn't managed at this level yet has he ?

So a bit unfair to write him off because he flopped at a few struggling Prem clubs. He only has himself to blame really as he seems attracted to anything offered as long as it's top tier. 

Maybe his true abilities lie at a club like this where he might be able to almost start from scratch and mould a solid side.  Look at Souness before he came here, ok different era so look at Mowbray before he turned up here. Makes Hughes cv look like Pep.

At the very least i doubt he'd be worse it might turn out a sideways step but at least it's a change. Chance of a new manager bounce and the chance for some of these players to play under a bigger name.

All i pray for at the min is one bloody good season and a genuine good finish position. Sick of excuses and bull, just want to have a real go for once. Not be stuck in a permanent confused experiment.

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26 minutes ago, tomphil said:

Hughes hasn't managed at this level yet has he ?

So a bit unfair to write him off because he flopped at a few struggling Prem clubs. He only has himself to blame really as he seems attracted to anything offered as long as it's top tier. 

If Hughes came in as manager I would absolutely be backing him 100% and judge him purely based on what he was doing in the present. I just think that his record for a long time has been very questionable and there are better options out there. I firmly believe the only reason is mentioned is because he did such a good job here 13 or 14 years ago. 

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23 minutes ago, ben_the_beast said:

If Hughes came in as manager I would absolutely be backing him 100% and judge him purely based on what he was doing in the present. I just think that his record for a long time has been very questionable and there are better options out there. I firmly believe the only reason is mentioned is because he did such a good job here 13 or 14 years ago. 

I get the concerns and all that but i just think we are heading for desperately needing a change for changes sake. I'd feel a lot better if it was Hughes than some of the potential dross the Venky/HSH roulette wheel might serve up.

I presume a few might feel the same even if he wasn't the first name on their lips. 

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5 minutes ago, tomphil said:

I get the concerns and all that but i just think we are heading for desperately needing a change for changes sake. I'd feel a lot better if it was Hughes than some of the potential dross the Venky/HSH roulette wheel might serve up.

I presume a few might feel the same even if he wasn't the first name on their lips. 

Understandable.

Unfortunately I'm an eternal optimist which often leads to my own suffering when things don't pan out. The come down is the hard part. 

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Personally I feel we generally perform better under a manager with a bit about them , Hughes , Souness & Dalglish, compared to the softly softly of Kidd , Roy ,Bower ,Tony etc .

My shout would be someone with a mentally like mentioned, who is respected, focused and has an affection for the club . 

As we will continue to need a manager who is ' hands on ' and oversee the functioning of the club , due to lack of leadership.

I understand these ex great players / managers is a bit old hat now , but hay ho.

Tuguy just for the romance

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The more I think about the situation,I'm starting to fear the best we can hope for is some fudge on Mowbray leaving like him moving to DOF with Johnson as head coach. 

If he isn't sacked before the end of the season, he will be here game 1 next season. Obviously the logical thing would be to change now to give a new manager time. 

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29 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

The more I think about the situation,I'm starting to fear the best we can hope for is some fudge on Mowbray leaving like him moving to DOF with Johnson as head coach. 

If he isn't sacked before the end of the season, he will be here game 1 next season. Obviously the logical thing would be to change now to give a new manager time. 

Mowbray, Venus, Lowe and Benson remaining at the club in any capacity and putting DJ up as some kind of front man is absolute nightmare fuel.

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They need to get away from silly philosophies and midtable mentality. Until the team gets a bit more robust and balanced and there is a real belief around the place then nowt will change.

It's been firmly established now with this regime that second best is ok as long as the stats are ok.  Totally the wrong attitude if you want to get somewhere but those overseeing it i genuinely don't think they do.

By that i mean i think they want to win games and do better than we are but just enough is enough. The risk of going for it and falling short outweighs the risk of just meandering steadily and hoping something goes right.

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Danny Cowley looks to be getting the Portsmouth job. 

They sacked Kenny Jackett despite 4 years of progress and play off attempts with them still in a reasonable position.

Ruthless yet decisive and know what they want.

I think we are a lost cause. I really do. Mowbray needs to go yet there's no clue at the club. Options keep on passing by.

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2 hours ago, JHRover said:

Danny Cowley looks to be getting the Portsmouth job. 

They sacked Kenny Jackett despite 4 years of progress and play off attempts with them still in a reasonable position.

Ruthless yet decisive and know what they want.

I think we are a lost cause. I really do. Mowbray needs to go yet there's no clue at the club. Options keep on passing by.

Kenny Jackett has not succeeded at Portsmouth. The fans have been begging for him to leave for longer than we have Mowbray.

Jackett was in charge before the new, very rich owners came in. They had never sacked a manager before. A lot of fans think this caused a lot of hesitation amongst them.

Anyway. Pompey have been floating in obscurity for a long time and have far better resources than most at that level. Their current form isn't far off what ours is. It wasn't ruthless in the slightest. It would be a challenge to find a Pompey fan who doesn't think he's been an uninspiring failure. I live in the middle of the city and virtually everyone I know supports the club. 

I do agree its depressing to see another potential manager snapped up by another club though.

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Not sure why the Cowleys would go in at Pompey tbh. If they waited around a bit they would get another Championship gig. Ideally here but Venkies either sack 17 managers off in 3 months or keep them here forever. We have the latter at the moment. 

oh to have a CEO with the power and guts to sack off his best mate.

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4 hours ago, JacknOry said:

Not sure why the Cowleys would go in at Pompey tbh. If they waited around a bit they would get another Championship gig. Ideally here but Venkies either sack 17 managers off in 3 months or keep them here forever. We have the latter at the moment. 

oh to have a CEO with the power and guts to sack off his best mate.

Apparently its a deal to the end of the season initially. So may still be available. 

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