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Honestly I'm at a point where I just can't get excited about new signings as long as Mowbray is in charge. Even if the signee appears impressive I already know his impact will be neutered by Mowbray's

Hi all. Would like to thank anyone and everyone who has given my work a read over the last few days. As you can probably tell it took a very long time to do and a lot of late nights around my full tim

Fast forwards 12 months.... 'We lost the quality of Holtby and the goals of Armstrong last summer along with the regular right back and the experience of Johnson.  It's a sad day for the club but

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2 minutes ago, JoeH said:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-9178043/West-Ham-15m-20m-transfer-fee-paid-Ajax-Sebastien-Haller.html

Misread him, the point he was making was how much they'd *actually* get for Haller. I just assumed he'd not left yet from the way it was worded. Apologies for the confusion.

Sounds pretty cut and dry to me - they got less than 15m for him. 

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I've loved having Armstrong and Elliott here this year and part of the reason why I think we underachieved given that quality at that end of the pitch but I don't think either are Prem quality right now. Certainly not starting every week. 

Armstrong takes the plaudits for his goals but his chance conversion rate in this league isn't deadly as stupid as it sounds after scoring nearly 30 goals. He won't get as many chances in the Prem and better keepers, defenders etc. will make the stats even bleaker.  Benrahma ripped this league up, yet to score for West Ham and is more often than not on the bench. Armstrong has about 5 shots per goal compared to Toney and Pukki on 3. Keiffer Moore 2.5, Andre Ayew 2.7

Elliott for his age has been great and I have no doubt will get to the level required but I don't see either getting regular game time at West Ham and Liverpool respectively.

If West Ham started next season with Bowen, Armstrong and Benrahma up front, it wouldn't have too many worried in the Prem but in the Championship we would give them the trophy on day 1.

Toney on the other hand is a different type of player who I do think could do a job for a club like West Ham and would cost similar money. Not ahead of Antonio but given their likely Champions League commitments will need some other options. 

I think Armstrong will either return to Newcastle or stay put. I think Elliott will go out on loan but to another club in the Prem e.g. Norwich.

The good news for us is at least the last few weeks would have boosted his price tag after that slight drop in goals per game.

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1 hour ago, Southside Rover said:

I've loved having Armstrong and Elliott here this year and part of the reason why I think we underachieved given that quality at that end of the pitch but I don't think either are Prem quality right now. Certainly not starting every week. 

Armstrong takes the plaudits for his goals but his chance conversion rate in this league isn't deadly as stupid as it sounds after scoring nearly 30 goals. He won't get as many chances in the Prem and better keepers, defenders etc. will make the stats even bleaker.  Benrahma ripped this league up, yet to score for West Ham and is more often than not on the bench. Armstrong has about 5 shots per goal compared to Toney and Pukki on 3. Keiffer Moore 2.5, Andre Ayew 2.7

Elliott for his age has been great and I have no doubt will get to the level required but I don't see either getting regular game time at West Ham and Liverpool respectively.

If West Ham started next season with Bowen, Armstrong and Benrahma up front, it wouldn't have too many worried in the Prem but in the Championship we would give them the trophy on day 1.

Toney on the other hand is a different type of player who I do think could do a job for a club like West Ham and would cost similar money. Not ahead of Antonio but given their likely Champions League commitments will need some other options. 

I think Armstrong will either return to Newcastle or stay put. I think Elliott will go out on loan but to another club in the Prem e.g. Norwich.

The good news for us is at least the last few weeks would have boosted his price tag after that slight drop in goals per game.

I agree that PL interest in Armstrong will be relatively low. I think there are only 3-4 clubs up there that might be interested in him - Newcastle, Brighton, West Ham - the rest I just can't see it

I think to date there has been zero serious interest in him. I think Mowbray is well aware of this hence his shameless attempts in the media to drive up interest.

The problem we are going to have is that when the penny drops that PL interest isn't really there, Rovers want/need money and Armstrong wants out because he doesn't want to waste his career away going nowhere - then you will end up with all sorts of clubs making cheeky enquiries and testing the water - the likes of Stoke, Forest, Fulham - Championship sides with a few quid behind them - then it becomes even worse than losing him to a top flight club because he'll go to someone who we should be finishing above and do the business.

 

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2 hours ago, J*B said:

Sounds pretty cut and dry to me - they got less than 15m for him. 

Seemingly. Meaning their bid, if they make one, won't be as high as some would hope I don't imagine.

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7 hours ago, Meesh said:

I'll don my tin hat, but I I've never been that impressed by Nyambe. I think he's OK, but he offers no end product going forward, and I think he's quite suspect in defence.

OK, I'm ready for my beating now!

Wait til you see what replaces him next season

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11 hours ago, Meesh said:

I'll don my tin hat, but I I've never been that impressed by Nyambe. I think he's OK, but he offers no end product going forward, and I think he's quite suspect in defence.

OK, I'm ready for my beating now!

He’s not great. The love in for Nyambe is because of his contract ending...if you watch and understand football which we all do then you have to put your hand on your heart and accept that he’s pretty average.

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2 hours ago, Paul Mani said:

He’s not great. The love in for Nyambe is because of his contract ending...if you watch and understand football which we all do then you have to put your hand on your heart and accept that he’s pretty average.

Nyambe is decent and could still improve as a right back, not a bloody wing back or whatever Mowbray does.  

The main clamour for Nyambe wasn't because he is amazing, it's because he is  better there than Bennett - there wasn't anyone else who could play there till JRC hobbled up.

It's a similar situation at Left back.  This Pickering lad won't have to be amazing to look like a worldy there after Bell/Douglas.

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9 minutes ago, Wing Wizard Windy Miller said:

Nyambe is decent and could still improve as a right back, not a bloody wing back or whatever Mowbray does.  

The main clamour for Nyambe wasn't because he is amazing, it's because he is  better there than Bennett - there wasn't anyone else who could play there till JRC hobbled up.

It's a similar situation at Left back.  This Pickering lad won't have to be amazing to look like a worldy there after Bell/Douglas.

I agree to a certain extent though I think the clamour is more to do with people’s dislike of the current regime (The Coventrio). A young player (with potential) who is running his contract down is a decent stick with which to beat them with. But in order to do so, you have to make him out to be the new Cafu!! Haha....I understand that completely but I don’t think there’s a top player in Nyambe. His relative success imo is borne out of his physical attributes because his ability (both defensively and offensively) is average and his positioning even worse.

I see much more potential in the likes of JRC, Butterworth (If he can get fit), Buckley, Wharton, Brereton and Davenport

Id also like to see some more of Pike, McBride and Carter next season.

As a model with a mid level budget in the Championship, I would like to see us spend a little more on the first 11 and then strip out the fat between the first 11 and these promising young players...the Holtbys, Evans, Bennett’s, Williams types.

We have a great chance this summer to do exactly that. Hope we don’t buy a load more squad fillers.

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1 hour ago, Paul Mani said:

I agree to a certain extent though I think the clamour is more to do with people’s dislike of the current regime (The Coventrio). A young player (with potential) who is running his contract down is a decent stick with which to beat them with. But in order to do so, you have to make him out to be the new Cafu!! Haha....I understand that completely but I don’t think there’s a top player in Nyambe. His relative success imo is borne out of his physical attributes because his ability (both defensively and offensively) is average and his positioning even worse.

I see much more potential in the likes of JRC, Butterworth (If he can get fit), Buckley, Wharton, Brereton and Davenport

Id also like to see some more of Pike, McBride and Carter next season.

As a model with a mid level budget in the Championship, I would like to see us spend a little more on the first 11 and then strip out the fat between the first 11 and these promising young players...the Holtbys, Evans, Bennett’s, Williams types.

We have a great chance this summer to do exactly that. Hope we don’t buy a load more squad fillers.

Nothing to do with letting another of our academy graduates leave for peanuts ala Raya? Remember the exact same argument was used when he left and now he is on to bigger and better things. He got better coaching away from rovers and has been linked to several big clubs. Our manager and coaches are sub standard clearly and I'm sure just like Raya, nyambe will do better once he gets quality guidance. Our academy should not be about investing years and money into players just to let them leave for free, with us getting well below market value, again ala Raya. He's not the best, but with one flank already exposed, we don't need our right becoming like our left.

It would be nice to see our kids being brought through, but our management has shown they are awful at bringing through kids. TM has signed a number of them and the majority haven't worked out. This summer does represent opportunities, but opportunities can only be seized by competent hands. What are the hands steering the good ship rovers like?

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53 minutes ago, Ulrich said:

Nothing to do with letting another of our academy graduates leave for peanuts ala Raya? Remember the exact same argument was used when he left and now he is on to bigger and better things. He got better coaching away from rovers and has been linked to several big clubs. Our manager and coaches are sub standard clearly and I'm sure just like Raya, nyambe will do better once he gets quality guidance. Our academy should not be about investing years and money into players just to let them leave for free, with us getting well below market value, again ala Raya. He's not the best, but with one flank already exposed, we don't need our right becoming like our left.

It would be nice to see our kids being brought through, but our management has shown they are awful at bringing through kids. TM has signed a number of them and the majority haven't worked out. This summer does represent opportunities, but opportunities can only be seized by competent hands. What are the hands steering the good ship rovers like?

Great post, but I disagree on Nyambe. Let’s see.

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Selling or letting go good academy graduates on the cheap or at end of contract isn't the Brentford model or what the academy is there for.

He could be the 3rd one now under Mowbrays tenure and it isn't a good look.  Say what you want about them individually but all were/are good enough to form part of a good squad. Non have returned big money back to justify their development.

 

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38 minutes ago, Paul Mani said:

Great post, but I disagree on Nyambe. Let’s see.

He’s got great pace, good athleticism and physical size, and decent defensive ability. You’d think he could make a good Champ level centre back in the fullness of time. He hasn’t and probably won’t because his heading ability isn’t up to the job.

Most of us realised that years ago when he first came into the team. Why is that still the case now ? Why hasn’t it been worked on. Why has inability to jump and keep his eyes open at the same time been improved upon ?

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1 minute ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

He’s got great pace, good athleticism and physical size, and decent defensive ability. You’d think he could make a good Champ level centre back in the fullness of time. He hasn’t and probably won’t because his heading ability isn’t up to the job.

Most of us realised that years ago when he first came into the team. Why is that still the case now ? Why hasn’t it been worked on. Why has inability to jump and keep his eyes open at the same time been improved upon ?

Bad coaching?  Nothing wrong with Nyambe,  wasted here with this shit show of a coaching set up.

Good luck to him on his next move.  Whilst we flounder with this cock in charge.

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9 hours ago, Paul Mani said:

He’s not great. The love in for Nyambe is because of his contract ending...if you watch and understand football which we all do then you have to put your hand on your heart and accept that he’s pretty average.

Watch and understand football from the man who said Buckley is a £10 Million player and that after a defeat  3-1 defeat at Watford that he was 'absolutely sure we will finish in the top 6'. So please spare us your condescending comments Mr Expert.

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2 minutes ago, Ewood Ace said:

Watch and understand football from the man who said Buckley is a £10 Million player and that after a defeat after a 3-1 defeat at Watford that he was 'absolutely sure we will finish in the top 6'. So please spare us your condescending comments Mr Expert.

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23 minutes ago, Lucimo said:

I'm sure I read he's had a bad run of injuries this season, so sounds like a proper Mowbray signing 

Also surprisingly no teeside link , but once worked in the cafe at a Debenhams (according to wiki) so can handle a nice bit of lemon drizzle ;)

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4 hours ago, Wing Wizard Windy Miller said:

Nyambe is decent and could still improve as a right back, not a bloody wing back or whatever Mowbray does.  

The main clamour for Nyambe wasn't because he is amazing, it's because he is  better there than Bennett - there wasn't anyone else who could play there till JRC hobbled up.

It's a similar situation at Left back.  This Pickering lad won't have to be amazing to look like a worldy there after Bell/Douglas.

I'd say all the very best full-backs these days have elements of the wing back about them, Alexander-Arnold and Robertson being perfect examples. Attacking ability being just as important as their defensive skills. Full back feels like a very different proposition these days and whilst Nyambe is okay I don't ever see him being top drawer.

 Should we keep him? Am I bovvered? Not sure I am truth be told.  

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4 minutes ago, yeti-dog said:

I'd say all the very best full-backs these days have elements of the wing back about them, Alexander-Arnold and Robertson being perfect examples. Attacking ability being just as important as their defensive skills. Full back feels like a very different proposition these days and whilst Nyambe is okay I don't ever see him being top drawer.

 Should we keep him? Am I bovvered? Not sure I am truth be told.  

I look at it like this - are we likely to replace him with a better player ? If as I suspect the answer is no we aren’t, we need to keep him.

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5 hours ago, Paul Mani said:

I agree to a certain extent though I think the clamour is more to do with people’s dislike of the current regime (The Coventrio). A young player (with potential) who is running his contract down is a decent stick with which to beat them with. But in order to do so, you have to make him out to be the new Cafu!! Haha....I understand that completely but I don’t think there’s a top player in Nyambe. His relative success imo is borne out of his physical attributes because his ability (both defensively and offensively) is average and his positioning even worse.

I see much more potential in the likes of JRC, Butterworth (If he can get fit), Buckley, Wharton, Brereton and Davenport

Id also like to see some more of Pike, McBride and Carter next season.

As a model with a mid level budget in the Championship, I would like to see us spend a little more on the first 11 and then strip out the fat between the first 11 and these promising young players...the Holtbys, Evans, Bennett’s, Williams types.

We have a great chance this summer to do exactly that. Hope we don’t buy a load more squad fillers.

I disagree completely on Nyambe. I think he's as good as we could ever hope to get as a Championship Club, any replacement will be an inevitable downgrade and the final kick in the nuts will be the relative peanuts we'll get for him thanks to the appalling way in which Mowbray has treated him.

I agree completely with your comment about spending more on the first X1 and losing the expensive dross squad filling.

One possible positive is we have a great chance to do that this summer ......... but only under a new manager with a completely new outlook you'd imagine.

Otherwise we could see new deals for the likes of Johnson and Bennett and a cushy role for Stewie somewhere within the Club in an alleged coaching capacity.

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